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The Solid Snake for Smash DLC thread! Such a lust for Smash news....WHOOOOOOOO?

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* Donkey Kong Jr.:
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* Gengar:
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* Medusa:
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And Goku!

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Wait what's happening here?!

There should be poll here somewh---

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* Snake:
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Go vote. ;)
Considering Medusa's dead and the Palutena Guidance seems to be canon(for atleast the Kid Icarus and maybe Fire Emblem characters), she has no shot unless she magically came back to life.
 

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Considering Medusa's dead and the Palutena Guidance seems to be canon(for atleast the Kid Icarus and maybe Fire Emblem characters), she has no shot unless she magically came back to life.
Fighting games don't care for series canon in regards to character death.

Two examples, Albert Wesker was deader than dead via RPG in a volcano in Resident Evil 5 when Marvel vs Capcom 3 became a thing and yet he's sitting right there in the roster. M. Bison has died several times in Street Fighter canon and is still playable.
 
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Fighting games don't care for series canon in regards to character death.

Two examples, Albert Wesker was deader than dead via RPG in a volcano in Resident Evil 5 when Marvel vs Capcom 3 became a thing and yet he's sitting right there in the roster. M. Bison has died several times in Street Fighter canon and is still playable.
Kid Icarus:Uprising is a Sakurai game, same with Smash Bros. They mention and reference everything and talk about the aftermatch. Sakurai may be a tease, but he wouldn't make up something that big, and randomly bring her back to life just to be playable. M. Bison makes it work because there's more than 1 version of him, Hades made Medusa over and over. He's dead(sorta) and he killed her right before Pot finished him. I would say the same about Wesker, but the Resident Evil game I've played and finished didn't have him(Revelation), but he's probably in the same situation to. Sakurai made Dark Pit/Viridi canon because it makes sense and was predicted by fans, hoping for a sequel. If anything, Pandora has more of a chance than pretty much the entire cast, since her fate is unknown(she could still be alive, but lost her powers while keeping her beauty in the process).
 

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Fighting games don't care for series canon in regards to character death.

Two examples, Albert Wesker was deader than dead via RPG in a volcano in Resident Evil 5 when Marvel vs Capcom 3 became a thing and yet he's sitting right there in the roster. M. Bison has died several times in Street Fighter canon and is still playable.
>implying they won't somehow magic Wesker back in RE7

He's definitely not dead. Anyone who thinks it won't happen is delusional.
 

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>implying they won't somehow magic Wesker back in RE7

He's definitely not dead. Anyone who thinks it won't happen is delusional.
Wesker ain't Ridley.

He was shot with an RPG while drowning in lava.

I don't care how infected Wesker was when he took the blow, he probably isn't durable enough to survive the aftermath. How does one come back from melting in lava?

Wesker may have cheated death once, but he wasn't burned to death and exploded. He was mauled by a Tyrant then.
 

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Wesker ain't Ridley.

He was shot with an RPG while drowning in lava.

I don't care how infected Wesker was when he took the blow, he probably isn't durable enough to survive the aftermath. How does one come back from melting in lava?

Wesker may have cheated death once, but he wasn't burned to death and exploded. He was mauled by a Tyrant then.
The keyword is magic. This is Resident Evil, they'll come up with any possible bull**** to keep a character alive. I wouldn't put it past them to have some single fragment of Wesker's body get blown off that mountain, and the Uroboros in that single fragment allowed him to pull together the flesh of other corpses to regenerate himself. Or he just had a ****ing clone at the ready to wake up in the event of his death.

The plot of Revelations 2 revolves around
Alex Wesker transferring her mind into others to essentially gain immortality. Capcom's quite clearly down with the idea of playing with immortal Wesker children.
Albert could easily have his own system in place for immortality.

This is the Snake thread. Nobody here is a stranger to stupid, convoluted story lines that make up complete bull****. Paz was considered super dead and she came back. There are people that honestly believe Paz is STILL alive even after she exploded. The difference between MGS and RE is that RE doesn't care whether or not it makes any sense at all.
 

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The keyword is magic. This is Resident Evil, they'll come up with any possible bull**** to keep a character alive. I wouldn't put it past them to have some single fragment of Wesker's body get blown off that mountain, and the Uroboros in that single fragment allowed him to pull together the flesh of other corpses to regenerate himself. Or he just had a ****ing clone at the ready to wake up in the event of his death.

The plot of Revelations 2 revolves around
Alex Wesker transferring her mind into others to essentially gain immortality. Capcom's quite clearly down with the idea of playing with immortal Wesker children.
Albert could easily have his own system in place for immortality.

This is the Snake thread. Nobody here is a stranger to stupid, convoluted story lines that make up complete bull****. Paz was considered super dead and she came back. There are people that honestly believe Paz is STILL alive even after she exploded. The difference between MGS and RE is that RE doesn't care whether or not it makes any sense at all.
This is completely off topic but...
I wouldn't be surprised if Wesker used Alex's method and had actually beaten her to the bunch on transferring his mind into a younger body.
Personally, I'm expecting that the Wesker in RE5 will be revealed to be the clone, and the real Wesker has been working behind the scenes as usual. Definitely would fit in better with his character (I actually want him to come back).
Speaking of RE, would any Snake fans feel bitter if a Resident Evil character was included before him?
They probably wouldn't play the same.
 

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The keyword is magic. This is Resident Evil, they'll come up with any possible bull**** to keep a character alive. I wouldn't put it past them to have some single fragment of Wesker's body get blown off that mountain, and the Uroboros in that single fragment allowed him to pull together the flesh of other corpses to regenerate himself. Or he just had a ****ing clone at the ready to wake up in the event of his death.

The plot of Revelations 2 revolves around
Alex Wesker transferring her mind into others to essentially gain immortality. Capcom's quite clearly down with the idea of playing with immortal Wesker children.
Albert could easily have his own system in place for immortality.

This is the Snake thread. Nobody here is a stranger to stupid, convoluted story lines that make up complete bull****. Paz was considered super dead and she came back. There are people that honestly believe Paz is STILL alive even after she exploded. The difference between MGS and RE is that RE doesn't care whether or not it makes any sense at all.
Point taken.

I never considered Paz dead myself, though, and was not surprised to see her alive in GZ.

Though the way she died, I don't think she's coming back from that either.
 
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Point taken.

I never considered Paz dead myself, though, and was not surprised to see her alive in GZ.

Though the way she died, I don't think she's coming back from that either.
In case you missed it in the E3 2015 Trailer for TPP, Kojima wants us to believe that Paz is alive, or something to that nature.
 

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*after snake gets confirmed*
Pit: WHO IS THAT!?
Palutena: i have no data on this fighter I can't belive it!
Viridi: it must be intruder from another deminsion.
Snake: ...
Lucas: I know how do you feel Snake...
I think that would almost feel worse if you're a Kid Icarus character. I mean think about it.
Pit: Who is that?
Medusa: Is this a joke?
 

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I think that would almost feel worse if you're a Kid Icarus character. I mean think about it.
Pit: Who is that?
Medusa: Is this a joke?
Haha now I want another kid icarus character just to see the irony.
 
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Surely, when the DLC is completely finished with, they'll hire the voice actors to come back and do the DLC characters. If not then that's a total waste, especially seeing as they could do some awesome things with Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy and Ryu already. The rest of the DLC characters could be even better.
 

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Neither is Sonic, Pac-Man, Mega Man or Ryu.
In fact, Sonic and Ryu are anything but Nintendo staples.
Mega Man is a staple, he's had 7 of the original Mega Man games on the NES and the first 3 Mega Man X games (which are the only good ones) on SNES, the rest aren't staples and I don't agree with them being in the game either.
 

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Mega Man is a staple, he's had 7 of the original Mega Man games on the NES and the first 3 Mega Man X games (which are the only good ones) on SNES, the rest aren't staples and I don't agree with them being in the game either.
You mean 6 original Mega Man games on the NES. The first three X games being the only good ones is highly subjective as well but I digress.

Also, Mega Man isn't a staple today compared to the nineties. The last Mega Man game(from any of the subseries) released at all that isn't a compilation was Mega Man X Street Fighter, which wasn't even on a Nintendo console and was a fan project to boot before Capcom backed it. Hell, the last new MM game on a Nintendo console was Mega Man 10, from 2010.

Is Mega Man a huge icon of the gaming industry and a significant contributor to it's history like Ryu, Pac-Man, Sonic or Snake? Yes.

Is he a staple nowadays? No.
 

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Mega Man is a staple, he's had 7 of the original Mega Man games on the NES and the first 3 Mega Man X games (which are the only good ones) on SNES, the rest aren't staples and I don't agree with them being in the game either.
Please read the OP. It will answer most of your questions.

So I just started Disc 2 of TTS and am currently being attacked by a Hind. Honestly, this game is so cheesy it's awesome. It's like Hot Fuzz but better.
 

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Please read the OP. It will answer most of your questions.

So I just started Disc 2 of TTS and am currently being attacked by a Hind. Honestly, this game is so cheesy it's awesome. It's like Hot Fuzz but better.
That's what I love about TTS. It's a cheesier MGS1 with all the ridiculously over-the-top cutscenes.

A lot of people dis the game because of the new cutscenes, but that's what I think makes it better. When people talk about how stupid the new cutscenes are, I just tell them to pretend that the game is a certain katana-weilding dude's VR mission of the Shadow Moses incident.

When you look at it that way, it's not that unrealistic, that dude's always doing cartwheels anyway.
 
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I don't understand how people are okay with throwing away a unique moveset because they don't think Snake meets some imaginary "Nintendo enough!" requirement (he already did when he was the first and, at the time, only 3rd party announced) or because his aesthetic "doesn't mesh" (there's already so much variety in the types of fighters represented).These arguments would make sense if we were talking about a newcomer, but we're talking about someone who was already in Smash. Sakurai already decided that yes, Snake is Nintendo enough and yes, he does fit in - or doesn't, much like Samus with bunny ears or Pikachu with a rifle scope doesn't make sense. Smash is an inherently nonsensical and humorous game, and a close-up of Snake's butt clad in a skin-tight leopard suit fits in just fine.

I can only imagine that Snake didn't make it in this time around because of some legal snafu. Why else would Sakurai purposefully remove a non-clone character? And why hasn't he mentioned Snake at all? The only confirmed reasons we have for veterans not making it back in is time reasons (Mewtwo and the forbidden whatever) and technical reasons + low priority (Ice Climbers, plus Sakurai's insistence the 3DS/Wii U have same roster). I don't see why he'd throw away a character he already spent time making and that would take less time than a newcomer. Remember, Sakurai has no problem with padding out the roster to make it as big as possible, so why would he lose an easy opportunity to increase the character count by one? The only reason that makes sense is a legal issue, possibly combined with lower priority (although the 3DS was the fatal blow for the IC, he explicitly states they were a low priority, implying that that played some role in their absence). And threads like this are intended to show him that Snake shouldn't be low priority.

I feel like a lot of anti-Snake arguments come down to "well I don't like how he looks in Smash." I mean, I don't like having four Fire Emblem characters or the Mario/Pokemon domination, but I'm not going to campaign for Sakurai removing any of those characters because it doesn't personally please my sense of roster balance or aesthetics. I didn't care for Wolf at all and I didn't feel his absence one bit, but I want Wolf to get back in because I know he'd make a lot of people happy and he wouldn't be a straight up clone. I felt the same way about Roy, and hey, he's back and I'm glad for it. It wouldn't even necessarily "take a newcomer's place!1!" because Snake's files are newer than Roy's and Mewtwo's and he would be made significantly quicker (how long did it take for Lucas to be made?).
 

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I don't understand how people are okay with throwing away a unique moveset because they don't think Snake meets some imaginary "Nintendo enough!" requirement (he already did when he was the first and, at the time, only 3rd party announced) or because his aesthetic "doesn't mesh" (there's already so much variety in the types of fighters represented).These arguments would make sense if we were talking about a newcomer, but we're talking about someone who was already in Smash. Sakurai already decided that yes, Snake is Nintendo enough and yes, he does fit in - or doesn't, much like Samus with bunny ears or Pikachu with a rifle scope doesn't make sense. Smash is an inherently nonsensical and humorous game, and a close-up of Snake's butt clad in a skin-tight leopard suit fits in just fine.

I can only imagine that Snake didn't make it in this time around because of some legal snafu. Why else would Sakurai purposefully remove a non-clone character? And why hasn't he mentioned Snake at all? The only confirmed reasons we have for veterans not making it back in is time reasons (Mewtwo and the forbidden whatever) and technical reasons + low priority (Ice Climbers, plus Sakurai's insistence the 3DS/Wii U have same roster). I don't see why he'd throw away a character he already spent time making and that would take less time than a newcomer. Remember, Sakurai has no problem with padding out the roster to make it as big as possible, so why would he lose an easy opportunity to increase the character count by one? The only reason that makes sense is a legal issue, possibly combined with lower priority (although the 3DS was the fatal blow for the IC, he explicitly states they were a low priority, implying that that played some role in their absence). And threads like this are intended to show him that Snake shouldn't be low priority.

I feel like a lot of anti-Snake arguments come down to "well I don't like how he looks in Smash." I mean, I don't like having four Fire Emblem characters or the Mario/Pokemon domination, but I'm not going to campaign for Sakurai removing any of those characters because it doesn't personally please my sense of roster balance or aesthetics. I didn't care for Wolf at all and I didn't feel his absence one bit, but I want Wolf to get back in because I know he'd make a lot of people happy and he wouldn't be a straight up clone. I felt the same way about Roy, and hey, he's back and I'm glad for it. It wouldn't even necessarily "take a newcomer's place!1!" because Snake's files are newer than Roy's and Mewtwo's and he would be made significantly quicker (how long did it take for Lucas to be made?).
This, right here. The two options that could have kept Snake back were legal issues or priority over other 3rd parties. Legal issues is a weird one, since he was already in Brawl, so I don't see how that could've been a problem. Which leaves us with the last option. Priority on 3rd parties could be the only possible issue I could think of . Sakurai may have wanted more new 3rd parties that people wanted. Megaman was a popular choice, and Pacman was also a huge image in gaming. Sonic may have also gotten priority over Snake, because lets face it, removing Sonic would have been a bad move, MUCH worse than Snake. Now that DLC is being chosen, Sakurai may look into bringing Snake back, and I hope that's the case.
 

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That's what I love about TTS. It's a cheesier MGS1 with all the ridiculously over-the-top cutscenes.

A lot of people dis the game because of the new cutscenes, but that's what I think makes it better. When people talk about how stupid the new cutscenes are, I just tell them to pretend that the game is a certain katana-weilding dude's VR mission of the Shadow Moses incident.

When you look at it that way, it's not that unrealistic, that dude's always doing cartwheels anyway.
I feel that TTS in more in line with the style of MGS. I wouldn't view TTS as Raiden's VR Mission, but rather as the actual Shadow Moses. TTS is Snake literally carrying out his mission.
 

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I feel that TTS in more in line with the style of MGS. I wouldn't view TTS as Raiden's VR Mission, but rather as the actual Shadow Moses. TTS is Snake literally carrying out his mission.
I don't know how much you know about the story in Metal Gear, and I don't remember when this plot point was brought up, so I put part of this post in a spoiler so that I don't potentially spoil something.

Another way you can look at it is that the reason Snake did so much crazy stuff in TTS, and not in MGS2 is because his
accelerated aging didn't physically hinder him as much at that time.
Now that I think of it, I like this explanation much more than the Raiden explanation

Although maybe Snake was just lazy in MGS2, I dunno
 
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I don't know how much you know about the story in Metal Gear, and I don't remember when this plot point was brought up, so I put part of this post in a spoiler so that I don't potentially spoil something.

Another way you can look at it is that the reason Snake did so much crazy stuff in TTS, and not in MGS2 is because his
accelerated aging didn't physically hinder him as much at that time.
Now that I think of it, I like this explanation much more than the Raiden explanation

Although maybe Snake was just lazy in MGS2, I dunno
Or because Snake had like a grand total of 30 minutes of screen time in MGS2?

Accelerated age didn't affect him till after MGS2.

It could be that this is just how Solid is and we don't know because of how little he has done anything cinematic wise after TTS.
 
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Since TTS is a remake if MGS1, I consider them canonically to be the same event.
Yeah. Indeed, MGS4 had confirmed that neighter MGS or TTS is canon without the other (the posters in Otacon's office).
 

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I wasn't trying to convince anyone that TTS is non-canon, sorry for any confusion. I was just joking about how TTS could be perceived.

On the topic of Smash 4, I've been thinking about Snake's design. Do you guys think that Snake's face should stay more "realistic" if he comes back, or should it be slightly modified to look a bit more "cartoony". I'm not saying that Snake's design should look super cartoony, but maybe it could be adjusted to around Smash 4's Zero Suit Samus level cartoony.

Personally, I don't think Snake needs to look more cartoony, it's a crossover fighting game, and Snake's established design would just help add some diversity to the roster. But to be honest, Snake's design isn't really super realistic anyway. Though I wouldn't mind if his design was altered slightly, it could look pretty cool.
 

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I would be totally fine with eighter his normal look or one like ZSS.
 
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