The Strongest Power )Comes from Nothing(

[Teran]

Technically I could justify infracting that, so don't push it.

 

[FoxBlaze71]

Actually drug trade has been pretty ****ing prevalent for forever, we also had things like slavery and women being used as property, but yeah keep telling yourself that PORN is what is killing us morally. Suuuuure.

Maybe some of us aren't ****ing perverted ********s.

 

[Vinylic.]

Technically I could justify infracting that, so don't push it.

You sound so much worse than f8tal's infracts right now. I'm going to strict the **** out. So I won't get insta-banned.

 

[frotaz37]

The internet is A HARD JOB.

Regarding the OP, the strongest power comes from large amounts of money/large amounts of explosives. Unfortunately any power we have as an individual is mostly irrelevant in todays world.

 

[Alien Vision]

I'm not saying it's a pointless claim.
The problem is, you attack anyone who questions the things you say, which comes off as you being unwilling to examine your own claim critically. You're so pointlessly defensive about your vagueness that it makes communicating with you way more tiresome than communicating with anyone should be. (YES .....that's just an opinion.)



Can you experience god?
Surely if you say you can do every single thing a religious person can do, you can do this, right?

Also, how do you know you can do everything a religious person can do without their god?
Have you "had" their god?

It's pointless because I cannot support it by the means you wish me to support it. It's not pointless to me because I am structuring it from what I believe in, my passion for what I want, and to express a beneficial element to life that we have long abandoned.

I attack everyone because they drown me in all of their terms and act like their terms defeat every single thing I say like you are that ship from space invaders, and everything I spout are the space invaders. I'm sick of. I am a human being and I will get pissed when you tell me you have a solid claim, when you don't and it's just as fallacious as mine.

If it's an opinion. Even if it was fact. I will continue sharing my belief at a very high level since it's the ONLY time I am able to have people take me seriously. I'm tired of acting like I am this humble person and people think I have a god-complex. I don't. I just want a better understanding of this world, and it's people. Especially when they hide under their fallacious reasoning.

I don't need to experience God. I've seen plenty of religious folks, and I see how they are happy.. but they aren't happy because of themselves. They are happy because this ''god'' is watching over them.

You know what?

Why should I use my hands to prAy, when I can use them to something COMPLETELY constructive. When I can COUNT on myself. I have legs. I have the passion. The heart. The soul. I don't need a God.

Why should I look up to this ''god'' to protect me, when I can protect myself, and THOSE around me.

You can't answer any of this without dwelling into my fallacious ocean of judgment, or spouting rhetorical BS I hear 1000's of times.

 

[Alien Vision]

The internet is A HARD JOB.

Regarding the OP, the strongest power comes from large amounts of money/large amounts of explosives. Unfortunately any power we have as an individual is mostly irrelevant in todays world.

Actually.. That's only prominent because we as people cower in fear and let these people take over our world in the ****ing first place. There are billions of us, and thousands of them.

Do the math.

EDIT: **** DOUBLE POST. -.-

 

[frotaz37]

You can't answer any of this without dwelling into my fallacious ocean of judgment, or spouting rhetorical BS I hear 1000's of times.

In other words, stop responding to you because you're just going to continue to be a huge **** while not even considering that anything I'm saying is worth thinking about. Why do you even post if you're going to so belligerently encourage people to stop responding to you?

If you're not gonna give reasons for why you think the things you do, don't expect what you think to be taken seriously by anyone....especially if you aren't willing to examine your own beliefs in a critical manner. That's the only reason I brought up religion in the manner I did, because there are religious people out there who will violently defend what they believe in without even giving a reason for believing it. I'm not trying to turn this into some debate about god.

You seem to think that all criticism is negative and that it's somehow an attack on your person. And you call yourself a philosopher?

 

[Alien Vision]

Listen Frotaz. You are the one implying I am a terrible person to argue with, etc. Yet people don't mind arguing with me, it's just you and sometimes a few others. Nice strawman argument.

My entire belief revolves around one thing that every religion, and person has abandoned.
Ourselves.

People turn to power, money, intelligence.
Religions turn to Gods.
Some people turn to otherwordly creatures like ghosts, aliens, vampires, werewolves.
Some people turn to luck, and destiny.
I turn to myself.
-Everyday ****ing single damn day.

As fallacious as my reasoning is, it shows alot of promise regardless. I mean, really.. It actually supports the very thing that allows us to even define life, or do the things we do in life.

Oh.. Yea! I won't kill or murder anyone if they attack my beliefs because I am not afraid of being wrong.. But, I will scream your head off if you keep pounding me with blanket statements that just have a cherry ontop with a smiley face.

IT's sad because THEY can't advance.

I CAN.

Get @ me. Your terms, and your lack of faith in the real thing is pernicious towards our very will to survive as who we are.

 

[frotaz37]

I don't even know what you're talking about.

 

[Alien Vision]

What is there to not understand?

I believe in myself, and the people.

Not god.

Not creatures.

Not objects.

Not power.

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AND ONLY YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[frotaz37]

That has nothing to do with my point though.

I believe in something that you can't prove. GTFO if you don't like it. My gut tells me something is there, the puzzle pieces are there, things do come together in a very convoluted, immaterial sense. IT'S STILL THERE, AND THAT IS WHAT MATTERS. If you can't hold dreams that exceed ''reality'', than that is your own damn fault.

Remember when you said this? This is what I'm talking about.

Having a feeling something is there is fine but you can't expect others to simply accept the things you say without thinking about them critically. And if you don't want your thoughts and ideas to be examined critically, why post them at all? People are critical about ideas, it's the way things are. If you say things, people will question those things.

Treating people like they're doing something wrong by questioning your ideas is counter-productive.
And you know what? Treating people like they are somehow flawed because they don't understand your vague attempts to be deep is called being dumb.

 

[Zook]

Listen Frotaz. You are the one implying I am a terrible person to argue with, etc. Yet people don't mind arguing with me, it's just you and sometimes a few others. Nice strawman argument.

My entire belief revolves around one thing that every religion, and person has abandoned.
Ourselves.

People turn to power, money, intelligence.
Religions turn to Gods.
Some people turn to otherwordly creatures like ghosts, aliens, vampires, werewolves.
Some people turn to luck, and destiny.
I turn to myself.
-Everyday ****ing single damn day.

As fallacious as my reasoning is, it shows alot of promise regardless. I mean, really.. It actually supports the very thing that allows us to even define life, or do the things we do in life.

Oh.. Yea! I won't kill or murder anyone if they attack my beliefs because I am not afraid of being wrong.. But, I will scream your head off if you keep pounding me with blanket statements that just have a cherry ontop with a smiley face.

IT's sad because THEY can't advance.

I CAN.

Get @ me. Your terms, and your lack of faith in the real thing is pernicious towards our very will to survive as who we are.

Why can't people believe in themselves and a higher power? Most religions encourage people to move towards a personal perfection of sorts, it's not like they're all just saying "Herp derp, accept God inna yer life an' all will be good!" Of course there are some people like that, but most aren't.

Aren't you the same guy who lashed out at everyone for assuming things about you when you first crawled onto this site?

Oh, the irony.

 

[frotaz37]

Yeah Zook, exactly.
Believing in god doesn't make you automatically believe in yourself less.
The self is a major part of most religions, if not all of them.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Maybe some of us aren't ****ing perverted ********s.

1.)Way to completely dodge my point that humans have not magically gotten more immoral over the years, in fact there were times where we were arguably WORSE.

2.)Getting off to hot women (or men I guess) is perverted to you? Are you 12?

 

[Alien Vision]

@ Zook, That's why they turn to him, instead of themselves right?

The entire religion is a damn fallacy and I have not seen ONE TINY little evidence to see that this man who has endless power being existent. It's also funny how other people who imagine things with SUPER amazing powers. I'm starting to think people feel special that they can ''see'' things, and ''hear'' things. Yep. That is what I think it is. It's attention whoring, having no hope for themselves, fear, and ****ing control in the end. THATS ALL IT IS. :o While WE are a HUMAN BEING that is a living thing everyday that can be proven, and can hold EVERY SINGLE ****ing hope, faith, and make a positive change WITHOUT GOD. I'm starting to think people use god as a leverage to grant them strength they don't have too.

Want to say otherwise, be my guest. Not my fault you guys defend these people and their ridiculous claims about God, and yet you can't defend me? When I am just searching dilligently for an answer to this world's non-advancing ignorance that has plagued our ****ing race.

@ Frotaz, I've said it a thousand times. What I believe in cannot be defined in words. It comes from my heart, and my passion to find what is blinding us from advancing, and it seems religion is a part of it. Doesn't religion run major parts of this world, anyways? They are the ones who created our economy, aren't they? They don't receive taxes. Lolol. I also seem to remember that alot of the beginning presidents were religious aswell. So it makes you wonder if christianity has made a bigger impact in a BAD way. Wasn't Christianity brought on by swordpoint, and fear back in the days? What were they called? I forgot. They were forced to believe in God though. It's on the tip of my tongue.. It does explain how people can become so ****ing gullible and believe God before they'd ever believe in themselves. I've ALSO noticed that alot of people who are religious had very tough, and arduous lives. Mhmm.. Does that tell you anything about my leverage theory? What about fear? Weakness? C'mon! I mean.. I wouldn't burn you alive just because you challenged my beliefs. They did. You know why? They fear of advancing. Look at how they gave Gallieo a hard time, all because THEY ARE AFRAID. No man who is afraid should have the power to infest this world with their BS. I've yet to find any religious person who can give me a reasonable argument without supporting it with ''god does this, god does that'' and more endless rhetorical drivel.

So you tell me MAN. Would you rather support my simple belief that holds alot of promise, or support their plot holes, and their stories, and their treacherous past, their fear, their weakness. C'mon. All the things they are promised from God we can grant ourselves for ****ing sake.

I probably would've been burned a thousand times if I lived back in the day. :3

 

[infiniteV115]

God cannot be proven nor disproven.

Luck cannot be proven nor disproven.

Ghosts, aliens cannot be proven nor disproven.

Aliens can be proven. You just have to find them.
What is 'luck'?

YOU HAVE YOURSELF. When YOU are there the ENTIRE time. YOU are ALWAYS there for YOURSELF. YOU never LEAVE your SIGHT. You can be PROVEN. You are SOLID. You are PHYSICAL

I have trouble understanding how you can say things like this, and also say that you don't believe in God because of the lack of evidence and whatnot (which makes perfect sense)

and full of SOUL.

And then you go and say things like this
But perhaps your definition for 'soul' is different than mine (some sort of non-physical, eternal force that lives within us and exists even after we die and rot in the ground), so I'll cut you some slack; what is a soul and how do you know/why do you believe it exists?

Also, what do you attempt to accomplish by sticking to beliefs that even YOU admit are fallacious? And don't say something like..
MY ARGUMENTS MAY BE FALLACIOUS BUT THEY ARE STILL (insert adjective possibly followed by rambling here)
Answer the question; what can be gained from believing in things that are fallacious?

Why don't you believe in aliens?

 

[Alien Vision]

''Aliens cannot be proven or disproven.'' <-- That says nothing like ''ALIENS DON'T ****ING EXIST!'' >_____>

What do you not understand? The ''god'' that we should be worshipping looking up to, is ourselves. -.-

My definition of soul is willpower. This unamed power that sleeps in all of us. I like to refer to as soul/willpower/a lit candle.

My beliefs are fallacious simply because words cannot burrow it out of it's formless nature. Only faith can allow you to burden this belief on your shoulders, and I made sure I dedicated myself in spending countless hours in putting the puzzle pieces together as much as possible, and alot of them do come together.

There is just nothing going for religion(s). It's just there, and people are making something out of nothing. If there was any evidence of these supreme man, if there wasn't any plotholes, if people could give me a solid fallacious answer rather than ENDLESS RHETORICAL HOGWASH, then maybe I would give it a chance. So far it's a dud, with no genuine truth, full of deceit, a very nasty past, and just full of BS overall.

 

[Zook]

@ Zook, That's why they turn to him, instead of themselves right?

The entire religion is a damn fallacy and I have not seen ONE TINY little evidence to see that this man who has endless power being existent. It's also funny how other people who imagine things with SUPER amazing powers. I'm starting to think people feel special that they can ''see'' things, and ''hear'' things. Yep. That is what I think it is. It's attention whoring, having no hope for themselves, fear, and ****ing control in the end. THATS ALL IT IS. :o While WE are a HUMAN BEING that is a living thing everyday that can be proven, and can hold EVERY SINGLE ****ing hope, faith, and make a positive change WITHOUT GOD. I'm starting to think people use god as a leverage to grant them strength they don't have too.

Want to say otherwise, be my guest. Not my fault you guys defend these people and their ridiculous claims about God, and yet you can't defend me? When I am just searching dilligently for an answer to this world's non-advancing ignorance that has plagued our ****ing race.

First off, not all religions worship a singular god, and some don't even have a god. You seem to think that 'religion' and 'Christianity' are synonyms.

And who cares where they get their drive to do good as long as they get it? There are a lot of religious organizations who make a lot of positive change in the world. Religion can bind people together to work for the greater good, and I don't see what's so bad about that, or why your 'philosophy' is any better. Of course people are capable of making change without believing in a higher power; unfortunately, many don't.

Prove to me right now that you exist. Prove that I exist. Prove this isn't all just an illusion, and you aren't the only consciousness in the universe.

 

[Alien Vision]

Maybe I should'nt have put the (s), it seemed to throw you off, Zook. Infinite responded towards my comment regarding God, as in the Christian God. So I responded back, so everything regarding God, or religion.. Was directed to him.

So no.. I did not say religion and christianity were synonyms. >-->

If I am not mistaken, isn't atheism a religion? XD

Are you serious about your second response? REALLY? What makes you think it's right for them to receive power from the wrong source? It's ignorance >->. I see people who don't believe in God do positive changes too. So what is the damn point? It's obvious. THEY DONT NEED A ****ING GOD. GOD IS A LEVERAGE. >___>

.-. Are you really going to ask me this?

 

[Zook]

Oh, okay. I didn't read back that far. Thanks for clearing that up. lol

As for that other part: Name some.

Most people don't have the drive to make positive change by themselves. A lot of people do believe in God. Religion gives ordinary people the opportunity and (more importantly) the drive to do good. They don't believe that they need God to give them strength to do good, but rather, they believe they are doing good for God, because honestly, most people don't give two ****s about people outside their immediate community. It's human nature.

As has been said, you can't prove that they're getting their will from a 'wrong source.' However, there are some strong arguments I've heard that provide evidence for God. This isn't the Debate Room, though, and I probably shouldn't bring them up.

Also, please don't use that font. It's incredibly hard to read. lol

 

[frotaz37]

Are you serious about your second response? REALLY? What makes you think it's right for them to receive power from the wrong source? It's ignorance >->. I see people who don't believe in God do positive changes too. So what is the damn point? It's obvious. THEY DONT NEED A ****ING GOD. GOD IS A LEVERAGE. >___>

So anything that isn't deemed useful by you is completely worthless to every other person in the world. Religion is "wrong" and your way is "right".

Cool.

 

[Alien Vision]

If you put it that way, of course.

@ Zook - I personally believe that if we already have something here-- as in ourselves, then what is the point of having a god?

 

[frotaz37]

If we already have cars and boats and trains, what is the point of having airplanes?

 

[Alien Vision]

If we already have horses.

If cars aren't a neccessity. <-- What is the point?

If trains aren't a neccessity. <-- What is the point?

Then why should planes be? <-- Why would this be any more of a point?

 

[frotaz37]

My point is that a lack of necessity does not mean that something is bad and/or pointless.

 

[Alien Vision]

That's because we only look at the positive things that it brings.

 

[frotaz37]

Speak for yourself.

 

[Alien Vision]

What do you mean?

 

[frotaz37]

....

That's because we only look at the positive things that it brings.

You say "we".

 

[Alien Vision]

I thought you were implying that I was doing the same, and I couldn't tell why.

I personally would love to be able to walk around the world. I hate ''transportation''. It kills the sentimental value of this world's appearance.

Who ruined this world's fundamental value? Oh, we did.

Who is currently ignoring it like it is nothing?

Mhmm.. That is an inquiry I wish to pressure.

 

[Zook]

Start an intentional community.

 

[Alien Vision]

For what ?

 

[Vinylic.]

Pangea called. He wants his continents back.

 

[Alien Vision]

^ :random:

 

[Vinylic.]

meh. just thought i'd make a joke in referance to this. you know, world stuff.............

 

[Alien Vision]

I'm going to assume it is something that you personally know, or learned from somewhere that has to do with our history. I am at a blank if that isn't even it.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'll say both.

 

[Alien Vision]

To be honest. I think I've heard it said in a cartoon before. It is very vague, but I swear I heard of that joke before.


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[Zook]

You talk about how you want to do positive things for the world, AV, and seem to believe that you are obliged to, but have you ever actually done anything? Or have plans to do something? I haven't seen anything to indicate so.

You talk a lot, but don't say much.

 

[Alien Vision]

I like to think of myself as a sun trapped in darkness. I know I have the fearless aggression for truth that'll allow me to stand up and do something, but right now I am still trying to find a way to put this as close to a physical form; atleast enough to where a casual human being will be able to grasp it.

I do talk alot, I just have no catalysts at this moment to show what I am genuinely made of.