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Tier Position?
- Thread starter neji49
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PNTBuenaPark
Smash Rookie
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- Jul 21, 2007
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DSF told me that in japan that Falco is #4 while snake is #1 then wario then #3 i dont know then falco. must beccause of falcos godly chian grab spike,shdl, and the new dashcanceling, and the dlx canceling.
Blad01
Smash Lord
I agree : High Mid Tier.
J0™
Smash Apprentice
too early to say kthx
Where did you figure that out? That looks like a pretty unlikely tier list to me, where did you figure it out? (No Offense)
pyroroth
Smash Journeyman
Just because the "best" brawler plays a character doesn't make it the best.
Juker
Smash Apprentice
Who is this "best brawler", and o you have any videos?
P.S. A PM would be nice, thanks.
redgreenblue
Smash Ace
I personally think he deserves at least Upper tier. His advantages outweigh his disadvantages greatly. If you disagree, challenge me to a wifi battle and I'll show you what I mean.
shal
Smash Apprentice
id say he is like mid-high havnt been looking at him much
TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
NJ is right. Falco is one of the few characters with versatility in his game play, and doesn't fall flat on his face (this is not a reference to tripping) when doing so. He also has good recovery, a chain grab, a spammable projectile, and a deadly spike.
SpeedAcE
Smash Journeyman
The two previous posters couldn't be more correct.
Fluke
Smash Journeyman
A spike is a move that sends the opponent down., just like a meteor smash. However spikes are not cancellable by jumping at the right time like in meteor cancelling.
Blad01
Smash Lord
I agree but...
If you can't spike your opponent (because he can't be chaingrabed or wathever), how do you kill him ? That's the only Falco's problem : His Up SMash is ok, but desn' t kill Mario until 122% :/
His Forward Smash is too long to prepare, but can be use on an opponent's error...
aids514
Smash Cadet
I've got Falco pegged at upper-middle tier. He's pretty slow now and his shine is near unusable for combos.
DSF said he was #4? I don't think so. And Wario is #3? Ok....I know that Futile has a good Wario but there's no way Wario is top tier.
DSF said he was #4? I don't think so. And Wario is #3? Ok....I know that Futile has a good Wario but there's no way Wario is top tier.
TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
Uair kills, Bair spam off the edge, D smash. Falco isn't at a lack of kill moves. I'd actually say he has just as many as melee (no more vertical shine kills though, and without being able to combo into spikes it becomes less obvious). It's all just, like with every character, being able to predict and use the correct one, as if you miss habitually, you aren't going to be killing your opponent often.
Blackslash25
Smash Rookie
One word chain grab. Just that gives him top tier.
Captain Stupid
Smash Apprentice
fully agree.
How the hell could Mario EVER be high tier with his current move list?
Anyway, I haven't mastered Falc and I'm still having trouble with cookie-cutter Marths and Ikes (but that's probably because online play sucks and I can't capitalize on whiffs). So I can't say. He's got a lot of tools, though. And he's fun-as-hell.
Anyway, I haven't mastered Falc and I'm still having trouble with cookie-cutter Marths and Ikes (but that's probably because online play sucks and I can't capitalize on whiffs). So I can't say. He's got a lot of tools, though. And he's fun-as-hell.
Jem.
Smash Master
I personally think he belongs in mid tier, MAYBE high tier, but im more leniant to mid tier cause I dont hear about Falco's placing in top 3 at tournaments with skilled people yet, only Snake/MK.
Blackslash25
Smash Rookie
Chain grabbing, godly spike A chain grab to spike combo that could cause instant death used by a good player. Decent recovery. Lazers and a reflector that do well against approachers. He's top tier. Ppl who say he's not dont know his potential or just dont want to realize they use a top tier character.
OTRU...
Smash Champion
His forward smash is one of his best KO moves, you just need to learn to use it out of your shield, another good way to do it is after your A, A, A combo (if they DI it wrong of course). His bair is amazing to edgeguard and is definitely one of his better killing moves.
Jem.
Smash Master
Godly Spike? Please, its pretty much a meteor now it seems like with brawl physics. You have to spike them twice in a row off a double jump just so it actually kills, and even then it can be risky if they gimp you off the edge when you're out of jumps.
thx
Smash Ace
i think its because no one is really playing him not because hes not high tier material once the game settles i think there will be more falcos its kinda starting with people around my area i mean come on chain grab more than 50 percent of the characters in the game great moves hes mad cheap lmao
Blackslash25
Smash Rookie
Thx dont take it too far. I dont think he's cheap but chain grabbing is. But like thx said give it more time and falco will be dominating tourneys.
That's good to hear.
I can get kills without even having to rack up damage on my opponent with Falco's spike. But now people are talking about this "chain-grab" and "laser-lock." Can someone please explain to me what these moves are?
Are you kidding ? A forward Smash Out Of SHield takes too long... Look by example at this vid : Here
After A,A,A... Yeah maybe if he DI wrong.I think the best way to use it is after a doxn throw, or to punish an opponent's roll...
I agree.
I don't bother using it unless I'm punishing a roll or a bad move. The likely thing to happen when using it is that my opponent will roll away when I use it. But yeah, after AAA or any attack that will knock them over, they'll get up and thats when you load an f smash.
A good thing to note: When your opponents hp is low (pretty much at the start of the game) when they are on the ground and they get up, spamming 2-3 f smashes really works.
Yeniths
East Midlands!
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Hi there, Falcos chain-grab is when you repeatedly use his down throw, then catch your enemy,then downthrow them again before they can escape, it can be used on many characters to get them from around 0-40 damage.
A lot of people however are against this technique often referring to it as"cheap" , but in a tournament situation ,or hey, even a serious friendly , you can blame people for gaining some free damage right?
Falcos Laser-lock, is when under certain situations you can simply keep firing lasers, and your opponent will be unable to escape, as they will be hit while lying on the floor, unable to escape it until they reach the end of the stage, this however is EXTREMELY hard to use in a serious match, even computers over level 4 will rarely get under this situation
RedBaron73
Smash Cadet
Faclo will likely be in between wolf and fox on the tier list. I Think Faclo will be just under the top tier (like 2 spots below it).
This is how it looks to me:
1. Falco could easily be mid - high tier.
2. Not many people have been using him in tournaments. AT ALL.
3. Noone is really playing with him that precisely yet.
4. We are discovering new things with him all the time.
5. There is a lot more to him. I stress: A LOT MORE.
6. This is not an easy character to pick up.
7. He has a chain grab - instant 50% damage if done correctly. In most cases, except against the very best, this can mean EVERYTHING.
8. Playing Falco is like playing a character that always has a 50% lead on every one else for each and every stock.
9. Wait till he is NEAR-MASTERED. That puts him up in top tier.
10. Falco almost mastered (because noone can ever master anything in smash, noone mastered Melee =P) together with chain grab = top of top tier.
1. Falco could easily be mid - high tier.
2. Not many people have been using him in tournaments. AT ALL.
3. Noone is really playing with him that precisely yet.
4. We are discovering new things with him all the time.
5. There is a lot more to him. I stress: A LOT MORE.
6. This is not an easy character to pick up.
7. He has a chain grab - instant 50% damage if done correctly. In most cases, except against the very best, this can mean EVERYTHING.
8. Playing Falco is like playing a character that always has a 50% lead on every one else for each and every stock.
9. Wait till he is NEAR-MASTERED. That puts him up in top tier.
10. Falco almost mastered (because noone can ever master anything in smash, noone mastered Melee =P) together with chain grab = top of top tier.
Blad01
Smash Lord
So, after one month and a half for you, what do you think of his Tier Position ?
I personnally played him in France, since February, in tournaments, and i think (Mid) High-Tier. He has some difficulties aginst G&W, MK and sometimes Wolf. To kill with him, you have to master him (I don't say i've mastered him entirely). But if someone knows your game, and has a difficult character to fight (T. Link by example), it can be difficult to kill him (not to rack up damages, however).
So i don't think he's Top Tier.
I personnally played him in France, since February, in tournaments, and i think (Mid) High-Tier. He has some difficulties aginst G&W, MK and sometimes Wolf. To kill with him, you have to master him (I don't say i've mastered him entirely). But if someone knows your game, and has a difficult character to fight (T. Link by example), it can be difficult to kill him (not to rack up damages, however).
So i don't think he's Top Tier.
BEES
Smash Lord
Falco's in a good spot on the tiers. Good enough to where the character doesn't hold you back, but underrated enough that you won't look like a cheapass whenever you beat people with him.