Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Amew64]

My brother is maining Little Mac... so I'm going to see a lot of him...

Think of it as getting to know your enemy. That was one of Sun Tzu's things, right?

 

[Weeman]

My brother is maining Little Mac... so I'm going to see a lot of him...

Yeah, i'm maining Falcon, wich is probably one of the characters that has the most trouble approaching him too.

 

[False Sense]

Well, I just finished doing over 100 For Glory 1 on 1 matches, almost exclusively with Robin, and I've managed to get just a little over a 70% win rate (is that decent?). After all that, I have to say that I love how Robin plays. The mix of magic and swordplay is a potent combination, giving Robin some very powerful and versatile projectiles while also giving him/her some decent range, combo abilities, and incredible power. With all the tools he/she has in his/her arsenal, it's not at all difficult for Robin to rack up damage and send the opponents flying. Not to mention the versatility of his/her moves allows Robin to even fare decently in poor match ups. Overall, I think Robin is quite an effective character, and I can't wait to see what others do with his/her potential.

Oh, I also discovered a neat trick for using Nosferatu. Often times when you get sent off the stage, the opponent will stand by the edge and try to hit you right after you get back up. That means that if you do a short jump from the ledge, you'll usually be in a good position to use Nosferatu and recover some health. Not a bad surprise tactic, I think.

 

[~Radiance~]

tfw you play against a friend you always beat and they play only old characters and wreck your robin. sad days here

 

[Cactusblah]

I'm having trouble doing exactly what I want with aerials. Online lag makes Robin incredibly difficult for me to play. It's not even worth trying to use aerials because I just get punished every single time and lose.

 

[Raziek]

So this happened to me earlier:

http://gfycat.com/WickedFarawayBlesbok#

Beware reflectors.

 

[Amew64]

There is no pain like getting a Thoron reflected back at you.

 

[IceAnt573]

I'm not sure if I already screwed up my circle pad, but it feels way too stiff when trying to do a smash attack. Especially, a forward smash to the right.

 

[Hong]

Ah, reflected Elwind. Suppose that's a problem with having a projectile as part of a recovery.

 

[Fire Tactician]

So this happened to me earlier:

http://gfycat.com/WickedFarawayBlesbok#

Beware reflectors.

I love how Lucina is just standing there like she has no idea what to do with herself.

 

[Kenith]

So, like, Robin's fun, guys.
Unfortunately, Robin is not a character I can use effectively on the 3DS version, it seems.

 

[LordTakeo]

So, I guess I finally have decided, I'll main Shulk&Link in 3ds, and Robin+Weegee in WiiU, since after a whole day after frustrating aerials, I can't look at my wrecked statistic... 20/40 is painful.

Still gonna stick around here, just because I don't main him, doesn't mean I don't enjoy sucking peoples life out. <3

 

[Jae]

I'm not a big fan of fighting Little Macs when using Robin...

 

[Hong]

Kind of random and unrelated to the current discussion...

But I see a whole lot of new people coming onto these character forums, Robin included. They come on here asking for advice about how to overcome their problem match-ups. We all have them.

Which is 100% what you should do.

But another bit of advice I have for people is to spend some time on the other end of the fortress walls. If a character gives you trouble, go onto their forum. Go listen in on their experiences. If you know someone who plays that character, talk to them. Find out what they hate, what technology they are developing against you, what they think their greatest strengths and weaknesses are.

Gosh. When I go to events and stuff, I am a rather shameless eavesdropper. The best way you can learn a matchup can come from the knowledge and perspective of the enemy.

[/randomrambling]

Edit - I said it was unrelated to the current discussion, but @ Jae posted about MU discussion just as I did.

So, I guess I finally have decided, I'll main Shulk&Link in 3ds, and Robin+Weegee in WiiU, since after a whole day after frustrating aerials, I can't look at my wrecked statistic... 20/40 is painful.

Still gonna stick around here, just because I don't main him, doesn't mean I don't enjoy sucking peoples life out. <3

No offence to the 3DS, but I'm going to be a whole lot happier with a Gamecube controller in my hands again.

No, baby! You did nothing wrong! It... It's just not the same! I'll still play you to get all the trophies... But when the Wii U version comes out, I'm afraid we'll... we'll have to be just friends...

 

[Shaymikyu]

I'll probably play the 3DS version more simply because it's easier to have with me up at school, but I'm very excited to see the Wii U version. I just hope it has a cool unique 1 player mode. Plus, it'll be easier to do multiplayer with, which is always the best part of Smash for me.

 

[Reila]

I will be playing both versions. Unless the online is MUCH better in the Wii U version, which I really doubt will be the case. Anyways, I guess Robin would be much easier to play with a c-stick, but unless you can use the Wii U Gamepad's right stick as a c-stick, then I will stick playing the game without one.

 

[LordTakeo]

I will be playing both versions. Unless the online is MUCH better in the Wii U version, which I really doubt will be the case. Anyways, I guess Robin would be much easier to play with a c-stick, but unless you can use the Wii U Gamepad's right stick as a c-stick, then I will stick playing the game without one.

Or your could use this Gamecube adapter thingy for the WiiU, which will even come in a bundle.

 

[Reila]

Or your could use this Gamecube adapter thingy for the WiiU, which will even come in a bundle.

Except I don't want to use a Gamecube Controller? I want to play with the Gamepad. Can I? Please? Thank you.

 

[redfeatherraven]

GameCube controller is love, GameCube controller is life.

I could see working with the gamepad over it for funsies, but I'm a bit baffled otherwise - and, as such, genuinely curious. What's your reasoning for gamepad play?

 

[LordTakeo]

Except I don't want to use a Gamecube Controller? I want to play with the Gamepad. Can I? Please? Thank you.

And from what should I know that? x.X
Just said a possibility. And I don't really know why the right stick shouldn't be able to function as C-stick!

 

[Tuvillo]

I don't want to use the Gamecube controller because it's too mainstream D:

I've been practicing Project M for like a year with Classic Controller Pro, ever since Nintendo declared dropping Gamecube support for the Wii U... Then they pull this stuff.

 

[Kenith]

The GameCube Adapter is a bit disappointing, actually.
Mainly because I wanted them to make a remade GameCube controller with shoulder bumpers.
Whatever, though. Vanilla GCN controls are more than enough for me to be comfortable to play Smash.

 

[~Radiance~]

So after losing to a friend earlier as robin I went pika and realized he plays almost the same as in brawl, and ended up taking back all of those loses in a heartbeat. Looks like the shirt is real now, since pika robin is probably where ima be at. I also admit that I do not like playing robin on 3ds version, the gc just seems so perfect for him/her since you can space those levins easier and can make better use of c stick to smash levins out, not to mention an easier time all around cuz **** these subpar controls

 

[Gabukin]

So recently I've been grinding For Glory 1vs1 with Robin and sadly, I've been losing a good majority of the games I've played using him. I can't combo with him, I can't space and Zone Properly with him, I just can't do anything right using him.
I don't know what I was thinking when I said I wanted to be a robin main. He/She is Just way to difficult for me to use.
I'm Just not really feeling it with him anymore. Just don't think I've got what it takes to be a robin player.

 

[Raziek]

So recently I've been grinding For Glory 1vs1 with Robin and sadly, I've been losing a good majority of the games I've played using him. I can't combo with him, I can't space and Zone Properly with him, I just can't do anything right using him.
I don't know what I was thinking when I said I wanted to be a robin main. He/She is Just way to difficult for me to use.
I'm Just not really feeling it with him anymore. Just don't think I've got what it takes to be a robin player.

Merged this post into the social, as it doesn't warrant its own thread.

 

[Gabukin]

Merged this post into the social, as it doesn't warrant its own thread.

I didn't really know where else to post it so I made my own thread so thanks for merging it.

 

[trexsays]

I'm also having similar troubles to Gabukin. I just don't know what to do while playing with Robin most of the times. He feels like he's a jack of all trades but no specialty in any area. Would it be better for me to just play/practice with Robin more or start researching combos before playing?

 

[Kenith]

When I play Robin I like to camp. I even have a campfire in the form of Arcfire!
...I am not very skilled at this game.

 

[Robertman2]

I really, really wish I didn't suck with right now. Soon.

 

[Jae]

Aerial Arcfires are like the best thing since canned bread. Is it weird that I rarely ever use Nosferatu in my Smash battles?

 

[Robertman2]

Aerial Arcfires are like the best thing since canned bread. Is it weird that I rarely ever use Nosferatu in my Smash battles?

I never really use it either.

 

[Mr. Johan]

I use Arcfire mainly for setting the pace of the match and for punishes. I also use Thoron a lot for kills, and Elthunder for quick gtfo tools. I hardly use ArcThunder.

I think I just prefer being up close and bashing their skulls in with Levin aerials, honestly. :v

 

[LIQUID12A]

Arcfire is the best stationary projectile I've ever seen since Isaac Clarke's stupidly broken mine.

 

[AustarusIV]

What I usually do against players is use Arcfire to stop them in their paths before hitting them with a dash attack. If they're sent flying in the air or off the platform to the left or right, that's when I use my Levin Sword to KO them. Otherwise, I just juggle them with the bronze sword.

The Thunder spells other than Thoron are also surprisingly useful. I didn't think Arcthunder would have its uses, but it works as a decent zoning projectile whenever I use it against players off the platform.

I still haven't really used Nosferatu yet. It hasn't helped me in any online matches yet, and you could only use it up to four times I believe.

 

[Mr. Johan]

It's such a good thing Arcfire has virtually no knockack at any point until the final hit.

It makes Arcfire -> Levin Uair kills a thing with the proper positioning. I got 6 of those in For Glory last night and I was all <3 about it.

 

[False Sense]

One thing you can try with Arcthunder is using it at close range. Like Arcfire, Arcthunder has the effect of dealing multiple hits to the opponent, keeping them in place for a brief period of time. Unlike Arcfire, though, you can fire it much more quickly and hit opponents directly in front of you. By using it up close, you can catch the opponent off guard and quickly hit them with a Levin Sword strike while they're trapped.

 

[PK Gaming]

I'm also having similar troubles to Gabukin. I just don't know what to do while playing with Robin most of the times. He feels like he's a jack of all trades but no specialty in any area. Would it be better for me to just play/practice with Robin more or start researching combos before playing?

So recently I've been grinding For Glory 1vs1 with Robin and sadly, I've been losing a good majority of the games I've played using him. I can't combo with him, I can't space and Zone Properly with him, I just can't do anything right using him.
I don't know what I was thinking when I said I wanted to be a robin main. He/She is Just way to difficult for me to use.
I'm Just not really feeling it with him anymore. Just don't think I've got what it takes to be a robin player.

Patience and defensive play is key. Robin is a very precise character, so poor move choices can cause you to eat a lot of damage. Breaking your Levin Sword early on can be problematic when your opponent is in KO range as well, so take care not to spam it (but don't use it sparingly either-Balance is key). The thunder tome is the perfect tool draw the opponent to you, so you can use it to manipulate their movements . Nosferatu is a good punishing tool when you're at high %, but only use it if you're fairly comfortable with it, because you can get punished pretty badly. Robin's jab is very fast and knocks the opponent away (fire tomb route), use it when you're getting pressured. Arcfire controls space, but it has significant cool down. Don't use it unless you know your opponent can't punish you. Try to incorporate the new roll cancel grab into your game, as it significantly improves Robin's grab range.

Turn tap jump off and jump with x. Short hops are a pain with tap jump.

 

[AustarusIV]

One thing you can try with Arcthunder is using it at close range. Like Arcfire, Arcthunder has the effect of dealing multiple hits to the opponent, keeping them in place for a brief period of time. Unlike Arcfire, though, you can fire it much more quickly and hit opponents directly in front of you. By using it up close, you can catch the opponent off guard and quickly hit them with a Levin Sword strike while they're trapped.

Pretty much this.

While I find Robin's jab finisher with Fire to have its uses (it has better knockback than Wind and is somewhat easier to use), I think it's better to use his/her Wind jab instead. You can only use the fire tome up to six times before its used up temporarily, and Arcfire has the same durability as his/her jab finisher.

The Wind jab also has the added bonus of potentially getting your opponent in the air, so you can juggle them.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Nossferatu relies on either extreme prediction or whiffs. I've only ever landed it once.

 

[Pazzo.]

Think of it as getting to know your enemy. That was one of Sun Tzu's things, right?

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Yeah.. I'm a big fan of 'The Art of War"...

One thing you can try with Arcthunder is using it at close range. Like Arcfire, Arcthunder has the effect of dealing multiple hits to the opponent, keeping them in place for a brief period of time. Unlike Arcfire, though, you can fire it much more quickly and hit opponents directly in front of you. By using it up close, you can catch the opponent off guard and quickly hit them with a Levin Sword strike while they're trapped.

I do the same thing with Ness. If I land PK Fire, a grab or followup is almost assured.