Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[timetotipthescales]

Is it just me, or do a lot of Robin players also enjoy playing as Ness?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Ness is somewhat quicker than Robin at running, and has those lovely PK Fire combos, such as we do Arcfire combos; not to mention, dat backthrow.

 

[False Sense]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Ness is somewhat quicker than Robin at running, and has those lovely PK Fire combos, such as we do Arcfire combos; not to mention, dat backthrow.

They do have some notable similarities, after all: Arcfire/Pk Fire, a healing move, projectiles, and lots of kill moves. Not to mention they're both magic/psychic RPG protagonists.

But Robin's cooler.

 

[LIQUID12A]

But Robin's cooler.

Nothing beats this.

 

[The_Cardinal]

Finally had a decent vs match online. The mind games in that match up is real yo. Knowing when to chuck arcfire and what level of thunder to use, or approach became a mini-game in it of itself. It was great.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Is it just me, or do a lot of Robin players also enjoy playing as Ness?

That's because Ness is the best.

In all seriousness, part of the reason I gravitated to Robin was that certain aspects of her made me think of Lucas. Arcfire acting like PK Fire, Nosferatu sort of being like PSI Magnet, something about the Levin Sword makes me think of Lucas' smashes... So it'd make sense I'd like Ness too, since he absorbed aspects of Lucas and is the character Lucas took moves from in the first place.

They do have some notable similarities, after all: Arcfire/Pk Fire, a healing move, projectiles, and lots of kill moves. Not to mention they're both magic/psychic RPG protagonists.

But Robin's cooler.

I am inclined to agree. In fact, I think I like Robin more than Lucas.

Moral of the story- your main being cut isn't the end of the world.

I still miss PK Thunder Smash Ball sniping and prefer Luca's final smash (and Ness's new version) to Chrom the Hard-To-Aim, though.

 

[Raziek]

I can only hope you people with 10-15 characters listed don't try to play that many in tournament.

You know who I play in Smash 4? Casuals or tournament, it's alone.

 

[False Sense]

I can only hope you people with 10-15 characters listed don't try to play that many in tournament.

You know who I play in Smash 4? Casuals or tournament, it's alone.

Words of wisdom, indeed.

It's certainly possible to play multiple characters at once, but by doing so, you're forced to distribute time and practice to each of them, increasing the number of characters you can play, but lowering your overall skill level with those characters. It's a "jack of all trades, master of none" situation.

That's partially why I haven't explored many characters outside of Robin myself; becoming the best Robin player I can be is my top priority. Anything else will have to wait.

By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how has playing as Robin (and exclusively Robin) in tournaments worked out for you so far?

 

[Raziek]

By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how has playing as Robin (and exclusively Robin) in tournaments worked out for you so far?

Well, for the most part.

First event we had was a round robin where I didn't drop a set. I credit that mostly to having an extra 2 weeks with the game, since I imported, but nobody else in my region did.

Second event was also round robin. I got second at that one, dropping a set only to our Diddy player. (I was lacking experience with the matchup at that point).

Third event was a ~30-man Double-elim bracket. Lost to Croi's Lucario in Winner's (he went on to get 1st), and to our Shaft (the Diddy) in Loser's to get 4th place.

4th was a house tournament at my place on an early Wii U copy Croi obtained through Nintendo of Canada. Got 2nd of 8, losing to Croi twice.

5th event (launch tournament) I got.... 4th again, I think. Lost to Croi in Winner's bracket (he won the tournament), then to Drake, who plays ROB/Rosalina (this was pre-nerf), in loser's bracket.

Overall, I haven't found a match-up yet that I think we can't win. I've beaten our Sheik/Mii Brawler player both times I've played him, though one was a ****-up on his part. Diddy I think is doable, but extremely difficult.

Losing to Croi frequently irks me, because the matches are always close and I know I can win, but Lucario is extremely frustrating to fight. He and I were frequently in Grand Finals in our Brawl metagame (playing Marth vs. Wario), so I doesn't surprise me that our rivalry has continued like it has.

That said, I'm confident Robin can be solo mained. Sheik and Diddy are the major roadblocks that you HAVE to learn, but once you've done that I think she's completely viable.

As it stands, I have made a commitment to myself to stay 100% Robin until at minimum the end of February before I consider exploring other characters for tournament play. I have no plans to break that commitment.

 

[False Sense]

Overall, I haven't found a match-up yet that I think we can't win. I've beaten our Sheik/Mii Brawler player both times I've played him, though one was a ****-up on his part. Diddy I think is doable, but extremely difficult.

Losing to Croi frequently irks me, because the matches are always close and I know I can win, but Lucario is extremely frustrating to fight. He and I were frequently in Grand Finals in our Brawl metagame (playing Marth vs. Wario), so I doesn't surprise me that our rivalry has continued like it has.

That said, I'm confident Robin can be solo mained. Sheik and Diddy are the major roadblocks that you HAVE to learn, but once you've done that I think she's completely viable.

As it stands, I have made a commitment to myself to stay 100% Robin until at minimum the end of February before I consider exploring other characters for tournament play. I have no plans to break that commitment.

That's good to hear.

In regards to Robin having no impossible match-ups, I have to agree. In my (admittedly limited) competitive experience with Robin, there have been plenty of times when I went up against a character that seemed nearly impossible to beat at first. Of course, learning the match-up is key; once you understand how a certain character works, it's just a matter of reading their movements and acting accordingly. What sets Robin apart in this regard is just how versatile he/she is; with a wide variety of projectiles, traps, good punishing moves and the like, Robin has the tools to handle a plethora of different match-ups. Of course, some match-ups are more favorable than others (big, slow characters are typically easier for Robin to handle than small, swift characters), but I don't think any of them are completely hopeless for Robin. And of course, there's still so much for us to learn about this game and its characters. For a complex character like Robin, there's plenty of potential for new tactics that can even the odds of those match-ups.

 

[The_Cardinal]

That said, I'm confident Robin can be solo mained. Sheik and Diddy are the major roadblocks that you HAVE to learn, but once you've done that I think she's completely viable.

I completely agree. I always felt that people kind of exaggerated the Robin and Sheik match-up, especially during the first month of the game. I mean, it's still an annoying match-up, but nowhere near bad as some people were making it. Now with the patch, Sheik takes EVEN LONGER to ko so the match-up is very doable as long as Robin is patient.

Diddy, however, is a problem but that is probably a match-up that will just take a bit longer to learn for many players. Besides, Diddy is a major roadblock for most characters overall so its not like that's a problem unique to Robin.

 

[Shaymikyu]

I can only hope you people with 10-15 characters listed don't try to play that many in tournament.

You know who I play in Smash 4? Casuals or tournament, it's alone.

I have yet to participate in a serious tournament, but when I fight more seriously and not for kicks, it's pretty much solely and maybe sometimes .

 

[Célja]

So I just got back from a little local Smash 4 tourney and got 3rd place with solo

I'm really happy because this is by far the best I've ever placed in any Smash game ever, and I did it with my Robin no less. A couple of my sets actually got recorded, so once they come up online I'll post them on these boards so you guys can look over what I can improve on. I know I screwed up on several things, but it's just stuff I need to work on to improve myself. Despite me choking in Losers Finals, I'm still super happy with how I played, though next time I'm gonna do better.

Turnout was only 21 people with a 2$ entry fee, but actually making it to Winner's Finals made me really proud of myself. Hot damn I don't care if this was a small thing, I feel so hyped for making top three.

 

[Raziek]

Post vids when/if you can, and I can critique.

Congrats on your placing!

 

[Deleted member]

This is a random request, but those who main Robin as well, if anyone is up for this, will you fight level 9 CPU Marth in a 2 stock match and post your results?

I'm more or less curious how other people fair as Robin against this CPU as he's given me issues since launch. The CPU that is.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Looking good.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

They do have some notable similarities, after all: Arcfire/Pk Fire, a healing move, projectiles, and lots of kill moves. Not to mention they're both magic/psychic RPG protagonists.

But Robin's cooler.

How interesting as this reminds me of meeting one very good Smash-player who I lost to a lot until getting my cool back and we had Ness VS Robin-face off. The player attempted to use PSI Magnet to absorb Robin's spells, which I actually started to fake out to use in order to gain an edge. Worked pretty well. (PSI Magnet -> Dash Attack).

Mind you, she was very good.

Finally had a decent vs match online. The mind games in that match up is real yo. Knowing when to chuck arcfire and what level of thunder to use, or approach became a mini-game in it of itself. It was great.

Oh man, these matches can be intense. I still won last two of these however, but it was quite close match.

Also I got a Marth-Amiibo~

 

[Robertman2]

How interesting as this reminds me of meeting one very good Smash-player who I lost to a lot until getting my cool back and we had Ness VS Robin-face off. The player attempted to use PSI Magnet to absorb Robin's spells, which I actually started to fake out to use in order to gain an edge. Worked pretty well. (PSI Magnet -> Dash Attack).

Mind you, she was very good.


Oh man, these matches can be intense. I still won last two of these however, but it was quite close match.

Also I got a Marth-Amiibo~

I have a Marth amiibo too! I named it not Lucina

 

[LIQUID12A]

http://smashboards.com/threads/smashboards-guide-contest-vote-here.383246/

Both mine and @Ultimastrike's guides are among the nominees.

 

[CitationNeeded]

This is a random request, but those who main Robin as well, if anyone is up for this, will you fight level 9 CPU Marth in a 2 stock match and post your results?

I'm more or less curious how other people fair as Robin against this CPU as he's given me issues since launch. The CPU that is.

Playing on 3DS version as I have no Wii U yet. I beat him 2 KOs to 1 on Battlefield. I dealt 276 damage to his 193.

CPU suddenly got a lot better after KOing him once, I absolutely bodied him on the first stock and he performed a lot better thereafter.

Characters with counters are BS to fight as high-level CPUs anyways, they blatantly input read with their perfect counter timing.

 

[False Sense]

This is a random request, but those who main Robin as well, if anyone is up for this, will you fight level 9 CPU Marth in a 2 stock match and post your results?

I'm more or less curious how other people fair as Robin against this CPU as he's given me issues since launch. The CPU that is.

Easy victory. Didn't lose a stock, only took about 30%.

CPU's aren't very difficult for me to deal with. They don't compare to actual human players.

 

[Deleted member]

Easy victory. Didn't lose a stock, only took about 30%.

CPU's aren't very difficult for me to deal with. They don't compare to actual human players.

This.

Once you get used to how the computer's algorithm functions, they're quite easy to beat. If you don't go 100% aggressive all the time it's pretty simple because a lot of how a computer wins is by using the inhuman reactions it can pull in response to your actions.

One time I started a match against a level 9 Greninja, for the first 30 seconds I didn't move and the computer sat at the other end of the stage trying to hit me with uncharged Water Shurikens, which expired before they reached me.

In fact if you just sit and watch a computer, a lot of CPU's do some sort of Double Jump Dair or other predictable approach, if they have projectiles they will typically spam them.

Because they have some algorithm that they have to follow it becomes quite easy to predict them.

For example at low percents, 95% of the time if I attempt to connect with Link's first jab, the computer will shield and attempt to roll behind me, at which point they eat an Up Tilt.

Also I find it very easy to edgeguard them.

I typically don't lose a stock if I'm playing against a CPU.

 

[False Sense]

I just played a For Glory match against a Ganondorf player. I completely prevented him from approaching with Arcfire and Thunder spells. He only hit me once.

Robin can be really good against big, slow characters like that.

 

[Pazzo.]

Bruce Lee ftw.

I can't limit myself to one at any time, as I enjoy having a few more movee than 'punches', but for the time, I'm only sticking with , , and .

 

[Drakonis]

I can only hope you people with 10-15 characters listed don't try to play that many in tournament.

You know who I play in Smash 4? Casuals or tournament, it's alone.

If I'm playing 100% serious, it's Robin all the way. Unless I feel like I might be able to trip up my enemy by switching to another character, but that's rarely the case.

Currently have a leek and cheese soup cooking on the stove. :3
No that's no inuendo or anything, I'm just really looking forward to it.

 

[Pazzo.]

I played a few For Glory matches just now.

Robin is still a boss, and Luigi just got promoted to No. 1 Troll with Roll -> Super Jump Shoruken.

 

[Mr. Johan]

I can only hope you people with 10-15 characters listed don't try to play that many in tournament.

:3

Well in my case, is for nostalgia and when I really want to keep going in tournament plus pride after people kept asking where my Sonic was, is for those with very obvious patterns and I just want the satisfaction of killing at 40%, and is because my alterego is secretly actually Nairo, honest.

 

[Raziek]

Ganon is probably the matchup we win the hardest.

That one is just BOOTYCHEEKS for him.

 

[Deleted member]

Easy victory. Didn't lose a stock, only took about 30%.

CPU's aren't very difficult for me to deal with. They don't compare to actual human players.

For the record, was this 3DS or Wii U?

 

[Kenith]

For the record, was this 3DS or Wii U?

Yeah, Wii U CPUs are for some reason a lot more crafty than the ones on 3DS.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, Wii U CPUs are for some reason a lot more crafty than the ones on 3DS.

Yeah, like I've only played the demo of 3DS but I still haven't and I tested them out and they are pretty ruthless by comparison on Wii U. Haha.

The characters with counter on Level 9 CPU on Wii U tend to time that counter so expertly you have to really avoid melee attacks unless there is a real opening cause they process that the second you hit the C stick.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah, like I've only played the demo of 3DS but I still haven't and I tested them out and they are pretty ruthless by comparison on Wii U. Haha.
The characters with counter on Level 9 CPU on Wii U tend to time that counter so expertly you have to really avoid melee attacks unless there is a real opening cause they process that the second you hit the C stick.

Not to mention they never die in Team Battles.

"ComputerSHARE STOCKDefeated"

 

[False Sense]

For the record, was this 3DS or Wii U?

3DS.

 

[Shaymikyu]

So, I'm going through more characters as I work on the All Star trophies, and while some have surprised me ( and ), and remain at the top without a second thought. I just feel so natural with both. Both have a nice range of projectiles and physical attacks. has more projectiles, but is so quick it makes up for it. If I had to choose only one, though? , of course.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Found the best FEA personal ever.

 

[Raziek]

Though hilarious, I have to remove that image due to the.... album cover.

 

[Weeman]

Oh great now i want know what that image was

 

[Kenith]

I have the privilege of seeing the unadulterated image in all it's glory.
It was not that interesting.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I was indifferent to the image. Just a frowning Anna.

 

[Pazzo.]

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles? I want to gift it this Christmas.

 

[Kenith]

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles? I want to gift it this Christmas.

Got a ridiculous sum of money?