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[Vintage Creep]

I would prefer Monte D'Or as a stage. Imagine it in HD, with all the lights, Delfino Island-like. Awesome.
For the trophies not only I hope they're like hundreds of them, but I hope they come as DLC like Layton's puzzles. One trophy a day. Shouldn't be too hard to pull off. In like 5 years we could have thousands of them.

 

[Curious Villager]

I would prefer Monte D'Or as a stage. Imagine it in HD, with all the lights, Delfino Island-like. Awesome.
For the trophies not only I hope they're like hundreds of them, but I hope they come as DLC like Layton's puzzles. One trophy a day. Shouldn't be too hard to pull off. In like 5 years we could have thousands of them.

Well either St. Mystere or Monte D'or would work fine as Delfino Plaza type stages since their both small enough for that. I think both would look pretty great in HD. St. Mystere with the architecture and the tower etc and Monte D'or with all the lighting and stuff etc. Too bad we won't see both (Or either, we may as well end up with an Azran Legacies type stage)

As for the trophies, that could be. I'd be quite disapointed if we don't see many trophies related to the original Layton trilogy though... :/ I don't think they will keep it up for 5 years either but who knows I suppose... ^^;

 

[finalark]

I really doubt we'll see Sonic or Snake return, since the rights to them has probably expired.

I know that Sakurai wants to use Capcom characters, so we'll probably see someone from Street Fighter or Resident Evil. Maybe Mega Man if Capcom doesn't feel like being a bunch of *****.

But most likely I think we'll see a Namco-Bandai character, probably someone from Tekken if I were to take a shot in the dark.

 

[volbound1700]

I really doubt we'll see Sonic or Snake return, since the rights to them has probably expired.

I know that Sakurai wants to use Capcom characters, so we'll probably see someone from Street Fighter or Resident Evil. Maybe Mega Man if Capcom doesn't feel like being a bunch of ****s.

But most likely I think we'll see a Namco-Bandai character, probably someone from Tekken if I were to take a shot in the dark.

SEGA is using Mario (a more valuable IP) over and over again in the Olympic series. I don't think it will be an issue getting Sonic for Smash again. Snake's creater begged to put him in game and Konami approached Nintendo. Again I don't see a problem.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Resident Evil? Seriously? That's laughably unlikely.

 

[FalKoopa]

I really doubt we'll see Sonic or Snake return, since the rights to them has probably expired.

As if the licence cannot be renewed. lol.

I know that Sakurai wants to use Capcom characters, so we'll probably see someone from Street Fighter or Resident Evil.

Resident Evil in a Nintendo flagship game which has Mario? Lolwut?

 

[8-peacock-8]

I really doubt we'll see Sonic or Snake return, since the rights to them has probably expired.

I know that Sakurai wants to use Capcom characters, so we'll probably see someone from Street Fighter or Resident Evil. Maybe Mega Man if Capcom doesn't feel like being a bunch of ****s.

But most likely I think we'll see a Namco-Bandai character, probably someone from Tekken if I were to take a shot in the dark.

Their licenses can be renewed.

Resident Evil? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Tekken actually is the only understandable thing. IF a Namco rep happens.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tekken actually is the only understandable thing. IF a Namco rep happens.

Tales and Pac-Man aren't understandable?

 

[8-peacock-8]

Tales and Pac-Man aren't understandable?

They are. Obviously. (Pac-Man supporter here) i'm just saying that it's an understandable assumption since theres only three possible choices for Namco apparently. (lolsmashboards)

 

[finalark]

Their licenses can be renewed.

I wouldn't count on it.

Resident Evil? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're forgetting this is Capcom we're talking about. Don't misunderstand me and think I want a RE character in Smash 4, I've never been a fan of those games myself.

Tekken actually is the only understandable thing. IF a Namco rep happens.

Seeing how Namco is developing the game I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Namco character. For me it's more of a when then if.

I think Soulcalibur is also a possibility too.

Resident Evil in a Nintendo flagship game which has Mario? Lolwut?

Metal Gear in a Nintendo flagship game which has Mario? Lolwut?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wouldn't count on it.

You're forgetting this is Capcom we're talking about. Don't misunderstand me and think I want a RE character in Smash 4, I've never been a fan of those games myself.


Seeing how Namco is developing the game I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Namco character. For me it's more of a when then if.

I think Soulcalibur is also a possibility too.

Metal Gear in a Nintendo flagship game which has Mario? Lolwut?

Why not?

Capcom is greedy but they are not stupid.

Yep.

Not really.

Metal Gear is a special case as Snake was added as a favor.

 

[Deleted member]

You're forgetting this is Capcom we're talking about. Don't misunderstand me and think I want a RE character in Smash 4, I've never been a fan of those games myself.

Remember that it is Sakurai that decides what third-parties get in. If Capcom was helping in making a roster, a Resident Evil character would be a real possibility, but they aren't. With third-parties being extremely difficult to put in and fit along with barely anyone requesting a Resident Evil character, I think Sakurai will pass on a Resident Evil character. So I wouldn't worry about us getting one.

 

[finalark]

Why not?

Because I'm a cynical son of a ***** and having content in your games from other companies make them more difficult to re-release down the road. IMO The whole thing seems counter productive. However, as someone else mention, SEGA frequently uses Mario in one of their games so it's not really a stretch that Sonic would return. Not sure about Snake, though.

Capcom is greedy but they are not stupid.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait you were serious.

Not really.

I really don't see why not. I think Tekken is more likely since it is the more popular franchise but seeing a SC character isn't entirely out of the question.

Metal Gear is a special case as Snake was added as a favor.

True that.

 

[FalKoopa]

Capcom is greedy but they are not stupid.

I disagree. Their greed is leading them to stupidity.

Not sure about Snake, though.

If snake is dropped, Sakurai would make himself an enemy of Kojima. I think Snake will stay.

 

[finalark]

If snake is dropped, Sakurai would make himself an enemy of Kojima. I think Snake will stay.

I don't really think such trivial things matter on the wider scale. It all boils down to how much it costs Nintendo to keep the licencing, how much of the profits go to Konami, and how cost-effective it is for Nintendo.

All it would take is Konami kicking up the amount they want from Nintendo for them to change their minds and find a company that is willing to give them a character for cheaper. I really doubt that will happen since Konami isn't dumb (outside of how they've been butchering Castlevania lately) but you never know.

Actually, this makes me wonder why Nintendo hasn't just absorbed SEGA yet.

 

[FalKoopa]

I don't really think such trivial things matter on the wider scale. It all boils down to how much it costs Nintendo to keep the licencing.

However, I expect Kojima to push for Snake this time as well. As Sakurai has stated, Kojima had been begging for Snake to be in Smash since Melee. He will approach Sakurai again, and I doubt Sakurai will turn him down.

Also, there's a rumour floating around that Metal Gear Solid V is coming to Wii U. (Don't quote me on this one.)

 

[Moon Monkey]

If you asked me this question in January I would have said:
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-man
possibly Rayman

After the whole exclusive debacle:
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-man

 

[8-peacock-8]

You're forgetting this is Capcom we're talking about. Don't misunderstand me and think I want a RE character in Smash 4, I've never been a fan of those games myself.

Yeah, they respect the fact that Smash is Sakurai's project. Thinking that Capcom would push RE is stupid and thinking Sakurai would choose it over Street Fighter and Megaman is even stupider.

I really don't see why not. I think Tekken is more likely since it is the more popular franchise but seeing a SC character isn't entirely out of the question.

Maybe because Pac-Man, Tales, and Tekken are the only franchises that are likely to be chosen.

 

[Kingslayer]

After the whole exclusive debacle:
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-man

You sure they'll bring back snake? After MGS4 he's kind of...dead. Or really old.
Sonic I could see returning but I can't imagine the demand for a secondary character (aside from Shadow) is high enough to bring one of them in.
Pac-man would probably be a R.O.B./G&W-esque addition.
Side note: I'd cry if they put Zero in along with Megaman (He was great in MVC3) but I don't think that'll ever happen.

 

[8-peacock-8]

You sure they'll bring back snake? After MGS4 he's kind of...dead. Or really old.
Sonic I could see returning but I can't imagine the demand for a secondary character (aside from Shadow) is high enough to bring one of them in.
Pac-man would probably be a R.O.B./G&W-esque addition.
Side note: I'd cry if they put Zero in along with Megaman (He was great in MVC3) but I don't think that'll ever happen.

Being dead wont stop character from being put in. We'd obviously get Zombie Snake.

 

[TheKalmarKing]

They can just bring back MGS2 Snake, it's not a problem.

Also if they put Lloyd or Pac-Man in, I'll be happy.

 

[Moon Monkey]

You sure they'll bring back snake? After MGS4 he's kind of...dead. Or really old.
Sonic I could see returning but I can't imagine the demand for a secondary character (aside from Shadow) is high enough to bring one of them in.
Pac-man would probably be a R.O.B./G&W-esque addition.
Side note: I'd cry if they put Zero in along with Megaman (He was great in MVC3) but I don't think that'll ever happen.

I don't think Sakurai will cut snake. He did say in a past article that he is gonna try his best to bring back past veterans.

I can see Zero being 1 of the very few possble Capcom Assist Trophies. Idk how I would feel if they. Put Zero over Megaman like MvC3.

 

[Metal Overlord]

he's bringing back past veterans? when did he say that?

 

[Moon Monkey]

he's bringing back past veterans? when did he say that?

http://m.officialnintendomagazine.c...-characters-back-to-smash-bros-wii-u-and-3ds/

 

[Metal Overlord]

sounds more like he was talking about Nintendo characters in general than Smash characters

 

[Kingslayer]

I can see Zero being 1 of the very few possble Capcom Assist Trophies. Idk how I would feel if they. Put Zero over Megaman like MvC3.

I think Zero would be a better fit for smash, like a faster Marth/Link hybrid with a projectile.
I get the feeling Megaman would be too similar to Samus if anything.

 

[Moon Monkey]

sounds more like he was talking about Nintendo characters in general than Smash characters

it seemed to me like he was talking about smash characters in general

I think Zero would be a better fit for smash, like a faster Marth/Link hybrid with a projectile.
I get the feeling Megaman would be too similar to Samus if anything.

I think megaman would work he can have different weapons like metal blade etc..

 

[TheKalmarKing]

Please no, not Megaman. Only looking up his movesets make me wanna cry. I love him in his home games, but he should not come over Smash Bros., except if he really is "Best Character Ever". I know many people want him, but I think he could be an error.

 

[Deleted member]

Please no, not Megaman. Only looking up his movesets make me wanna cry. I love him in his home games, but he should not come over Smash Bros., except if he really is "Best Character Ever". I know many people want him, but I think he could be an error.

Mega Man is one of the few third-parties I could see fitting in pretty well even with Sakurai's comments on third-parties being exceptionally difficult to fit in (especially Snake who has disjointed hitbox). Along with Mega Man's massive popularity and his large history with Nintendo, I feel as Mega Man is one of the very best third-party choices Sakurai could make.

 

[TheKalmarKing]

Mega Man is one of the few third-parties I could see fitting in pretty well even with Sakurai's comments on third-parties being exceptionally difficult to fit in (especially Snake who has disjointed hitbox). Along with Mega Man's massive popularity and his large history with Nintendo, I feel as Mega Man is one of the very best third-party choices Sakurai could make.

The problem is the sheer weapon mass he possess. Somebody somewhere will whine because "They didn't put Commando Bomb" or "WHY NO LEAF SHIELD". I don't want him to be forever excluded from Smash Bros., but he's such a hard character to put in ironically...

 

[8-peacock-8]

The problem is the sheer weapon mass he possess. Somebody somewhere will whine because "They didn't put Commando Bomb" or "WHY NO LEAF SHIELD". I don't want him to be forever excluded from Smash Bros., but he's such a hard character to put in ironically...

You act like people don't do that for other characters when they're guests in many other games.

 

[Deleted member]

The problem is the sheer weapon mass he possess. Somebody somewhere will whine because "They didn't put Commando Bomb" or "WHY NO LEAF SHIELD". I don't want him to be forever excluded from Smash Bros., but he's such a hard character to put in ironically...

Does it really matter what weapons they put or don't put in Smash? Mega Man fans will just be glad if Mega Man is included in Smash at all (especially after the last few years have been such difficult years).

 

[Opossum]

Not to mention, no one really complained like that with Sonic, who was a much bigger name. Mega Man will be fine.

 

[Deleted member]

Not to mention, no one really complained like that with Sonic, who was a much bigger name. Mega Man will be fine.

To be fair, a lot of people did complain about Sonic's move set being uninspiring, although that probably has to do with Sonic being a last-minute addition. I do expect his move set to be tweaked to make improvements.

 

[TheKalmarKing]

Believe me, fans will find a way a whine and complain with no reason. Not all of them of course, not all of Megaman's fandom is completely stupid of course, but there will be whining.

And I still thought Sonic was cool...

 

[Opossum]

To be fair, a lot of people did complain about Sonic's move set being uninspiring, although that probably has to do with Sonic being a last-minute addition. I do expect his move set to be tweaked to make improvements.

True. However, no one expects Sonic to not make SSB4 due to his moveset. That was my point. But you are correct on that.

Not to mention, wasn't Sakurai not responsible at all for Sonic's moveset?

 

[FalKoopa]

Not to mention, wasn't Sakurai not responsible at all for Sonic's moveset?

I've heard that too. But then, who was responsible for Sonic's moveset?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Believe me, fans will find a way a whine and complain with no reason. Not all of them of course, not all of Megaman's fandom is completely stupid of course, but there will be whining.

And I still thought Sonic was cool...

Fans will whine about anything and everything. The game could be made of solid gold and they would still complain. Just because some fans will whine doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

 

[finalark]

Maybe because Pac-Man, Tales, and Tekken are the only franchises that are likely to be chosen.

No. Saying that a relatively ignored-by-mainstream JRPG has a better chance of seeing a character than a well regarded fighting game series is nonsense. I'll agree with you on Pac-Man and Tekken having a higher possibility because Pac-Man is an icon and Tekken is more popular but Tales? No freaking way.

And don't bring up the inclusion of the Earthbound series as a counter argument. Mother is an in-house franchise from Nintendo and after filling their roster with characters from all of their A-list franchises it would make sense that they'd look to their more obscure stuff to expand the roster.

Think of it like this, who is the more likely SEGA character to get in? Sonic or Keil?

 

[8-peacock-8]

No. Saying that a relatively ignored-by-mainstream JRPG has a better chance of seeing a character than a well regarded fighting game series is nonsense. I'll agree with you on Pac-Man and Tekken having a higher possibility because Pac-Man is an icon and Tekken is more popular but Tales? No freaking way.

And don't bring up the inclusion of the Earthbound series as a counter argument. Mother is an in-house franchise from Nintendo and after filling their roster with characters from all of their A-list franchises it would make sense that they'd look to their more obscure stuff to expand the roster.

Think of it like this, who is the more likely SEGA character to get in? Sonic or Keil?

Completely ignoring the fact that the support for characters like Lloyd Irving sky rocketed when it was revealed that the Tales team (They're among the namco guys working on Smash) was helping with SSB4 and when the one guy from the team talked about getting a character in Smash.