Really, I don't think that's what the OP is getting at.
We were discussing something the OP didn't bring up. Someone stated their opinion, I concurred. Neither claimed the OP said it.
Dude do you just want a fight? I ended this BS already and now you wanna start up more crap with your snippy remarks? And what debate have I lost to you against? If you are talking about the Peach one, dude you got turned down by everyone. Even a mod came in and got in on it. Then finally you left with your crap.
You can't just leave after making
tons of outlandish claims, none of which you have yet to substantiate except "I managed to beat
one Snake
once."
and insulting the hell out of someone. You don't even admit you're wrong or that you lied. You just go "It was just a figure of expression!" and then go all Silent Mode on everything you've been called on that you cannot substantiate.
You started this inane fight with at least 2 posts which earned you infractions. Personal insults, open flaming and more. I replying in calmly fashion. And then you want to bail because you cannot win a single point.
I got "turend down by everyone"? Like, who? The one jillion random Peach fanboys who had barely any grasp on charcter potential? Tell, 6 months into the game's lifespan, how's Peach looking? How's she doing in tournaments? What's her potential like today? No, not her potential in friendlies, her potential in tournaments.
Has the majority of the things I've said turned out to be untrue? I don't care if 29 random Peaches who have
never placed Top 10 at
any tournament disagreed with me. I care if people who, you know, actually know stuff about the game agree/disagree with em. And funnily enough, many reputable Peaches who placed
very high in tournaments agreed with me.
And I've already told you to quote this post where a mod apparently got in and "chewed me up" or whatever you claimed they did. Quotes or it didn't happen as you're so prone to over-exaggeration. A mod telling me to maybe to it down because many are complaining, hardly a case of him "giving me a lesson", especially as
I didn't get an infraction out of it, meaning I didn't really do anything "wrong" per se for the mod to step in.
I back up what I Had to say, and beat skilled people. And gave you names.
In
friendlies. How many times must I say that
no one reputable cares what people do in
friendlies?! Why do
you? I've
also said that you only gave me a list of people you've beaten (in friendlies).
I want you to specify which of them:
* Think Peach is cheap now.
* Is considering switching mains to Peach.
Am I assume
all of them think so? Am I to guess which ones think so? No, really, it's not
hard and only takes, what, 2 minutes?
Subtatiate your claims for once and
specify.
My point is really easy. And I said what I did to back it up. And my WHOLE point is Peach is better than you or anyone else sees her as. AndI have proved that here. And I will do more of that when I enter more tournaments.
"You said what you did to back i up"? In other words, you
lied and
exaggerated to back up your point? That's kinda indicative of someone who doesn't have a
good point.
You have not proven anything.
Friendlies do not count!
Be my guest. I'd actually be happy if someone managed to prove to us that Peach can be played well in Competitive play in Brawl.
But until such time you've actually proven anything, don't mouth off as if you
already have.
It does not get any simple to explain than that. I dont like you and you dont like me. Thats why I ended it all so this wont go on and I wont get annoyed by you. And everyone is happy.
You need actual feats to prove something. You have
one single feat. It doesn't mean jack squat.
Also I can name them easy, but one question. What eould that Prove if you dont know them?
I could, you know,
ask them to see if it's true. I'm guessing
it's not since you
persist in not naming them?
You would come off as, " They are nobodys so that is not saying much" or w/e excuse to that relation. Thats why I did not say thier names.
How would I be able to say that if you named them? A simple fact checking session would determine whether you're
lying again or not.
How will that proof anything to you about. The names I did give you are the ones that place high here and are currenty the best.
Who you beat in
friendlies.
And these people were not easy nether obviously but I have beaten them. Give me the reason for this info and I'll make my list. Those names that I gave out are the ones that matter.
In
friendlies. Again, give me the names so I can verify your claims. There's no reason for you to
not name them after you claim they exist and persist it's some of the most important reasons why what you say is true.
Want me to prove my point to YOU in tournaments? NP Anything else you want?
Do it, then talk.
Also I said I used " beat the ****" as an expression What part of that cant you understand?
As an expression of
what, really? "I beat the **** out of" is an expression of "I win by a
large margin over".
What the hell were you trying to say using that expression? "I go even with many"? "I
don't get the **** beaten out of myself by"? "I can
sometimes win against"? "In friendlies, I go pretty even against the local Snakes and Meta-Knights"?
You're
very prone to
over-exaggerating everything and
blatantly lying sometimes. This is not good debating skills. Do not say "I beat the **** out of..." if
it's not true. Who cares if it's just an expression? You
obviously used it when
it didn't apply.
Friendlies do not ever, especially not when trying to show game balance or character potential. Come back to me when you've done anything at tournaments.
If you provided tournament placings along with that/videos of the fights it would show the proof. If he tries to go, "LOL FAILZ!!!!11111" about their skill you would have proof of their skill through standings to shut him up.
But he
can't. Because the only feat he's ever done in Brawl tournaments is beating
one Snake at
one tournament out of Winner's. Um, wow. Proves that Peach should be at least Upper Mid, alright!
The rest of his named opponents, wins, close losses and general toe-to-toe-ness are from Online and Friendlies.
I said what I said and I guess Yuna happened to agree with it AFTERWARD.
Actually, no. To be fair (to me), I said it first as I called him on it immediately. "Wow, Peach can place 10th and 9th. And? What about higher?" - Not an exact quote, but the gist of what I said.
You could honestly re-write this thread as the script for the season finale of The Young and the Restless.
Oh, please. You could re-write pretty much any thread I go to as a script for a soap. I'm just that awesome.
I haven't been keeping up with this. In fact, this is my first post on SmashBoards. But I completely agree with the first post.
Personally, I'm picking up Zero Suit Samus.
That's the best thing about Brawl. There is no real tier list. As the videos at the beginning of this thread showed, really any character can pwn. All the tier list means is that more people use those characters in tournaments, it doesn't make the other characters, the ones that might be called low tier or bottom tier, are bad.
How would tourney results prove Peach is underrated?
Tier Lists exist whether people want to or not and even if they don't write one. Tier Lists are not made by the players. We merely define them once we have enough experience with the game.
Also, there's
already a clear speculative Tier List because there are already so many imbalances we can make pretty accurate guesses.
If Peach is shown to be capalboe of winning tournaments, of course it's prove she's underrated. Because at the moment, very few people believe she stands a chance at it.
Ok what the hell is wrong with you? Did I say annoy bad about you? I said you bringing that up annoyed me and this was before Yuna posted. And then Yuna decided to use it and annoy me even more. For once, you could have asked instead of turning the other cheek. I made that quite clear.
So if you wanna be like that then fine. I said your comment annoyed me.....thats it.
I called you on yet more BS. It's called using actual arguments in a debate. It was to show a big picture of your lacking debating skills (and sometimes illogical thinking).
Retconning yourself afterwards is not smart when your post remains unedited (I assume) and
at least two people have quoted said post. We know exactly what you said,
you know exactly what you said (only maybe not as you've shown yourself quite capable of making yourself believe you said things you didn't and didn't say things you did) after saying/not saying them.
I'll quote my Damm self to make it better
"And For Ankoku comment, I dont care about. I got annoy of you saying it and hype yuna up even more."
I said it annoyed me. And it ALSO hyped Yuna up. I dont give a crap for it hyping him up. Im getting at you and your comment and how it made me feel. Annoyed. How much more I need to break this down to you?
Obviously, whenever someone agrees with someone, it's automatically "hyping them up". Also, if you "
don't give a crap for it hyping me up", why didn't you even
mention it (the hyping up part) in the first place?
Obviously, you
do care.
It's quite childish to get annoyed at anyone who agree with someone unless they do it for the wrong reasons.
Your the one acting like a child. Yuna agreed with your comment. oh well. I simply said it annoyed me. pay more attention to what I just quoted carefully. Even others agreed you are going crazy over nothing. Your comment annoyed me and now Im the evil one. Give me a break Ankoku.
No,
I said it first, then Ankoku said it. I'm guessing he hadn't read my post where I said it, as indicated by his prior post (which I've quoted in this post). We were just two separate people who separately said the same thing. But I did it first.
I didn't jump on any bandwagon or use anyone else's recycled argument. "Even others agreed you are going crazy over nothing"? Quotes, please. How many "others" can you name?
But if you wanna be that way then fine. Im not gonna plead for you to be my friend and make you understand. do and act the hell you want. See if I care. Ever since this game came out people have been just.........de que diablo. I did not go through this much crap with Melee.
Maybe your posts made more sense back when you were playing Melee and weren't so easily refuted, then.
Yeah, tiers do exist. I guess what I was getting at is that, tiers don't exactly matter. The simple truth is that, given the player has a certain ammount of skills and training with a character, they can do extremely well regardless of tiers.
This can be said about
any game. Given enough of a large skill gap, the worst character in the game can beat the best one. And?
Man why does good threads turn to **** on Smashboards?! This Peach argument has gone on long enough and it's getting downright ********
.
I can sorta vouch for Dark. Pch. His Peach is by far the best one I played thus far, that hard work really showed. Even though I beat him both rounds, I gotta give my respect for his Peach (No character johns next time). However, it is true that you'll need to get high in tournaments to get Peach to be respected as a reliable tournament character. So go out there and try your best I guess.
This board should be called Dramaboards instead of Smashboards
.
The topic at hand is
not how good Dark.Pch is. I have
yet to even
once address Dark.Pch's skill other than to
actually say "Maybe you're just that good".
The point is not whether Dark.Pch's Peach is one of the best Brawl Peaches out there, which would kinda work against his argument.
Dark.Pch's point is that Peach isn't all that bad, that she's Mid Tier material, that she can do well and has the potential to quite possibly win tournaments or at least place very high, that she is quite capable of beating the High Tiers, etc., etc., etc.
It'd kinda work against his argument if it required
one of the best Brawl Peaches in the nation to be able to do anything remotely like that. If an average Snake can take Top 8, but you have to be one of the best Peaches in the nation to do the same, then that's kinda indicative that it's not
really that easy and that Peach's potential isn't really
all that.
I'm not saying Dark.Pch is one of the best Brawl Peaches in the U.S., though. I'm merely illustrating a point.
Peach is not "all that good" if you have to be really, really good with her to place Top 8 because comparatively, there are just
that many other characters which have a
much easier time placing Top 8, which means Peach, in the big scheme of things, isn't
all that good.
This is the point Dark.Pch still cannot grasp even after 6 months because he's so blindly and fanboyishly looking at "Peach needs to work a lot harder than others and is thus a Low Tier" as if I'm insulting Peach as a character or interpreting it as something really, really bad. Never mind that Peach is one of my favourite characters and that I've mained her in various Mario-related games ever since Super Mario Bros. 2, which I first played back in the 90's.
It's just cold hard facts (at this writing moment, it can be refuted if someone actually proves me wrong). Peach, when compared to every other character in the game, just isn't
all that.
