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The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

Raziek

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1. You are indeed a better target. Me/macman wanted to lynch you based on what you said early game

2. Thanks, hon. My favorite targets are yourself, Soup, July, and Throne. Soup is the only one who doesn't strike me as a coaster. So be it.
Highly doubt that, given that Macman has literally said nothing other than "lynch Raz" with no reasoning, and played ****ing Hangman. He has literally done NOTHING else.

Show me what I said early game that's pissing you off, because I haven't seen **** for your reasoning.
 

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How about neither, you haven't explained your reasoning on July and I don't see it enough to jump there, and yeah, I know you're marshy but Nabe is in there too and he can at least have the freaking deceny to do so.

I want to like this game, I really do, but I can't like it if I feel like not a single ****ing thing is getting done and we're just gonna be hopping over to inactives to save our sorry *****, all inferno has done is sheep people, I've yet to see him go out on a limb on anything. If it wasn't inferno, I would be on that **** like ****ing no tommorow, but like Inferno, we have a bunch of other bleeding sheeps who just let scum piss all over them. I can tell you with a straight face that I don't see how Seph is even close to town here, along with players like Hetero, when did the mindset become that the biggest talker is always town???? mac is literally the only player i've slightly liked this game, and even then he's gunning for inactives too.

I find myself at both a crossroad and a cliff.
 

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He's definitely not even close to town for me right now, i've yet to see someone give me a solid town-read in this game because people are too scared to do anything, look at the recent votes and notice how they only form because players decide they don't want to do anything but let someone else hopefully win the game for them.
 

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Soup, we need to get a push going in one direction. Neither of us is really sold on the other so turning this into you vs. me doesn't help either of us. Hando's posts have not been the greatest, and given his track record so far (Legend of Mana), I don't know if we can expect him to improve at all.

We need to get a direction and GO somewhere, or Macman/No Hetero is just going to run a train on the inactives, lose the game and go "w/e I had fun hbcyolo2012"
 

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I've tried directions, I tried going for FML and pointed everything I felt could get something going and people decided that it didn't matter at all and I was stuck there was my vote hanging dry, it kind of pissed me off and i'm stuck with these two options because there isn't anything else to work with, everytime I check this thread it's absolutely nothing worth reading, I think i've heard the same lynch choices like ten times now. What happened to Kary? What happened to Kantrip? What changed with them? What the hell changed with anyone? And what about the people that have been putting the effort? July has at least responded sufficiently enough but I still dislike the fact that we're all waiting for her to post again, much like others.
 

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I hereby refuse to contribute to a lynch that contains players who don't establish their place on the wagon.

Anyone else care to join the super townie club of "**** your un-substantiated wagons"? No marshys allowed.

With so many people coasting, it's hard not to start up an inactive lynch. What's your qualm with this, Soup?
 

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Soup, my biggest issue with Hando is his reaction to YouvKantrip.

He came in and said that was SvS and did not substantiate. How that is even REMOTELY possible is beyond me.

WTT pointed out similar things shortly after Hando's post, so we could count on support there. Hando is a wagon I think we can rightfully get rolling.

Kantrip, read over Hando. We need more people to post, but if nothing else we can get this STARTED.
 

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Yes, Raz. Please win this game for all of us. I'm sure your buttsaltiness and ****posts combined will surely lead Town to victory.

Shame I'm at work so you guys can't properly bodied. **** outta hear with your "make a case!!l garbage mentality Kantrip. Your user title is aptly named.
 

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That's why i'm ready to move the day forward, I'm praying to god people will wake up regardless of the lynch and realize you can't just depend on others to win you the game *cough Inferno *cough*, I didn't sign-up to play inactive mafia: all or nothing.

It's my qualm with the fact that nobody is going to detest marshy because they're scared and they're gonna let them buttpiledrive everyone into the ****ing wall until lylo, Hando is scummy in his own way but oh no WTT is apparently scum of the month, and when a voice cries out Why? and nobody answers.
 

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Yes, Raz. Please win this game for all of us. I'm sure your buttsaltiness and ****posts combined will surely lead Town to victory.

Shame I'm at work so you guys can't properly bodied. **** outta hear with your "make a case!!l garbage mentality Kantrip. Your user title is aptly named.
Marshy, I literally do not care about anything you have to say to me at this point, and I WILL NOT respond any further to the level of bashing you're doing. I watched you play Skies of Arcadia without doing ANY of this ****.

You ruined any motivation I had to play OS All-Stars by ****ting on me constantly, and I WILL NOT take it lying down any more. I will not let you **** on MY enjoyment of the game of mafia by constantly bashing me and half the playerlist.

If you continue to do nothing but bash me and spit venom and personal insults, I will make an effort to have you modkilled or force-replaced under Rule 1 (or whichever the verbal abuse rule is). It isn't necessary and you're a better player than having to bash people to get them out of your way.
 

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Like I literally don't buy that every scum just decided to play inactive and hope that town wasn't going to lynch them, I was scum in my last game and I was one of the top posters. I refuse to believe that going the inactive route, on Day One Is going to give us anything at all. This is why I detest the Raz wagon more, but marshy apparently doesn't care for this fact and will use his will to get the lynch, and because we don't have strong-willed players in this game it's going to happen and I'm gonna be lynched by tommorow
 

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Let the record state that despite saying I don't care what Marshy has to say I still want him to substantiate his "scum read" based on my early game posts. If he doesn't, it remains entirely hot air.
 

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Sure thing, Raz.

What a tiring read through. I thought it'd never end. Anyways, here are some reads I can remember, but might I encourage specific questions for me to answer at some point so I can focus some attention at pressing matters when I sit down at my computer.

Kantrip- leaning toward scum. If there was more of a wagon on him now, I'd join that band
NoHetero- absolutely fabulous. Town
WTT- town so far. I get normal vibes from swag kevinm and posty ryker
Kary- I don't think owning up to wall posts was the best suggestion, but I like the effort she's giving at least to do something. Town read so far.
Seph- Simply marvelous, my dear fellow. Carry on with the quest. I like the action. I'm leaning toward town, but I'm not sure quite yet.
Soup- Also not getting the best vibes from him. I could see a scum vs scum fight with kantrip. I'm going with that now.

Vote: Soup

That's about all I remember right now. Check y'all later. Oh yea though Ill be camping Friday afternoon till Saturday afternoon. I might hop on my phone Friday night, but no promises.

:phone:
I do get the scumminess that WTT pointed out from this post, where Handorin is appeasing power players (No Hetero and WTT). I also can understand how Raziek wouldn't like the random SoupvKantplay SvS read, as I don't see what makes my interaction with Soup SvS at all. Basically Handorin's reads are vibes, aside from Kary which has "putting genuine effort into it" as a reason.

Did someone say something about appeasing players I know and buddying? Kinda hypocritical here, brah. Plus, I'm pretty sure I "appeased" and "buddied" those I don't really know and aren't "power players". I'm too tired to actually check though. Laziness wins.
Wow, I didn't actually notice this the first time. Deflecting the accusation of appeasement and leaving with a non-committal "pretty sure you're wrong but too lazy to check". This is gross, actually.

Basically all talk no bite. Basically you have a bunch of haters and they want to lynch you because you seem scummy, but they have a hard time proving it. And then a bunch say they don't like me, but never me. Instead, it goes on the back burner cause it's risky.
This is fine, and actually a pretty good reaction to the accusations against him. What I don't like is how he talks about "[having] a hard time proving [that he's scum]" when he isn't even making an effort to "prove" his reads. Where's the proof behind wagons Handorin is supporting?

So I go camping and get back, and I think the only worth while thing that happened in this thread was that kan role claimed and we decided not to lynch him. Honestly, I'd just have a vig shoot him. It covers our wifom options. It either gets rid of scum (cause he covered his butt with lots of whining and complaining (I don't think this is the case though)) or he gets his wincon. Possibly win/win. But we should also go back to our previous actions now that this fiasco has died down: lynching soup. I'm still not convinced of Raz, but I can look over him tomorrow I guess. Right now I need to sleep.

:phone:
So I've been wondering why there has been a July push for awhile now, especially since I had to search for posts. But regardless of those even, this is pretty bad. If I summed it up, it'd basically be a bunch of outdated reads, regardless of if I agree or not, and he buddies up with some people I at least think are scum, ie. WtT or Soup. But as the game progresses, I've been getting better vibes from Soup, still leaning on the scum side though. I'll unvote for now and see where this July case is going tomorrow after my school orientation.

:phone:
I recall Handorin saying something about Soup getting better at one point, and then he continues to play as if he never said that. He continues to say things like "let's go back to lynching Soup" and what have you, when you'd think a comment like "Soup is getting better" would change his read.

With all that said, why don't we just lynch soup? Not only do we already have 3 on him, but we have just the right amount of haterz to lynch him. He almost got lynched early on now, then he wiggled out and still floats somewhere on people's scumdar. Pretty ideal position if you ask me.

:phone:
Advocating lynching Soup without reasoning. Advocating lynching someone who he found scummy but then "got better". Being a hypocrite whose words don't match his actions. Receiving my vote.

Vote: Handorin
 

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I don't need your seal of approval marshy, but I appreciate that you like my choice of user title.

I think lynching Handorin and having cop on one of WTT/No Hetero would be pretty swell.
 

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I don't need your seal of approval marshy, but I appreciate that you like my choice of user title.

I think lynching Handorin and having cop on one of WTT/No Hetero would be pretty swell.
Holy ****, best post in the game right here.
 

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Like I literally don't buy that every scum just decided to play inactive and hope that town wasn't going to lynch them, I was scum in my last game and I was one of the top posters. I refuse to believe that going the inactive route, on Day One Is going to give us anything at all. This is why I detest the Raz wagon more, but marshy apparently doesn't care for this fact and will use his will to get the lynch, and because we don't have strong-willed players in this game it's going to happen and I'm gonna be lynched by tommorow
What? This game isn't like Deadpool mafia at ALL. No one gave a **** about that game. This one actually has decent content. Not comparable.

There is no Raz wagon, Soup. Also, why does recent play make me likelier to be scum?

I think you're either scum talking out of your *** or just salty that I'm pushing your lynch.
 

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Inferno, Kantplay and Kary are town but they need to learn how to play better.
Seph is leaning town but lately his coolness has dropped, if that keeps up it may start to look like he just did it for the townreads and stopped once he got them.
Soup and Raziek are pretty bro at the moment and I want them alive. Raziek needs to take off his coat and stay a while though, and Soup should get off his armchair and focus his time on telling all the dumb sheeps why scum is scum so they stop following the hard-headed crew.
 

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What? This game isn't like Deadpool mafia at ALL. No one gave a **** about that game. This one actually has decent content. Not comparable.

There is no Raz wagon, Soup. Also, why does recent play make me likelier to be scum?

I think you're either scum talking out of your *** or just salty that I'm pushing your lynch.
Not recent, just something i've been keeping to myself, I've been cautious of you every day but I literally can't find any reason for you to be on my *** this much
 

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No Hetero is a deliberate null, there is no way for me to differentiate between marshy hard-bodying town as scum or being hard-headed as town by not giving the rest of the town any information to work with.
July leans scum, I would be interested in hearing more about her supposed win-condition that forces her to act unlike herself. I don't like her shallow content and questions without follow-up.
WatchTheThrone is null, but they are coasting which is stupid for a slot who came in so strong against inactives to do. It's dangerous to let them do what they're doing, they need to be spurred into action or disposed of.
Handorin is scum as per my ISO.

Other people are either null or forgettable.
 

No Hetero

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omg what is happening
Soup is *****ing hardbody and spouting ******** bull**** and people are buying it. Just like Deadpool mafia. Everyone underestimates that kid.

Kantrip is being Kantplay and is like "cases **** hardbody crew despite everyone on there being obvtown!!" and actually suggested that I be copped.

Raz made a catchup post that sucks because it doesn't have you as town.
 

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Being snagged for League, may be back in tonight, have tomorrow off and will be in for sure.

Marshy, why the **** would Macman be Town?

He has literally done NOTHING other than play hangman and call me scum the WHOLE GAME.
 

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Let the record state that despite saying I don't care what Marshy has to say I still want him to substantiate his "scum read" based on my early game posts. If he doesn't, it remains entirely hot air.
Quoting because you still owe me this.
 

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Marshy or whoever is in there

we lynch raz

and he flips town

what the **** then
 

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Marshy, why the **** would Macman be Town?

He has literally done NOTHING other than play hangman and call me scum the WHOLE GAME.
You WERE playing like scum early game and deserved all that flak and more. His direction is good as well and so is his thought process.
 

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Marshy, Deadpool Mafia was a scum slaughterfest because lynches went through unsubstantiated (Bardull happened before people had even got into the game, WTF is that ****), town blindly followed an "obv-town hard-body crew" (hey look who was on that), and town ate itself alive with a lack of information and ****.

I don't give a **** what you say, reasoning is important. Let's say you get the lynch you want, oh hey look it was a mislynch and now EVERY ****ING LAST PERSON ON THE LYNCH HAS A FREE PASS FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND CAN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE SOME DENSE ****** LIKES LYNCHING WITHOUT CASES.
 

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havent caught up yet but

how the **** has the conversation been shaped as me wanting to lynch inactives? that not at all what i was tryna do. if i did, i'd want jtb gone. idk where that came from
 

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Marshy or whoever is in there

we lynch raz

and he flips town

what the **** then
Move on with our lives and get other scum. Just like in Skies after I incorrectly lynched Mabe D1.

However, Nabe is keeping me on a leash. I'll compromise and say that I'm fine with you/July toDay.
 

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and hando is such an awful play i can't even believe that people want him to go over raz/wtt/jtb
 

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Move on with our lives and get other scum. Just like in Skies after I incorrectly lynched Mabe D1.

However, Nabe is keeping me on a leash. I'll compromise and say that I'm fine with you/July toDay.
and other scum is where
 

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Town literally gains nothing from an inactive lynch in which members of the wagon aren't held responsible for their place on it. D1 scum lynches are nice and all, but they don't happen every game, and when you hit a townie D1 you need to make sure you're not put back at ****ing square one.

@Macman: WHY is Hando an awful play? Because he's your scumbuddy? Or is going for an inactive like raz/wtt/jtb just SO MUCH BETTER?
 

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I don't owe you ****.
You WERE playing like scum early game and deserved all that flak and more. His direction is good as well and so is his thought process.
havent caught up yet but

how the **** has the conversation been shaped as me wanting to lynch inactives? that not at all what i was tryna do. if i did, i'd want jtb gone. idk where that came from
and hando is such an awful play i can't even believe that people want him to go over raz/wtt/jtb
MAN LOOK AT ALL THESE SUBSTANTIATED READS.

:urg:
 

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and hando is such an awful play i can't even believe that people want him to go over raz/wtt/jtb
JTB isn't a play IMO. But yeah, with people like Kantrip who purposely plays like scum and Raz ho refuses to play until I piss him off or D3 hits (whichever comes first) what do you expect other than awful plays?
 
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