Time for a new ruleset?

[ConnorTheKid]

no mute

 

[Rickety]

This thread:

Love it, love it! <3

 

[Kira-]

about time they released it

i agree with everything plank posted



it's common knowledge that corneria, poke floats, jungle japes, green greens, and mute city are bad stages. And stadium is too good for Fox. why do you think I ban that over corneria? Because I can play stupid and camp the fin and change the matchup and win that way instead of by playing the matchup correctly. Even stadium should only be allowed so that Fox gets his counterpick, because the changing of the stage FUX SHT UP it's ridiculous



so in conclusion: change all tournament rulesets now.

 

[DJMirror]

oh i forgot to say this

Spoiler

get ****ing ***** peach mains

 

[ConnorTheKid]

Jason you'd still get ***** by all the Peaches regardless of stage.

 

[Atlus8]

This is my take on stages and s#!+!

Neutrals
-Battlefield
-FD
-Dreamland
(Those stages are lined up next to each other like it was f***en meant to be!)

Counterpicks
-Yoshi's Story
-FoD
-Pokemon Stadium
-Kongo Jungle

FoD would be banned for doubles!

 

[SuperRad]

i dont see why FoD is less neutral than Battlefield.

 

[Adam M!]

This is my take on stages and s#!+!

Neutrals
-Battlefield
-FD
-Dreamland
(Those stages are lined up next to each other like it was f***en meant to be!)

Counterpicks
-Yoshi's Story
-FoD
-Pokemon Stadium
-Kongo Jungle

FoD would be banned for doubles!

best list ever

 

[Atlus8]

i dont see why FoD is less neutral than Battlefield.

Seriously?

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

But I like Stadium. =(

 

[SuperRad]

Seriously?

humor me

 

[DJMirror]

But I like Stadium. =(

at least you dont get taken to gay stages like mute city or brinstar

 

[Atlus8]

humor me

The platforms move! C'mon man! It was easy!

 

[SuperRad]

battlefield has bad edges

c'mon man
it was easy

 

[MacD]

i'd ban stadium over rainbow cruise, until i get completely gayed and ***** on cruise, i'd still rather play there

i like the new list, get rid of all the stuipd stages, and not just ones that benefit floaties

so i hope these rules are at least tested out at tournies in CA

when we went to WA, they still did ban one stage for the set before the random stage :/

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

at least you dont get taken to gay stages like mute city or brinstar

I like Brinstar and I'd just ban mute city anyway.

I miss stadium already. =(

 

[Atlus8]

battlefield has bad edges

c'mon man
it was easy

People that sux fall for them! You're easy!

 

[SuperRad]

people that sux fall for moving platforms

jeez this is so easy

 

[Atlus8]

best list ever

Thnx P! S#!+ made my day!

Edit - Ignoring SuperRad . . . now!

 

[Kouryuu]

battlefield has bad edges

c'mon man
it was easy

You're trying too hard.

There isn't anything wrong with the edges. Getting gayed by the edges is fairly easy to avoid.

FoD on the other hand has constant altering platforms (I don't know if it has a pattern or if it's just random). The stage itself is small but it has one of the highest ceilings in the game (i.e lacks proportions). When compared to FD, DL64 and BF, FoD is anything but neutral.

Atlus' stage list is legit.

 

[pockyD]

battlefield is one of the few completely non-random stages in the game

then again, so is poke floats

 

[Eggz]

mute city is the only stage that completely ***** sheik =[

 

[DJMirror]

mute city is the only stage that completely ***** sheik =[

hmm interesting

can you explain to me why mute city ***** sheik?

 

[Kouryuu]

battlefield is one of the few completely non-random stages in the game

then again, so is poke floats

Your point?

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

No grabbable ledges, duh. Sheik's ledge game is like the best of all the characters. It's a free hit on Sheik anytime she has to use her up B to recover. Her recovery is really ****ing good with a ledge, and very punishable without one.

 

[SuperRad]

hmm interesting

can you explain to me why mute city ***** sheik?

no edges to grab on to makes recovery dumb

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

brian
sorry but battlefield isn't gay

i don't care about FoD though cuz it ***** people for me and i can recover to the extreme

anyways


yay! **** those gay stages!

 

[SuperRad]

i like battlefield

im just not sure why fod is considered that bad

i think using atlus's list, we should just stage strike from all 7 instead of just those three

 

[Little England]

I think the biggest problem when it comes to picking legal stages is that there are no definitions for neutral, counterpick, or banned stages. I think if we can just make a list of rules of what should be allowed for neutral stages then counter pick stages, choosing them will come much easier.

Neutral Stages

-Must be symmetrical
-Hazards are either subtle or nonexistent
-Stage invariably contains open walls (no walk off deaths i.e. Flatzone), floors, and ceilings

By these standards the following stages are neutral

Battlefield
FD
Dreamland 64
Yoshi's Story

Banned Stages

The reason I'm choosing to list banned stages before counterpicks is because I think the qualifications for banned stages are much easier to point out.

-Contains hazards that severely distract from gameplay
-Stage is entirely too big and allows for effortless camping
-Stage is prone to stalling
-Stage is prone to infinite combos
-May severely hinder any character's recovery. (i.e. Ness on Fourside)
-Stage moves or alters in a way that supports the above qualifications

By these standards the following stages are banned.
Icicle Mountain
Peach's Castle
Great Bay
Corneria
Rainbow Cruise
Jungle Japes
Hyrule Temple
Yoshi's Island,
Green Greens
Venom(I love this stage)
Brinstar(not sure)
Onett
Mute City
Mushroom Kingdom
Brinstar Depths
Fourside
Big Blue
Poke Floats
Mushroom Kingdom II
Yoshi's Island

Counterpick Stages
-Stage invariably contains open walls (no walk off deaths i.e. Flatzone), floors, and ceilings
-May contain hazards, but does not distract from basic gameplay

By these standards the following stages are counter picks.

Kongo Jungle (someone please tell me why this stage has been banned)
Fountain of Dreams
Pokemon Stadium
Kongo Jungle 64


GET OFFICIAL WITH THIS! DISCUSS WHAT IS A NEUTRAL STAGE, COUNTERPICK STAGE, AND BANNED STAGE. I'M SURE EVERYONE DOESN'T JUST THROW OUT THEIR OPINIONS WITHOUT SUPPORTING DETAILS(lol grade school) IN THE SBR. WHY SHOULD WE?

 

[Atlus8]

Kongo Jungle (someone please tell me why this stage has been banned)

I think that critter (I call him 'chomp-chomp') that instant kills you comes out!
I placed Yoshi's Story on counterpicks because of the low @$$ ceiling and close sides!

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I think that critter (I call him 'chomp-chomp') that instant kills you comes out!
I placed Yoshi's Story on counterpicks because of the low @$$ ceiling and close sides!

It's called a Klap Trap

 

[SuperRad]

and LE was talking about DK Rap Kongo Jungle not Jungle Japes, I think

 

[ConnorTheKid]

DK Rap Kongo Jungle also has a chomp-chomp though.

 

[SuperRad]

really? apparently my knowledge of the stage is limited

 

[ConnorTheKid]

It hits for 30% but doesn't have ridiculous knock back. I think it's banned because the side rock is good for camping.

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

i like battlefield

im just not sure why fod is considered that bad

i think using atlus's list, we should just stage strike from all 7 instead of just those three

man what is wrong with me lately
i knew that god**** it but something happened and i posted that

the moving/non-existent platforms are a big deal methinks


edit: ****in dk stages

 

[Little England]

haha I completely forgot about him Atlus. Kongo Jungle is like Jungle Japes made fair to me!

Jungle Japes had those side platforms which are very easy to camp on. It had the flowing river on the bottom and a croc that appears pretty often and passes the ENTIRE stage in hopes for a victim.

Kongo Jungle is a good counterpick

Kongo Jungle doesn't have any areas to camp. That rock might be debatable, but it's so close to the walls of the stage that it can be very dangerous if you mess up. It has open floors like normal stages instead of stupid water like Japes, and it has a barrel which definitely adds a nice healthy twist.

Also, instead of the croc, we have the "chomp-chomp" as Atlus calls him lol. He only comes every minute and thirty-five seconds, which probably equates to twice a match. You can see him coming about 10 seconds early, and he chomps when he makes it over the waterfall part. He stays out for about 2-3 seconds below the stage and makes ONE VERTICAL PATH. I also tested it and he does not always kill you. When he hit me at 0% he knocked me above the stage(no hardcore gimping).

edit- the only characters that I can see effectively camping on that rock are Sheik, Fox, Peach, and Mewtwo. Sheik, Fox, and Mewtwo can edge stall anywhere. I can see Peaches playing really gay and camping dsmash and bairs, but it's a lot easier to handle than if she did the same thing on one of the side Jungle Japes platforms.

 

[Adam M!]

No grabbable ledges, duh. Sheik's ledge game is like the best of all the characters.

Marth's ledge game is better and he holds his own on that stage

It's a free hit on Sheik anytime she has to use her up B to recover. Her recovery is really ****ing good with a ledge, and very punishable without one.

nitpicking, but her recovery is ridiculously punishable without one, too

i dunno why i posted lol

 

[Kouryuu]

I think that critter (I call him 'chomp-chomp') that instant kills you comes out!
I placed Yoshi's Story on counterpicks because of the low @$$ ceiling and close sides!

Yoshi Story also has the annoying Shy Guys that could get in the way of a hit, combo, kill, etc.

There is also the Cloud which is constantly circulating in and out of the stage which can help you or your opponent recover in situations where it could otherwise be impossible.

And it has ******** slanted ledges.

 

[Shroomed]

but ppl die early on yoshi's so it's pretty koo

doc w/o counterpick stages is so gimp =(