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Richter and Ken were definitely a great start. A part of me is just silently hoping SEGA saw how well they were received and how people are upset over Shadow and want Sakurai to Echo him in sometime in the future, but that's entirely a dream scenario.IMO, I don't think Shadow is going to be part of DLC (if that is even a possibility) but I like to think and hope that perhaps one day, he COULD join Richter and Ken's examples and be a character (echo or otherwise).
Sakurai has clearly stated that this is indeed his last Smash game that he is directing overall (so it is his swansong), he also mentioned that if a new Smash were to be made, not all of the current 3rd party franchises will be brought back, my guesses as to whom might get dropped include:
They're not going to cut Sonic but keep Bayonetta. Sega and Nintendo had Mario crossover in an Olympics Sports series that also required acquiring the rights of not just both sides but also the Olympics itself to do together 4 times and soon will be 5 (Though they did skip the recent Korean Olympics. We know they already have the license for 2020) for peace sake. Just because Sonic didn't get a 2nd character this time around doesn't mean that much about Sonic's future in Smash.
Not to sound rude but you're a little delusional if you seriously think Sonic would be cut in favour of Bayonetta. Even beyond all the sports games he's had with Mario, it's Sonic the ****ing Hedgehog.
Even when the situation seems bad, people always find hope in that kind of way. Love it. Reminds me when people began modding characters like Ridley in the game. And then good will hit us. Amazing. Hopefully Shadow gets lucky like this at one point~
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Heck, there are mods for Pokemon Let's Go, already! Mizumi, who is famous for making Shadow an alt in Smash Wii U, already made an Ash Ketchum costume for the male character.Even when the situation seems bad, people always find hope in that kind of way. Love it. Reminds me when people began modding characters like Ridley in the game. And then good will hit us. Amazing. Hopefully Shadow gets lucky like this at one point~
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After watching that I feel even more comfortable about Shadow sharing a moveset with Sonic.
That’d totally be a Sakurai thing to do.
"30 open slots"
There could always be a season two but I still doubt Shadow will be dlc because his assist trophy status. But I will never stop supporting the character.
I'm not delusional, Sega has been treating Sonic very badly regarding what they want in for their Smash Bros content and as a series as whole (no 2nd character, but has 2 stages, 2 ATs (one of which should have been playable from the get-go), look at Bayonetta's series compared to Sonic's, they've been treating her far better as if she was the new mascot right now (she doesn't have nearly as many games compared to Sonic, but they've been doing her the right way (which is what they should have done with Sonic once the 3D era began), it clearly shows that Sega does not care at all for their fans.
Sonic having 2 stages and 2 ATs is excellent. He's the only third party series in Smash Ultimate with two stages to his name, a feat not even Pac-Man was able to accomplish. Having two ATs, while disappointing that one wasn't playable, still shows that SEGA was willing to negotiate use of their characters in a greater manner. The series also has an impressive amount of Spirits, going so far as to get characters like Gamma and even the Werehog.
Windy Hill was probably just SEGA trying to promote Lost World. I heavily doubt it was a Sakurai pick.
I agree with this. Tbh I rather have a City Escape stage than windy hill.
That's not the point I was making. My point is that Green Hill Zone and Windy Hill Zone both returned in Ultimate when they could have easily picked one or the other.
Promoting Lost World on what? The Wii U version that most have put their Wii U's collecting dust? The Steam versions that's not on a Nintendo system? I think they just returned it because Sega said yes to it as a returning stage from Smash 4.
It's only a matter of time then. Assuming Nintendo doesn't crack down hard on mods I'll be getting a lot of music in too (in particular I think Glyphic Canyon will sound really nice on Gerudo Valley).
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Pfft, I wouldn't even worry about that. When it comes to online, Nintendo is very terrible at it.
From what I gather, Nintendo was very surprised at the negative reactions to Isaac returning as an Assist and Mii costume, but aren't going to consider promoting him for Wave One.
That’s saddening to hear about Isaac though it sounds like Sakurai didn’t see him as relevant enough. I’m pretty sure he will get his promotion one day. As for Shadow I’m still going to support him regardless. I hope others don’t give up and remain vocal and hopefully Nintendo sees that we want the ultimate lifeform to join smash.
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Judging from that I'm guessing the same was likely applied to Shadow (and other AT's). So, in other words, Shadow never even had a chance. He was likely decided as an AT in the beginning of the game's development. Any teasing about Shadow may have been unintentional, but if that's the case Sakurai really is an oblivious guy. I guess we can hope for a potential wave 2. Even if Shadow doesn't make it in, I do hope Issac fans eventually get their day. I thought for sure he'd make it in considering his popularity and support during the ballot. I feel for them more than I do for us. Anyways, here's hoping our characters see their day in the future.
We know K. Rool got in because of the ballot, but the rest is really unknown. I did vote for Shadow back then but most Sonic fans were pushing for Tails or Eggman at the time as Shadow was in AT hell still.
The case seems to be that Sakurai chose characters that were either; Nintendo characters and/or veterans. There's no doubt at all that characters like Ice Climbers, Snake, and Wolf were highly requested in the ballot due to their omission in 4. Hell, I even voted for Wolf and was hoping he'd be DLC. K. Rool and Ridley have long history with Nintendo and have been requested for ages. Isabelle is popular, Chrom was also widely requested after his treatment in 4. Simon is a iffy character, but he has been requested since the Brawl days and possibly even longer. And he has a history with Nintendo as well. In Shadow's case, I believe he was high in the ballot but third parties are a roll of the dice when it comes to representation. Sakurai might want to add him, but the end of the day it's up to Sega. I still believe that's why he isn't playable. I do agree that if Shadow was always planned to be an Assist Trophy that the hints were unintentional. It seems that every third party has at least two Assist Trophies each, and Shadow and Knuckles were the top picks; one that actively fights and another that affects the match.
Mostly to please the portion of the fans who wanted more of the Classic Era of Sonic rather than Modern (and to tie it as a direct prequel to Sonic Forces), which has lately been what Sega's been pushing for a while now since Generations (I know Classic Sonic wasn't in Lost World, but the game itself felt more like it belonged in the Classic Era rather than the Modern Era (plus most of the ides for the gameplay were taken from Sonic X-treme, a famous canceled game that was supposed to be Sonic's answer to Super Mario 64), Sega's trying too hard to please both sides of the Sonic Fandom these days.
This bodes very well for the Tails fanbase then, seeing as Sakurai is is pulling from the classic era of video gaming (which is where Tails is from), not the modern era (which is where Shadow is directly tied to), seeing as Tails does meets the requirements to be in Wave 1:
Of course he didn't see him as relevant enough, GS is one of Nintendo's smallest and most unknown IPs that they have right now (which was only recently re-added as a Nintendo IP just for this game), until GS gets a brand new game with Issac as the star and gets recognized as one of Nintendo's best IPs, that's when he'll get promoted, but until then, AT forever.
Admittedly one thing that's crossed my mind is Classic Sonic. Everyone knows how much he's been getting pushed again ever since Generations in 2011, and I feel like if Sakurai wanted a second Sonic character he'd likely vouch for Tails or Shadow. SEGA on the other hand would toss aside both and push for Classic Sonic, which Sakurai would in turn reject given how much Sonic's moveset takes from Classic already. Neither could come to an agreement, so Tails was Spirited while Shadow returned to AT status.
Yeah, I'm kind of sick of Classic Sonic showing up in every modern game too. It's not needed. Let modern be its own thing.
Yeah, though in this case I don't mind because Smash generally celebrates Sonic's history as it does for most other franchises.
I just love that Sonic 06's theme is not only in Smash in some way, but also Sonic's victory theme. I love how we have references to more than one Sonic game, not just classic. Despite not liking Unleashed, and admittedly the music didn't do as much for me, I'm glad it has content too(though the story was pretty sweet, heh). I could go on for other games.
