micahclay
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Fair enough, didn't realize it had fixed knockback. Thanks.
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The Sword of Seals - Roy Moveset + Frame Data (incomplete)
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Gimmick-Hater
Smash Apprentice
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I'm not a huge fan of how he's still a clone. I mean seriously. Sure he has a few unique animations, but I'm still disappointed with the way he turned out. Let's look at his move set for a second...
-His only unique smash is his side smash. The rest are just variation on Marth's.
-His up special is just a multiple hitting variation of the dolphin slash.
-His neutral special is basically just Ike's neutral special.
-He still has the dancing blade and counter.
-All of his aerials are all basically Marth's. His D-air? That's just the same as Ike's!
So basically Roy went from being a Marth clone to being a Marth and Ike clone. Seriously?
-His only unique smash is his side smash. The rest are just variation on Marth's.
-His up special is just a multiple hitting variation of the dolphin slash.
-His neutral special is basically just Ike's neutral special.
-He still has the dancing blade and counter.
-All of his aerials are all basically Marth's. His D-air? That's just the same as Ike's!
So basically Roy went from being a Marth clone to being a Marth and Ike clone. Seriously?
Vipermoon
King Marth's most trusted advisor.
I'm just going to say this: He's WAYY less of a clone than we expected
sparkaura
Smash Apprentice
If you're gonna compare movesets at least dive deeper and look at the properties of Roy vs Marths moves. Roy is decloned for the most part and fits a completely different niche in comparison to Marth. Of course if you look at soley their moveset animations, of course Roy's gonna seem like a complete clone. Same thing could be applied to Fox vs Falco, Mario vs Luigi vs Doc, etc. Plus T3H PH1R3!
Hellrazor
Wants to Watch the World Burn
Nintendo could've put in more effort, sure, but I think there were a slew of reasons why they didn't 100% differentiate him from the Marth. They wanted him to stay faithful to a degree toward his Melee design, probably, and they also wanted him pumped out quickly to rake in the revenue. Starting with Marth as a base and editing from there was obviously the easiest option. I'm very much satisfied, however. I didn't want him to change so much that he felt like a different character, so this much of a decloning process to the state of semi-clone was enough for my tastes.
Blazer looks beautiful and not like a recolored Dolphin Slash w/ fire poofs, the usmash actually has special fire effects on the blade this time, and his aerials have a completely unique flair and utility from Marth. As far as dair goes, that was bound to be identical to another swordfighter's regardless. Can't exactly be too diverse in that move. Making Roy the fastest FE character was a really nice touch, highlighting his combo power, and his fast fall property gives his aerials entirely new uses (nair is actually worth using, and is really damn good)!
I have two gripes though: DED and Flare Blade. DED should have gotten unique animations to some degree, and Flare Blade should NEVER have turned into orange Eruption. The simple, charged overhead was perfect (a small explosion when it touched ground would've been cool, but not necessary).
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Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
It was training mode :S.
DunnoBro
The Free-est
Seems like Jab > Jump-Canceled Upsmash works pretty well, since it catches air dodges and jumps too. Just be careful about their height... (Got kneed going for this 
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Jab > RAR Bair seems to work pretty well too.
)Jab > RAR Bair seems to work pretty well too.
L9999
Smash Champion
At 100%, if you Dthrow and quickly use Blazer, it will kill on the top platforms of BF and Dreamland 64.
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ArikadoSD
the cream of the crop
I tried doing that but it never comboed. weird because jab fair combos (and it's pretty good)
Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
Do you mean Blazer? Also that can be DIed and Air Dodged.
ShortRound
Smash Cadet
Sometimes I can bait people to air dodge after I down throw, which lets me charge up a forward smash. So if I'm near the ledge, it can lead to a kill occasionally.
ShortRound
Smash Cadet
Up-B is great. I love it. It has pretty good kill power, and I love using it out of shield. I use it pretty often. Plus, super armor is pretty rad.
SuperSwagBros
Smash Apprentice
Same thing happened to me. It was also on a fox charging a down smash lol
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Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
Basically, rage + charging means death.
SuperSwagBros
Smash Apprentice
Lol idk its wierd. It might just have to do with fox and the frame that the up b hits in rage.
DunnoBro
The Free-est
It isn't a true combo, but they'd need to mash air dodge for it not to work. It's only off by 1-2 frames from true comboing, hence why even when jab > fair doesn't true combo, it usually works.
If they show a habit of buffering air dodge after a jab, you can do upsmash or even kara fsmash.
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GenericName12345
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It's definitely not just fox. It works on most characters while they're charging a smash attack provided you have a lot of rage.
SuperSwagBros
Smash Apprentice
xD That's hilarious. I need to find out how to do it consistently lol xD
Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
Just have at least 100 rage, the opponent must be charging a Smash (or be around full jump height) and make sure not to hit with the last hit of Up-B. Can be done in the air or in the ground, just make sure you don't hit with the last hit (reverse it).
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ArikadoSD
the cream of the crop
Jab fair actually true combos at higher percents
edit: actually also got jab to rar bair to work at higher percents in training against Roy, so this is interesting.
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roymustang1990-
Smash Ace
What are the exact percentages for jab to fair string? if you remember.
Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
Depends on the opponents weight. Probably 80%+ is a good mark for true combo.
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LuLLo
Smash Ace
Sourspot uair is also a good setup, it combos into utilt and ftilt somewhere after 100%. If you sourspot uair when the opponent is above you in the air, it also leaves them in an awkward position where they can jump out, airdodge and attack. Read this, and get that fsmash . Fast falled sweetspot uair against a grounded opponent combos into uair/fair/bair till over 100%, so that can also be used.
. Fast falled sweetspot uair against a grounded opponent combos into uair/fair/bair till over 100%, so that can also be used.
Heropon_Riki
Smash Cadet
Hey guys, I've been labbing this out, and it seems like approaching with Roy's up air can yield into some great combos. They use the weak hit of up air, which does little aerial knock back. This means you can combo this hit into a grab, uptilt, or up smash. This is particularly useful as it opens up opportunities purposefully using one of Roy's weak hits to open up more combos, as opposed to strong ones.
ArikadoSD
the cream of the crop
Heropon_Riki
Smash Cadet
Mix it up and try and land behind them?
ArikadoSD
the cream of the crop
They still have enough time to turnaround grab or at least shield drop and punish with a tilt or something. Uair doesn't autocancel.
edit: also some characters can do something oos (up b or any aerial) and punish.
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Leoinu
Banned via Warnings
Title, cant tell where it spikes.
SafCar
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This, hit anywhere but the hilt and he knocks them horizontally away from him.
ArikadoSD
the cream of the crop
It can send them upwards too, actually got killed from high up because of that. Not sure when it does that though.
MarioMeteor
Smash Hero
I've found that most of my kills come from me down throwing, the opponent air dodging, and then me forward smashing them.
Blazer is also a very reliable KO option.
DED can KO if you do forward > forward > up > forward because you'll always hilt it.
If you can read the opponents get-up option, down air is probably going to KO them at high percents.
Other than that, Roy doesn't have many kill setups, and many of his KOs come from brute strength alone.
Blazer is also a very reliable KO option.
DED can KO if you do forward > forward > up > forward because you'll always hilt it.
If you can read the opponents get-up option, down air is probably going to KO them at high percents.
Other than that, Roy doesn't have many kill setups, and many of his KOs come from brute strength alone.
Dougiebone
Smash Rookie
I have gotten a kill when they were on the platform. KB is a thing.
Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
Not even close, lol
SuperSwagBros
Smash Apprentice
Sheik then Rosalina, Diddy has been through too many nerfs lol
Chiroz
Tier Lists? Foolish...
In no specific order:
Sheik, Rosalina, Luigi, Sonic, Mario, Yoshi, Fox, Pikachu, Ness and Diddy (yes even after the nerfs) are all very strong. Roy is definitely behind all those chars. There are some other chars which are good, but IDK how they compare to Roy, they are basically in the same "level", Roy could be higher or lower than any of these: Falcon, ZSS, Wario, MK, Olimar. And then there are the chars that people think will eventually be strong and climb the tier list like Peach and Shulk and who knows about buffed chard like Falco.