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Seeing as planning stages began in July 2014 for XC2, it's definitely possible character designs for the leads were finished
Yes, I've seen this theorized, and I agree that it's not impossible. But since the project plan was finished in late 2015, one has to wonder how far back it goes before it was started. If I recall, Sakurai once said the first thing they do is decide on the roster, and the further back in the year you go, the less likely it is that Sakurai had enough info on Xenoblade 2 to be comfortable with penciling them in as opposed to representing X which was fresh in everybody's minds at the time.
I'm almost positive all the third-party DLC characters were licensed for both Smash 4 and Ultimate simultaneously, Nintendo is not that myopic when there's a project plan being drafted concurrently. Moreover, the ballot being used primarily for future reference meant, in all likelihood, a future was planned prior to the ballot.
Isn't Bill responsible for the localization of Nintendo games, I assume he is translating and making changes to the game for western audiences so I'd assume he know which characters are in the game. He's just trying to make the timing of reveals seem more mysterious as he's not allowed to give any specific information regarding that
treehouse also needs to get dubbed VAs together for every character, so unrevealed characters likely may also need additional voicework outside Marth, Roy, and Ike
I don't think the newcomers were promotional. The marketing focused on Sm4sh and took advantatge of the characters to promote titles they were. For example, with Rosalina they advertised Mario 3D world, despite her appearence was anecdotal. If it was promotional, characters like Little Mac or Shulk wouldn't be included, when they were heavy requested by the fans.
Do you think they are translating the game right now? Personally, I don't think that they'll have the "finished game" until september, tbh. In other cases I could say yes, but considering the Sakurai's annoyance regarding the sm4sh leaks, I can see they're being paranoid with this game. Even with the demo translation there has been leaks... and they only included Ridley as an unknown character.
Well there was a picture going around showing a timeline of when the characters were created and Rex and Pyra weren't on it so from that timeline we know know they were designed before April 2016. Now considering Smash's project plan was done on December the timeline for their creation does have a chance at being early enough for the game and considering Blades were designed pretty early I think they had a rough idea of how they wanted to XBC2 to play out. It's not the best chances any character has had but they still are possible. It's a long shot sure I was just saying not to completely dismiss them as stranger things have happened.
You don't think Elma is a possibility?
I think she's a possibility but most characters are a possibility but that doesn't mean they'll get in. I just don't think Elma will be in Ultimate.
DoneAdd me to the support list for Isaac, I think he's really cool and has great moveset potential
Hmm... Isaac is a consistent Top 10/Top 5, who'd have thought?
Double-edged sword with encouraging statistics like these. More reason and evidence to believe that Isaac has a fighting chance for this game, but that doesn't keep expectations and a hopeful heart in check very well.Hmm... Isaac is a consistent Top 10/Top 5, who'd have thought?
I mean who cares about a character from a best selling series who hasn't been seen for 8 years?Double-edged sword with encouraging statistics like these. More reason and evidence to believe that Isaac has a fighting chance for this game, but that doesn't keep expectations and a hopeful heart in check very well.
Same issue and (hopefully) similar popularity. Would be nice to douse the relevancy argument with two shining examples right here. C'mon Sakurai, if the demand is there... your ballot should see some good use. That's what this game's newcomers are influenced by, right?I mean who cares about a character from a best selling series who hasn't been seen for 8 years?
It's far easier to bring King K.Rool back however. Isaac needs his whole franchise revived. DK already has it's franchise "sort of" running. Not as big as it used to, shamefully, but the situation is drastically different. Plus, the SNES DKC games are considered as classics, and DKC1 was on the SNES Mini.I mean who cares about a character from a best selling series who hasn't been seen for 8 years?
In reality, either one creates a ripple effect that would lead to the other happening, but assuming that choosing one means the other would never happen... is it selfish of me to prefer having Isaac in Ultimate? I mean, we don't know what direction Camelot would take the series in or if it would even be a good successor since they seem uninterested in making RPGs.
Good point. And this is just a theory so don't worry about sounding selfish. I am kinda torn between both choices honestly. Am not sure if Isaac in Ultimate would lead towards a new Golden Sun game however. I mean, Ice Climbers have been in 2 Smash games before Ultimate, Ultimate being their 3rd time.. and still no new game. Sheik also wasn't used again till Hyrule Warriors, and even Ganondorf isn't exactly a major character in Zelda anymore. Smash also didn't result in a new Punch Out game, or even F-Zero or MOTHER. Not even MOTHER 3 will see the light in the West, despite being a major request, and Lucas will hit 3-time veteran status with Ultimate. Same with Roy and Fire Emblem 6 (although am confident he'll get there eventually).
The difference between Golden Sun and Ice Climber is that the leader of Camelot has said they'd consider making another Golden Sun if demand was high enough. Having Isaac in Smash could, though there's no guarantee, increase demand for the franchise.
To me, the buzz that surrounds Isaac's presence in Smash would be what convinces Camelot it's worth the effort. They went out of their way to say that demand would be what would make it happen. It certainly takes more than a couple of hands on deck to make it a reality, but if Camelot sees the potential profit, they'd at least try.
In addition to what has been said about an active IP vs. an inactive one, the popularity of K. Rool in Japan is what I believe lines him up for his shot. Isaac seems more niche there in comparison.I mean who cares about a character from a best selling series who hasn't been seen for 8 years?
I'd kill for a brand new Golden Sun but I personally feel Smash is more important in cementing the franchise's legacy in Nintendo history and the legendary status of the GBA entries since it has done the same for series like Earthbound, Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem etc. Plus I've been curious to see how the official Smash games would handle Isaac's moveset for ages. Also we'll likely have a new variety of fans who would want to get into the games and naturally begging Nintendo for a fourth Golden Sun.
That seems like the sort of question an evil genie would ask me, only to end up screwing me over. On the surface it appears that one would lead to the other, but I can’t help but imagine the worst possible outcome.
Really, the fear for me is there's too much ballot competition and not enough time to include them all. We don't know how many more newcomers remain and how many of them come from the ballot.
I don't think that's the real question to be honest. We know Sakurai kinda lied when he talked about Bayonetta winning the Ballot, thanks to the datamining done on the games.
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally aware that it's not as simple as "win the ballot, you're in". There are other factors at play, like needing a moveset and having obtainable rights. My concern doesn't lie with being at the very top. I'm just concerned about how close to the top he actually is. I doubt they're going to get overly selective with the process because how far down can you really go without stretching the purpose of it being a ballot character? I honestly would be shocked to see a character below top 10 or 15 overall (once you filter out those that aren't realizable nor negotiable) get chosen.
I understand what you mean then.
I think a lot of the time, people arguing for Ayumi Tachibana or Mach Rider are blinded by the fact that Sakurai mentioned them personally.
Geno got acknowledged through a costume which is pretty big for such an obscure character.
Yeah, that too. Geno has two big things going for him: he got a Mii Costume, and Sakurai mentioned in an interview that he, personally, wanted to have him in Smash Bros.
And as much as I don't care for Geno, I will admit that if he's revealed as one of the next couple newcomers, it could really be a boon to the chances of K. Rool and Isaac. If Sakurai is willing to go out of his way to get the rights to a 25 year old character from a series that has not at all needed their presence to succeed, then it shows that he's willing to look past potential irrelevance and casual obscurity.
