The UU MetaGame Discussion Thread

[Terywj [태리]]

This is for the UU / NU players out there.

As I'm sure you all know, Raikou, Froslass, and Gallade were released down to UU from BL in order for some playtesting, and with the Smogon voting complete Gallade is permanently gone from UU, while Raikou and Froslass stay in the UU metagame.

That's not all. Honchkrow was sent along as Gallade's buddy, receiving all votes to BL from the Smogoners and will not return to UU.

Some UU Pokemon weren't used enough and dropped out of the tier into NU. These include Typhlosion, Electrode, Miltank, Espeon, Gardevoir, and Magneton. The latter two were just bumped up from NU in October. Meanwhile, Quilfish, Nidoqueen, Poliwrath, Leafeon and Cloyster jumped up into UU.

And if it wasn't bad enough, Cresselia and Porygon Z got the boot from OU, and have fallen into UU without any direct playtesting.

This, my UU friends, is going to be one helluva round.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

Cressy and Porygon-Z in UU?
Holy ****. I don't think two ducks have ever simultaniously moved tiers before. This is an amazing new revalation.

I know very little about UU, but I can imagine that Substitute variants of Z popping up all over UU, so it doesn't get absolutley ***** by priority, especially to save its *** from Technitop. Maybe somehting like Sub/Tri Attack/TBolt/Ice Beam will get popularity. Also, now that Honchcrow is out of the picture, Zam will have a fighting chance. Probably the removal of Honchcrow will help Cressy become an amazing wall.

As I said, I know almost nothing of UU, but even I can tell that the ducks will either serve dominant in UU, or be banned to BL soon.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Porygon Z is going to abuse alot of sets, although Technitop serves a great counter.

Blaziken, Absol, and Nidoking are going to get more usage as Honchkrow and Gallade, UU's "premier wallbreakers" are gone for good.

Honestly though, Froslass staying UU surprised me. Raikou I didn't mind too much, but I was shocked when people voted for Froslass not leaving.

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I see Porygon-Z heading straight to BL. Cress is a maybe. This is certainly gonna be interesting, to say the least.

I'm really annoyed to see Gallade in BL again. I see an increase in stall teams in the near future.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Gallade wasn't really that much of a problem, I don't understand why it was voted to BL.

I'll never be able to play Gallade in UU again... *Cries*

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Absol is like a crappier Gallade anyways. I guess I'll have to use him as my wallbreaker/late game.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Absol is like a crappier Gallade anyways. I guess I'll have to use him as my wallbreaker/late game.

Gallade > Blaziken > Absol in terms of wallbreaking.

-Terywj

 

[zrky]

How did cress and porygon-z get dropped into UU?
I've never really played UU, but I'm guessing it's gonna be a little hell with Gallade and Honchkrow gone and Cressilia and Porygon put in there. No?

 

[supermarth64]

Gallade > Blaziken > Absol in terms of wallbreaking.

-Terywj

You forgot about Honchkrow lol, even though it's now banned (so is Gallade).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

They were dropped because of their low usage. Cresselia, Heracross, and Porygon Z almost fell out of OU in October with their poor usage ratings.

Heracross wasn't dropped though...I was hoping that if Cresselia dropped at least Heracross would drop with it. But instead we got Porygon Z.

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

My thoughts:

I can see an increase in Chansey for a while, with Porygon-Z going down and all. I think Porygon-Z is going to wreak a lot of havoc there in UU. I'm right now undecided if it is going to be broken or not though.

Cress, I don't think is broken. As I have said before, I really only see it as a good supporter and wall, no more, no less.

Also, I'm not surprised that Gallade and Honchkrow were banned. I could easily see Honchkrow banned a long time ago. Gallade was a bit harder to see, but I could still see it in the end. It was also the one I could see being banned before Raikou or Froslass.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Cresselia will probably outplace Uxie. Although Uxie will still be used on Rain-themed teams.

The common Chansey is 2HKO'd by Tri Attack with Life Orb Porygon Z after a Nasty Plot...while a +2 Life Prb Hyper Beam scores a sure OHKO with Stealth Rock. (94.9% - 111.7%).

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

Cresselia will probably outplace Uxie. Although Uxie will still be used on Rain-themed teams.

The common Chansey is 2HKO'd by Tri Attack with Life Orb Porygon Z after a Nasty Plot...while a +2 Life Prb Hyper Beam scores a sure OHKO with Stealth Rock. (94.9% - 111.7%).

-Terywj

Oh wow, this is going to be one heck of a three month metagame. Though Pory is still counterable from priority and such from Hitmontop and things.

I believe Uxie is still going to be a better lead than Cress, though, so it won't fall too much.

 

[Wave⁂]

The latter two were just bumped up from NU in October. Meanwhile, Quilfish, Nidoqueen, Poliwrath, Leafeon and Cloyster jumped up into UU.

Oh Muk.

Well, there goes ALL of NU's remotely good Toxic Spikers. And half of the Pokemon in the entire tier who can take strong Earthquakes is gone.

Cress, I don't think is broken. As I have said before, I really only see it as a good supporter and wall, no more, no less.

Just a supporter and wall? Oh good, I guess we can move Blissey down to UU.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Might as well bring back Gallade, in that case.

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

Just a supporter and wall? Oh good, I guess we can move Blissey down to UU.

I guess I worded that badly. What I meant is that Cresselia doesn't really do much other than supporting and walling. Why do you think Blissey is falling in OU? It simply becomes set up bait for a ton of things(I guess a more physically offensive metagame as well, but that's not the point). Also, Blissey has way more supporting options than Cress has and has a better typing for its job. Absol has a lot of fun with Cress, Cress does hardly any damage to defensive Venusaur, and a lot of other things. Seriously, said BLISSEY hits harder than it.

 

[UltiMario]

Psychic is a good type for a Wall?
The Pursuit-weak Psychic?

 

[SilentVerse]

Psychic is a good type for a Wall?
The Pursuit-weak Psychic?

Where did I ever say that? I was saying that Psychic was an awful type for a wall.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

With 120/120 stats, Cress won't be taken down that easily by Pursuit. In UU, Cress no longer has to worry about 2 incredibly dangerous Pursuit users. Scizor and Tyranitar. Scizor is dangerous enough as it is, but Tyranitar and it's permanant SS is much, much worse. And with Honchkrow's banishment to UU, I see it becoming even easier for Cress.

I see a usage sun teams coming up, I might actually do one myself.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Psychic is a good type for a Wall?
The Pursuit-weak Psychic?

He said Blissey has more options and has better typing.

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

Actually, I think that keeping Honchkrow wouldn't do as much against Cress as you think. Cress could easily cripple it with Thunder Wave or strike it with an Ice Beam, although Krow's Pursuit /Night Slash/Sucker Punch would be pretty bad for it

A sun team might be interesting to try though...

 

[Pink Reaper]

Chioce Band Absol laughs at your cresselia.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Absol use will go up a TON because of cress falling to UU.

Probably.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh Muk.

Well, there goes ALL of NU's remotely good Toxic Spikers.

The first thing that came to mind when I saw that list.
I'm also surprised because they didn't send Froslass up.

 

[Terrador14]

To be honest, it looks like Houndoom will probably get a usage boost. It can do a subpar Honchkrow with access to a STAB base 90 Atk Sucker Punch and horrifying power in its Fire and Dark special STABs. PERHAPS Pursuit could be viable, but idk. Not to mention the fact that +Spd Doom can outpace all non-scarfed Pory-Z's. Of course, this is ALL theorymon, and since I don't know much about UU, who knows? After looking at the stats, I have a feeling that something that frightens both new entries to UU will easily beat 5 percent (it sat at 4.7 for December '09).

 

[supermarth64]

Actually, I suspect Azumarril to go up. CB Aqua Jet helps check PZ (although it only does like 60% or so max), and can outspeed NP Houndoom.

That and maybe Ambipom because Fake Out + Return should deal a bunch to PZ and it can Taunt Cress.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm predicting tons of LO PoryZs, and with some Stealth Rock damage and Life Orb recoil, they'll be KOd by Aqua Jet.

 

[UltiMario]

This is why I recommened Sub-Z
You can Sub as they switch out, then attack accordingly to do optimal damage. Or Even better, SubNP with Leftovers, at +2 Life Orb doesn't matter, and the leftovers recovery would make it live long enough to take care of business.
Probably Sub/NP/Tri Attack/Ice Beam for optimal coverage.

You've got to think on how you could make Porygon-Z force things out, then not get killed. LO Sub-Z w/ 3 attacks might work if Technitop is too much of a hassle, probably going Adaptability so Tri-Attack hits as hard as possible.

 

[Circa]

Too bad most of UU is stronger on the SDef side than the Def side. Specs/ScarfZ with Download would be freaking ****.

Or so I think. Note that I know little to nothing about UU. DX

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Houndoom does have (when compared to Blaziken) STAB to hit Slowbro with super-effectively..

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Early Bird
Modest
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
~ Nasty Plot
~ Fire Blast
~ Dark Pulse
~ Hidden Power [Grass]

Actually SolarBeam (which obviously punishes Milotic more) inplace of Hidden Power and Sunny Day could be effective. I know Legacy Raider of Smogon posted a similar Arcanine set and it worked well.

-Terywj

 

[verycoolguy]

I think Porygon-Z would be really effective, if it just goes the set of Substitute+3 attacks, with the Download ability. Come in on a Pokemon with higher defense than special defense, and Sub on the switch. A Downloaded Tri attack hits harder than an Adaptability Tri Attack.

I don't like Sub and Nasty Plot, because of minimal coverage and if it uses Sub to protect itself from priority, and if the Sub breaks as it Nasty Plots, Porygon-Z will lose.

 

[kirbyraeg]

considering that most of UU is weaker physically than specially, I could see a mixed sweeper set working very well.

Porygon-Z @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Download
Naive/Hasty
36 Atk/252 Spe/220 SpAtk
Nasty Plot/Agility/Tri Attack
Return
Dark Pulse
HP Fighting

get a +1 atk boost and sweep with a mixed attacker or stat up on a switch.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Porygon Z also has Sharpen at his disposal.

Edit: I posted this on the Leaderboard thread but I think more people will see it here. How many people here would be interested in having / joining a UU Leaderboard?

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

He does have sharpen, but if you can get the +1 physical boost via Download, then why not use (arguably) a more useful boosting move instead? I'd rather have +1/+2 compared to +1/+1 or +2/+0 as they switch to their counter, particularly if they switch in a special wall like Chansey (who will be easily broken by a +1 stab return).

 

[Circa]

Question! As I don't really know anything about UU, I want someone to answer me this. What was standing in the way of Miltank being frequently used in UU? D: I want to use it because I <3 the little cow, but...I want to know why it's not really used. It makes me skeptical.

EDIT: My guess is that the game is relatively special-based, and it shines more in the physical side. Am I right?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Question! As I don't really know anything about UU, I want someone to answer me this. What was standing in the way of Miltank being frequently used in UU? D: I want to use it because I <3 the little cow, but...I want to know why it's not really used. It makes me skeptical.

EDIT: My guess is that the game is relatively special-based, and it shines more in the physical side. Am I right?

To be honest I didn't really see any Miltank (as explained by it falling into NU) but I thought it was a good Pokemon. Being relatively bulky, access to Heal Bell, and an amazing ability in the form of Scrappy made me think of it as a good subpar stat Pokemon. So I don't know why usage dropped? Who knows? It might be one of those "in and out" Pokemon, like Magneton, Nidoqueen, and Gardevoir.

There is nothing wrong about using NU in UU, if that's what you meant when you said you wanted to use it.

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I was actually just Theorymoning a Miltank with Toxic Orb, a STAB, 140BP attack that can also hit Ghosts would be deadly. And on top of that, Miltank also has a reliable way to Heal themselves and/or clear their status. I'll test it out.

But I think the main problem with Miltank is it's rather... average attack, and it lacks a way to stat-up outside of Curse, which lowers it's great speed stat.

 

[Circa]

Well my reasoning for being skeptical of using Miltank is more like how I think when making an OU team. I rarely use BL or below because my mind typically makes me think that there's a reason they're not in OU, and it probably involves another Pokemon being better at doing their job. Thus, I try to find what's optimal for the position I need filled. I'm guessing that doesn't apply quite as much to UU though from the way you said that...so I guess I'll be fine with using Miltank.

I'm thinking I might experiment with some sets for it too and see what comes out. It seems to have a pretty vast movepool, so finding something that was previously overlooked shouldn't be too hard (like Block).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah, sorry if I coudln't help much. XD
I see no cows. I'd rather see it than Chansey though.

And actually, I haven't seen too many of those either.

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

Well I'm guessing with Honchkrow and Gallade running around Chansey really couldn't find an easy way to come in and actually do something, so people probably left it off their team. And now that there's Crissy...well, you can probably figure that one out. It's pretty much a lot more reliable to use than Chansey, thanks to it being good in ALL defensive stats.