The Starmada Brigade

[SvartWolf]

that would be probably be solved when he paints them...

oh.. and.. brownie points? what are those? panckakes? fairies? "browness"?

 

[Ookami-kun]

Oh just random stuff... think of giving cookies to people randomly online for doing good stuff XD

 

[SvartWolf]

i see... it's like getting the blessing of the almighty orange!

 

[Ookami-kun]

Yup.

Still, it'd be interesting if they were really shirtless and only wearing vests - a new take.

 

[Kashakunaki]

No furry porn, pl0x.

Thank you. =P

 

[Ookami-kun]

I don't see porn in that. I mean, they still have jackets and pants. Besides, Star Fox porno is really creepy. Especially if it has Leon in it. XD

I call it style, if anything. 83

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

There will be shirts, lol. I just figured that they were tight-fitting ones, so I drew in the back definitions.

There's no rush for the completed picture, right? The club isn't even underway yet.

And thanks for pointing out the kneecaps!

 

[Ookami-kun]

Ahh. I was just wondering why Wolf has those lines on his abs. I thought it was his white underbelly thing.

YAY NEW SIG TIME

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

I don't see porn in that. I mean, they still have jackets and pants. Besides, Star Fox porno is really creepy. Especially if it has Leon in it. XD

I call it style, if anything. 83

Furry porn is the reason why anthro art is looked down apon by so many people. Furries in general do a fantastic job of destroying their own reputation.

 

[Ookami-kun]

True. But then again it's pretty much applicable to everything in general - otakus destroying anime fans and hardcore trekkies ruining the regular fans.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Ahh. I was just wondering why Wolf has those lines on his abs. I thought it was his white underbelly thing.

YAY NEW SIG TIME

Those lines are just meant to be part of the design on his under shirt (I thought I saw two lines there, not sure) I usually draw abs with a single line down the stomach.

But yeah, I was copying from his in-game model, and his body is a lot shorter than the proportions I used here.

 

[Ookami-kun]

Ahh ok. Nice! Never knew he had designs for his undershirt. :D

Just some weird thoughts, this game is hinting some new Wolf stuff - he has a locket and a wolf-esque buckle. You think this would be significant in the next Star Fox game? XP

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

I hope so. His costume doesn't seem to be from any Starfox game so far. I can only hope a good Stargfozx game is coming to the Wii. One that isn't flawed or repetitive.

 

[Ookami-kun]

Actually, Wolf's outfit in Brawl is a modified version of his Assault/Command outfit, added with new stuff... Here's hoping those added stuff like his locket would actually mean something in the next Star Fox game.

 

[Wrath`]

Actually, Wolf's outfit in Brawl is a modified version of his Assault/Command outfit, added with new stuff... Here's hoping those added stuff like his locket would actually mean something in the next Star Fox game.

i never noticed a locket ever, hmm, any pics of it?

 

[Ookami-kun]

It's just beneath that white fluff on his chest (he has white chest, it seems).

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Now those are excellent reference pictures!

How old is Wolf, anyway? If he knew James McCloud then he's seemingly in his 40's and still kicking tail.

Lol, is he one of the more 'senior' smashers?

 

[Ookami-kun]

No. He's only one year older than Fox. XD

Kudos to Knux for the pics btw.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Sorry Nessbounder, when I said "No furry porn, pl0x" I wasn't directing it at your picture. I really like that picture. I was talking to someone else who made a post that made me think they were implying they wanted that.

I like that picture.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Sorry Nessbounder, when I said "No furry porn, pl0x" I wasn't directing it at your picture. I really like that picture. I was talking to someone else who made a post that made me think they were implying they wanted that.

I like that picture.

I know, I was just saying that furry porn is the reason the anthro fandom doesn't get the respect it deserves.

Moreso that furries in general tend to bring sexuality into EVERYTHING and have no shame/tact.

Makes me want to join the kemo society or something.

 

[Ookami-kun]

Kemo... kemono?

 

[Kashakunaki]

So, is there like one Starmada Brigrade thread to rule all Starmada Brigade threads?

Do we have a forum dedicated to this? What's the point of having this if the three boards don't even communicate?

 

[Darkfur]

I know, I was just saying that furry porn is the reason the anthro fandom doesn't get the respect it deserves.

Moreso that furries in general tend to bring sexuality into EVERYTHING and have no shame/tact.

Makes me want to join the kemo society or something.

*shrug* People have their fetishes, and people will be immature.

Personally, I enjoy furry porn about as much as the next furry, but I don't let it seep into every aspect and I'm not obsessed with it. Especially after I actually found a life mate. Porn of any type isn't exactly as interesting as it used to be.

I personally enjoy nice pictures a lot more now though. Especially cool looking ones or emotional ones. I like cute couple pictures as well, devoid of sexual innuendo and just showing love.

Sorry, felt I had to speak up so you knew not all furries are obsessed with porn. =p Also, shame/tact has it's place, but it's important to not be a stick in the mud or closed minded. Don't get too emotional over the fact that some furries are a bit immature, they'll either grow out of it or eventually leave the fandom.

I agree it'd be nice if the anthro fandom could have more respect, but nagging on those who are just having fun and being themselves, however immature it may seem, kind of goes against the whole being true to yourself aspect that brought many of them to it in the first place. It's best to live by example, and not to look at them with shame, but with a chuckle and a roll of the eyes. It's an incredibly diverse fandom. I like to celebrate that diversity more than try to sweep the less visually appealing sides of it under the rug or call attention to it negatively.

Anyways, back on topic, may I have a link to your art page again NessBounder? I think I missed it somewhere in this thread.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

*shrug* People have their fetishes, and people will be immature.

Personally, I enjoy furry porn about as much as the next furry, but I don't let it seep into every aspect and I'm not obsessed with it. Especially after I actually found a life mate. Porn of any type isn't exactly as interesting as it used to be.

I personally enjoy nice pictures a lot more now though. Especially cool looking ones or emotional ones. I like cute couple pictures as well, devoid of sexual innuendo and just showing love.

Sorry, felt I had to speak up so you knew not all furries are obsessed with porn. =p Also, shame/tact has it's place, but it's important to not be a stick in the mud or closed minded. Don't get too emotional over the fact that some furries are a bit immature, they'll either grow out of it or eventually leave the fandom.

I agree it'd be nice if the anthro fandom could have more respect, but nagging on those who are just having fun and being themselves, however immature it may seem, kind of goes against the whole being true to yourself aspect that brought many of them to it in the first place. It's best to live by example, and not to look at them with shame, but with a chuckle and a roll of the eyes. It's an incredibly diverse fandom. I like to celebrate that diversity more than try to sweep the less visually appealing sides of it under the rug or call attention to it negatively.

Anyways, back on topic, may I have a link to your art page again NessBounder? I think I missed it somewhere in this thread.

It's pretty hard to chuckle and roll your eyes when all of the negative reputation they generate comes back and sticks itself to the part of the fandom that doesn't deserve it. I am not a furry, I'm part of the anthro fandom, I like to call myself a furitan. It's an artistic rather than a social mindset, one that attempts to cater for all viewers, not just people in the fandom. I believe that anthro art is an extremely powerful tool for creating interesting and appealing characters in any kind of media, since humans in general are drawn to non-human creatures out of curiosity, especially young children. Now I hope that one day I'll be able to make my dreams of an intelligent, meaningful anthropomorphic game or movie a reality without being shot down by the prejudice that furries have generated because they're too busy "being true to themselves" than being sensible about it. It's fine when they stick to their designated areas, but when they publicize themselves and their fetishes, draw attention to themselves and create furry drama, it only makes the rest of us look bad.

Have you ever heard of the Kemono society? The Japanese have a history of anthropomorphic art that dates back to feudal times and is still celebrated today. Kemono artists aren't shunned by people outside their fandom, and are respected for what they do. Klonoa, Starfox and Tail Concerto are all products of the Kemo society, and the mascot for Japan's emergency e-mail system, Mamarou-kun, was designed by the same people who made Tail Concerto. The Kemono society isn't devoid of adult artwork or fetishism, but in general they are much more tactful about it and keep it away from people who would find it disturbing. Kemos are more well known for the cool artwork they produce (It's considered pretty cool over in Japan/China/Thailand. Did you ever watch Cat Soup? That's a good example of Kemono art used very well).

A lot of my friends are furries and I hold nothing against furries in general, but people need to be aware that not all of the anthro fandom deserves this negative reputation, as not all of it is based on sexuality or role-playing socialism. While furries are free to do as they wish, often the sillier ones make things very hard for the anthro artists and furitans who are just trying to push the art style into something bigger.

Anyway, if you wanted to check out my DA page, here it is:

www.ryanide.deviantart.com

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Kemo... kemono?

http://jengslizer.deviantart.com/art/kemo-society-21576028

KEMONO WA DAISUKI DESU!

 

[Darkfur]

It's pretty hard to chuckle and roll your eyes when all of the negative reputation they generate comes back and sticks itself to the part of the fandom that doesn't deserve it. I am not a furry, I'm part of the anthro fandom, I like to call myself a furitan. It's an artistic rather than a social mindset, one that attempts to cater for all viewers, not just people in the fandom. I believe that anthro art is an extremely powerful tool for creating interesting and appealing characters in any kind of media, since humans in general are drawn to non-human creatures out of curiosity, especially young children. Now I hope that one day I'll be able to make my dreams of an intelligent, meaningful anthropomorphic game or movie a reality without being shot down by the prejudice that furries have generated because they're too busy "being true to themselves" than being sensible about it. It's fine when they stick to their designated areas, but when they publicize themselves and their fetishes, draw attention to themselves and create furry drama, it only makes the rest of us look bad.

Have you ever heard of the Kemono society? The Japanese have a history of anthropomorphic art that dates back to feudal times and is still celebrated today. Kemono artists aren't shunned by people outside their fandom, and are respected for what they do. Klonoa, Starfox and Tail Concerto are all products of the Kemo society, and the mascot for Japan's emergency e-mail system, Mamarou-kun, was designed by the same people who made Tail Concerto. The Kemono society isn't devoid of adult artwork or fetishism, but in general they are much more tactful about it and keep it away from people who would find it disturbing. Kemos are more well known for the cool artwork they produce (It's considered pretty cool over in Japan/China/Thailand. Did you ever watch Cat Soup? That's a good example of Kemono art used very well).

A lot of my friends are furries and I hold nothing against furries in general, but people need to be aware that not all of the anthro fandom deserves this negative reputation, as not all of it is based on sexuality or role-playing socialism. While furries are free to do as they wish, often the sillier ones make things very hard for the anthro artists and furitans who are just trying to push the art style into something bigger.

Anyway, if you wanted to check out my DA page, here it is:

www.ryanide.deviantart.com

Thanks for the link. ^_^

And also, I see your point, and understand why you view negatively at the others, but you mustn't blame them for that. People will always find reasons to dislike what they deem weird, and their will always be negative people. Drawing attention to it yourself however, is like shooting yourself in the foot if you don't want people to make a judgement based on it. Not everyone knows about the furry or anthro fandom. It's best to show it off from a personal level, make it clear that you are different from others only if they mention it. Like I said, living by example is the best choice.

No, I haven't heard of that society, but I am greatly interested. And from what it seems like, they have the right idea. I consider myself furry, because I believe it is a broad term. Because of your dislike for that part of it you don't consider the anthro fandom a part of the furry fandom, and we'll differ there. But once again, diversity is pretty common. =)

Anyways, Thank you for the link and for drawing my attention to that. I hadn't heard of it before. It intrigues me. ^_^

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Well the furry fandom is actually a subculture within the ANTHROPOMORPHIC fandom, which is a very general term for anything to do with humanoid animals.

I can mostly think of four major groups, Furries, furitans("anthros"), kemonos and Sonic fans.

Sonic fans deserve their own category since they're not really furries and their interest is usually in one particular anthropomorphic style. The Sonic fandom is big enough to be its own subculture anyway.

But yeah, it's a common misconception that the whole anthropomorphic fandom are"furrys".

The "furry" subculture is a social one: role playing, fursuits, cons, etc. A lot of the time it's backed by fetishism, but not always. Some people just like dressing up in costumes or pretending to be a character.

The "furitan" group appreciate the style and find animal characters to be appealing, but aren't interested in sexuality or socialism at all. Starfox and Klonoa are two really good furitan products for example.

Kemono society is, yeah, just like furries, but not as obnoxious as a whole. It's probably got something to do with Japan's overall mindset and the like. But I wouldn't mind being known as a Kemono artist. Australia is part of the Asia-pacific, is it not? lol.

Sonic fans have the potential to be the scariest of the lot. I don't know what it is. Something about Sonic's style, I guess. I personally don't think it's that cool, but Sonic seems to attract a lot of people who think they're furries, but really aren't.

 

[Darkfur]

Well the furry fandom is actually a subculture within the ANTHROPOMORPHIC fandom, which is a very general term for anything to do with humanoid animals.

I can mostly think of four major groups, Furries, furitans("anthros"), kemonos and Sonic fans.

Sonic fans deserve their own category since they're not really furries and their interest is usually in one particular anthropomorphic style. The Sonic fandom is big enough to be its own subculture anyway.

But yeah, it's a common misconception that the whole anthropomorphic fandom are"furrys".

The "furry" subculture is a social one: role playing, fursuits, cons, etc. A lot of the time it's backed by fetishism, but not always. Some people just like dressing up in costumes or pretending to be a character.

The "furitan" group appreciate the style and find animal characters to be appealing, but aren't interested in sexuality or socialism at all. Starfox and Klonoa are two really good furitan products for example.

Kemono society is, yeah, just like furries, but not as obnoxious as a whole. It's probably got something to do with Japan's overall mindset and the like. But I wouldn't mind being known as a Kemono artist. Australia is part of the Asia-pacific, is it not? lol.

Sonic fans have the potential to be the scariest of the lot. I don't know what it is. Something about Sonic's style, I guess. I personally don't think it's that cool, but Sonic seems to attract a lot of people who think they're furries, but really aren't.

*laugh* I know what you mean about the Sonic fans thing. heh heh. I've seen my fair share.

I see you're point, but tend to disagree slightly. However, once again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you have givent me a great deal to think about. I'll look into the Kemono society as I've never heard of it. However, I'm a roleplayer and a writer. I write stories and such and am a game designer. I graduate next week on Thursday. ^_^ I too plan on making a game featuring anthropomorphic characters and the like and hope for it to be taken seriously. However, since I know what it shouldnt have in it, and will be treating it no different from as if the characters were people, then it should be fine. I don't really care whether I attract, furries, other people, or anyone. I just want to make a game with anthropomorphic animals as the main characters. And also one featuring humans, but with an emphasis on Lycanthropy.

And to add a group to your list. Therianthropes. I don't fly with the whole being a reincarnation of an animal thing, but it's interesting to read about. And makes for interesting writings sometimes. ^_^

Interesting concept, but can be creepy to some.

 

[Ookami-kun]

lol I don't like the cutey kemono types. I like the serious ones.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

*laugh* I know what you mean about the Sonic fans thing. heh heh. I've seen my fair share.

I see you're point, but tend to disagree slightly. However, once again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you have givent me a great deal to think about. I'll look into the Kemono society as I've never heard of it. However, I'm a roleplayer and a writer. I write stories and such and am a game designer. I graduate next week on Thursday. ^_^ I too plan on making a game featuring anthropomorphic characters and the like and hope for it to be taken seriously. However, since I know what it shouldnt have in it, and will be treating it no different from as if the characters were people, then it should be fine. I don't really care whether I attract, furries, other people, or anyone. I just want to make a game with anthropomorphic animals as the main characters. And also one featuring humans, but with an emphasis on Lycanthropy.

And to add a group to your list. Therianthropes. I don't fly with the whole having an animal spirit actually inside me thing, but it's interesting to read about.

Interesting concept, but can be creepy to some.

I like your style. Our goals are quite similar then. At the moment, I'm working on a game with my friend in Canada called "Cherub Felines". It features anthropomorphic characters, but the storyline itself delves deep into morality issues and the divide between religion/aethism as well as exploring the themes of lenicy and corruption of power. It's a 2D beat-em-up in the style of Devil May Cry or RBO.

I think it's good to treat the characters as though they were human, but sometimes the characters can be much more powerful if you implement their animal characteristics as well. This can make their abilities more interesting and open up great opportunity for storylines. For instance, Wolf in Smash Bros Brawl. His canine mannerisms greatly emphasize his fighting style and personality.

 

[Darkfur]

I like your style. Our goals are quite similar then. At the moment, I'm working on a game with my friend in Canada called "Cherub Felines". It features anthropomorphic characters, but the storyline itself delves deep into morality issues and the divide between religion/aethism as well as exploring the themes of lenicy and corruption of power. It's a 2D beat-em-up in the style of Devil May Cry or RBO.

I think it's good to treat the characters as though they were human, but sometimes the characters can be much more powerful if you implement their animal characteristics as well. This can make their abilities more interesting and open up great opportunity for storylines. For instance, Wolf in Smash Bros Brawl. His canine mannerisms greatly emphasize his fighting style and personality.

Right, but that's about as deeply as I let their animalistic characteristics effect them. For example, in one of my scenarios it follows two nations. One is ruled by a ferret warlord and the other a peaceful rabbit. The main character however is a fox. Basically, the ferret took over the sister nation of the one ruled by the rabbit. It's extremely focussed on politics and morality. The fox is actually a cunning and swift assassin who switches sides when he falls in love. [cheesy I know, but I want to run with it.]

Now, with my Werewolf story however, the wolf inside my main character drastically influences not only his fighting style, but the way he acts. He has a sharp personality switch when he hits puberty and his heritage manifests within him. It's an RPG with emphasis on interaction between elemental magic, but focuses mostly on a story of betrayal and outdated tradition. It also emphasizes the philosophy of passing the torch to the next generation.

Anyways, I think we've gone off topic a bit. =p Maybe we can continue this on AIM sometime or something. =p

To steer back on topic though, this Wolf/fox/falco alliance is pretty great if it works... I'm going to unlock Wolf as fast as I can when I get brawl, but not via vs matches. So I'll be playing the SSE almost nonstop. =p

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Hmm, that made me think, wouldn't an anthro tactical RPG in the style of Fire Emblem be quite something? The units would not only differ by who they were, but also by their respective species.

And yeah, SSE is the fastest way to unlock Wolf. 405 vs battles is pretty crazy.

Oh, and I can tell by your sig that you're a Redwall fan. Tell me, am I the only Redwall fan who's getting tired of Mr. Jaques repeatedly stereotyping characters by species??? And as a result, the storylines in the later books just seem to be horribly repetitive??

 

[Ookami-kun]

Also, furries don't like Sonic fans as well. They're quite different.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Also, furries don't like Sonic fans as well. They're quite different.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

Anyway, I just read back a bit...Wolf is only one year older than Fox?

...

And Fox is 18 in Lylat Wars...

And according to the trophy, Wolf had a run-in with James at some point...

That means Wolf was just a kid when he met James McCloud! What could possibly have happened between those two to foster such a hatred for Fox? At such a young age, Wolf wouldn't have been a mercenary...

HMMM...

 

[Ookami-kun]

FYI I also like anthro stuff.

Trophies may have a tendency to be incorrect - and well, that could be a translation error.

 

[SvartWolf]

It's just beneath that white fluff on his chest (he has white chest, it seems).

wow... the second pic it's really impressive! nice Wolf design, hop i'ts maintained in the latter games (i've never really liked the wolf design in assault or command)

but the first pic is disturbing.... wolf looks like he poped out from a dr Zeus film or something... he looks like the grinch!!!!

Hmm, that made me think, wouldn't an anthro tactical RPG in the style of Fire Emblem be quite something? The units would not only differ by who they were, but also by their respective species.

didin't the two last fire embles had something like that? with human.beast units or something like that....

as for the furry subculture... (or anthro subculture, i don't really knows much about the subject) the first time i've learned about the furries was because someone on internet asked me if i was furry due to have "wolf" in my nick... i feel it interesting as a sociological phenomena, but not very interested in being part of a fandom or something like that... does i still like anthropomorfic character (and even more, shapeshifters) yes, i do like them, and i think that they have a lot to do about the humanity itself...

 

[Ookami-kun]

This is h is Assault/Command design, modified a bit - jacket unzipped, made him sleeveless, gave him accessories, and what not. Also, I really like how they did his fur (he's one of the few characters who actually show some fur).

One of the reasons I like anthro/furry is that well - human beings as a subject of fiction, for me, is cliche. With anthros at least, it's a different group of cliches.

 

[Kashakunaki]

*taps champagne glass to gain everyone's attention*

*Clears throat* Ahem, I'd like to propose a toast to Nessbounder. May his sound logic, good intentions, and wonderful artistic ability, thought, and mind carry him far. I hope you get what you work for in the end, Nessbounder. *drinks*

That was an interesting debate, and very mature. ^_^

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

:D

wyethankyouverymuhch.