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*cough*I think that's when strategy comes in play, and you need your warmates to help you dealing with enemies you can't.
After all, you cannot win a war with only one person.
Except that in some FE, you can.
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That's a rather interesting analysis you've put together. I'm impressed. While the leak did say Chrom is in, it would seem that evidence we've seen from the actual game itself would suggest otherwise. Though it may be with considering the possibility of Chrom using some kind of gimmick to differentiate himself from the other characters, such as using a spear or utilizing some kind of HP draining trick. However, whether or not such a gimmick would be implemented is questionable.Before I post this, I just want to remind everyone that I am not anti-Chrom. I love the guy. That said, we post about him here, because there is no dodging around the fact he is consequential to Robin's inclusion. It has been a goal to consult with Intelligent Systems with successive entries for character ideas, and there is a minute possibility we'll ever have more than three Fire Emblem characters unless they have some VERY good ideas for what to do with them.
A lot of people mention how he is too similar to Marth and Ike, but it goes deeper than that. There are four characters indicative of why Chrom is a horrible idea.
1 & 2) Marth and Ike themselves. But it's not so much the fact they are blue-haired swordsman from Fire Emblem, but rather what has/will happen with the characters in Smash 4. The idea of Chrom being "between the two" is invalidated. Marth (in the demo build) is a slower character, and if Ike follows suit with every other slow character in Smash Bros, he'll become faster. The middle-ground will become too narrow to merit another fighter.
Statistical variation of course in no way defines a character entirely, since someone can move as fast as someone else but still play very differently, but it's worth mentioning none-the-less.
3) Shulk
I can't say I care about this character, but there is a reasonable chance he will show up. The power of Monado and arts of course offer a plethora of gameplay potential. So while one could say "How is he anything like Chrom?", I would say "What can't he do that Chrom can?" What, Aether? Ike has that. That's all Chrom really has, and even the animation in game just uses generic animations. No super powers of any sort. Not only that, Shulk broadens out franchise representation, while Chrom only dilutes it.
4) Mii Fighter
Yes, the Swordfighter is aesthetically very different from Chrom, and the Mii Fighters borrow plenty of moves from other characters. That said, there is no doubt that this little warrior will wiggle its way into whatever gameplay niche left. Being a sword user alone does not make a character similar, but at some point the reservoir of possibilities starts to run dry.
Again, while I do not doubt the leaker had legitimate information at some point, there is a high chance we won't see Chrom at all. This scarcely helps Robin's chances, since not only is Anna and a few others a good contender, but there is a chance Marth and Ike may be it. Whether it's Lucina, Chrom, Robin, Anna, Ephraim or really just about anyone, I remain hopeful for more Fire Emblem representation.
If you love a character other than Chrom, don't lose hope.
If you love Chrom, don't lose hope.
Chrom could serve as a support unit in the background (like how Pokemon Trainer would run around while his Pokemon were fighting) while Robin is fighting. He sure as hell made for some great support while I was praying to the RNG Gods trying to farm for EXP in Lunatic/Lunatic+
Same, but it is a possibility that I can't ignore.
I agree. Really, the only way I think Chrom could be a unique character is if he utilized some of his lesser-known abilities for a move set. But... I don't know, that seems desperate, in a way. It's like they had to have him in, but they couldn't make anything interesting out of his most important abilities, so they turned to random, minor ones. Now granted, they've done that before with characters like Zelda and Ness, so it's not impossible for them to do something like that. Though at the same time, if they were to start using anything Chrom is capable,of for a move set, I'd have to wonder why Ike doesn't do something like wield an axe, which could help him distinguish himself more from Marth. He doesn't, though. I don't see why Chrom would.
And that's the major issue with Chrom, they threw him Aether, but that's Ike's signature move, he has a legendary sword Falchion, but that's Marth's sword (given Chrom's is visually different, but still). As @
Hong
said, there's not much room left for him to "fill the gap" that exists between Marth's and Ike's weights and playstyles. And as you said, there really isn't that much Chrom could be given in terms of canon abilities for his moveset, certainly Ness and Zelda have minor abilities incorporated in theirs, but those things are unique attacks/spells. Meanwhile Chrom is sitting with stuff like Rightful King and Dual Strike+, which don't really do much of anything with regards to acting as his own character. Unless he pulls things from his other class attributes or classes he will really just be incredibly bland I fear (and as @
False Sense
said, Ike doesn't use Axes in his Brawl Moveset, so this trend doesn't exist in Smash thus far). I don't know about you guys but I don't want to see a third FE rep that has Counter as his D-B, I really want something unique (which is offered by Robin, Ephraim, Micaiah, Anna and possibly Hector to name a few) and Chrom doesn't really have that much to draw from in order to accomplish this, imo.
That's another thing. I don't know why they'd try to force a moveset for Chrom out of desperation when there are plenty of other viable characters in many different classes that could get a shot that would do a better job at representing the diversity of FE and wouldn't seem nearly as desperate. And for reasons like those, I see the chance for other characters rising.
Here's hoping Sakurai's desire to have "more unique characters" translates to him picking someone other than Chrom for Smash 4 as the 3rd FE rep (if one happens).
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More than anything, I am not an opponent of Chrom or champion of Robin... but I am a proponent for speculation. I would appreciate if you, everyone in this thread, and everyone in other active character threads, remain hopeful.
To be fair, talking about why we find Chrom to be an uninteresting choice is the same as talking about why we support Robin, isn't it? Don't most of us support Robin because we think the more obvious choice for an Awakening character to be dull, so we turn to the slightly less obvious yet still totally viable choice for a character that could offer so much more?
Personally, I think it's fine for Robin to use weapons or skills from different classes, since the ability to change into any class and use any weapon or skill is actually a notable part of what makes Robin Robin. That sheer diversity is one of Robin's defining traits, so I think it makes more sense for Robin than it does for Chrom, who's re-classing options are remarkably limited.
Or a sword, he would still whack them with the flat.
Actually, about Ike and Aether... One of the things that stood out to me about Ike's reveal was how Sakurai reassured us that Ike's signature Aether ability was back. Isn't that a bit odd? I mean, that's Chrom's signature ability as well. I'd be shocked if it wasn't incorporated into Chrom's move set if he was playable. So why would Sakurai go out of his way to draw attention to an ability that was likely going to be implemented on another character as well?
Yeah, I noticed that to, most people Google FE13 and see Chrom pop up first, and support the mark of the exalt of him.
See, this EXACTLY. I pointed this out right away as soon as Ike was announced. I was like "wait a second... why does he need to assure us that Ike still uses Aether?" That's directed right at Chrom as far as I'm concerned. Just like when I read comments about Sakurai saying size has no bearing in Smash, my thoughts immediately shifted: "That's directed right at Ridley."
Would that be the brand of the exalt on Chrom himself, or the one on his swimming trunks?
And what screams "clone!" more than the possibility of Chrom using and yelling out "Aether!"?
Well, most Roy support comes from people who played Melee, so...Did Roy and Ike have flocks of people who haven't even played their game supporting them?
Mathematically, before Ike was even announced only a few hundred thousand people had played Ike's game. But Intelligent Systems loved him, and like with Roy they got what they asked for.
By all accounts, I figure Intelligent Systems would spit out "Lucina" at the first chance. If we get someone else, it's because Mr. Sakurai negotiated the need for somebody else. It's not like they don't like Robin, either,
Why?
Aww, is something wrong? You're looking a little green.
Well, Chrom is one of the main characters of Awakening, and is the most recognizable and popular one as well. He makes a lot of sense as a character choice. The issues with his inclusion are issues that may not be that apparent to IS.
I don't think he is obvious.
You also Kill Chrom from Robin's Perspective.
Chrom Killing Simulator: AwakeningYou also Kill Chrom from Robin's Perspective.
Yes, that's correct. I would say that Robin is the true main character of Awakening, so in that sense Robin is the obvious choice. Though there's also things like marketing that IS may consider. Of course, I've already talked at length about how Chrom, despite being the face of Awakening, is not the best choice to advertise Awakening, and how being the "face" may not mean much at all, so perhaps you are right.
And that's the thing. Based on all the information we have and speculation we've done, Sal's source hasn't gained any new info since before Ike was revealed.
Exactly. Up until mid-May, I was expecting Marth-Chrom and hoping for Marth-Chrom-Robin. Ike was a Vanguard-sized curveball.
I'm not gonna take any shots, but...it certainly seems like most of the Fire Emblem fans want someone other than Chrom now, doesn't it?
Let us hope he has a keen eye...and maybe a Mushroom to cut across the grass. >_>
I still find it hilarious that the Gematsu leak thread got locked.
More than anything, I am not an opponent of Chrom or champion of Robin... but I am a proponent for speculation. I would appreciate if you, everyone in this thread, and everyone in other active character threads, remain hopeful.
The Gematsu leak, were it true, would be like if you were a kid and months before Christmas, your parents gave you a list of things you'll be getting on Christmas morning. Some of it is nice, some of it is "eh". While you are not so self-entitled or ungrateful to be disappointed with what you'll be given, because you love your parents, you'd rather they spent their hard-earned coin on getting you things you'd actually be happy with.
You know?
Wait, it did? Why?
There was at least five pages that were off-topic and flame wars were running rampant. I think it was about Mewtwo, of all things.