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Just saw Kung Fu Panda 4. Pretty good movie. I kind of like how it feels more like a serialized adventure and not like some grand thesis driven statement. Certainly not every movie needs to be that and I like it when films are comfortable being that.
I didn't mind the film for what it was but I won't lie when I say this version would have been so much superior.



I've seen the mess that was the BTS stuff and all that, as well as some great ideas other people had for the movie.

–The Furious Five and Shifu were taken out by Chameleon and had their powers stolen, and she does the same to Tai Lung and other masters. But Tai Lung manages to escape and has to team up with Po in order to stop her. He's not exactly a paragon, but he's mellowed out over the years and eventually fully redeems himself.
–Zhen being a persona invented by Chameleon and it being a way to put Po on a fake hero's journey in order to take his powers and replace him as the Dragon Warrior.
–Po's birth dad being forced to face his fears and overcome his trauma when facing Chameleon currently using the form of Lord Shen.

Tl;DR: Mike Mitchell shouldn't have been the co-director, Joel Crawford should have replaced him but goddamn I wish Stephanie Stine stayed as director.
 
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Just saw Kung Fu Panda 4. Pretty good movie. I kind of like how it feels more like a serialized adventure and not like some grand thesis driven statement. Certainly not every movie needs to be that and I like it when films are comfortable being that.
It was fine. There’s certainly way worse movies out there, and I guess the fight scenes were pretty fun.

But while I was watching it all I could think of was how I was predicting every line of dialogue. And how none of the jokes were making me laugh. And how the Chameleon has the lamest backstory in the franchise. And how nothing really had any emotional weight to it. And how I missed the Furious Five. And how Tai Lung was completely squandered along with the other villains. And how the first trilogy really made me feel things and now I just feel…ambivalent.

But yeah, it’s fine.
 

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Notably because of her size she wouldn't let her do kung fu.

Ummmm did they forget Mantis???
They probably did. I don’t think a lot of thought was put into the writing of this movie.

They make a big deal about how Po’s never been to the city. Even though the setting of the second film was Gongmen City.
 

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Man to think one of the original pitches was going to be a CGI/Live-Action hybrid with humans like seen in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I'm so glad they didn't go down that road...
 

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I have not seen Kung Fu Panda 4, but from what I am reading, it makes me wonder...

Who wrote for this movie? I mean, it can't be any of the writers of Kung Fu Pandas 1-3, right? Especially the first two films.
Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger did return as screenwriters and co-producers with the addition of Darren Lemke, the directors (Mike Mitchell and Stephanie Ma Stine) and producer (Rebecca Huntley) are different from the first three films
 
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Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger did return as screenwriters and co-producers with the addition of Darren Lemke, the directors (Mike Mitchell and Stephanie Ma Stine) and producer (Rebecca Huntley) are different from the first three films
Oh, I should have said directors.

Still, it is like they have not watched the last three films.
 

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It would've been a really brilliant twist if the whole time Zhen was really Chameleon in disguise who Po was actually traveling with to lure him to steal his power. In other words, a persona she had made up.

The movie then ending with Po finally choosing his successor for the next Dragon Warrior, perhaps another panda.
 
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Man to think one of the original pitches was going to be a CGI/Live-Action hybrid with humans like seen in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I'm so glad they didn't go down that road...
Yeah, definitely could’ve been worse. But yknow, could’ve been way better.

Like I already said, the movie’s fine. Solid enjoyable kids film. But the first few KFP’s weren’t just fine, they were all varying levels of incredible. So for a new sequel to this wonderful franchise I grew up with to just be a slightly above average animated movie…

It kinda stings :239:
 
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It was fine. There’s certainly way worse movies out there, and I guess the fight scenes were pretty fun.

But while I was watching it all I could think of was how I was predicting every line of dialogue. And how none of the jokes were making me laugh. And how the Chameleon has the lamest backstory in the franchise. And how nothing really had any emotional weight to it. And how I missed the Furious Five. And how Tai Lung was completely squandered along with the other villains. And how the first trilogy really made me feel things and now I just feel…ambivalent.

But yeah, it’s fine.
Half of this sounds legit and the other half sounds like you're getting old.

But I won't judge cause the movie to me looks ok at best so maybe I'm getting old too.
 

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Half of this sounds legit and the other half sounds like you're getting old.

But I won't judge cause the movie to me looks ok at best so maybe I'm getting old too.
Well I also felt my knees cramping and my back giving out but I’m sure that’s unrelated.
 

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And at least Kung Fu Panda still got those emotional beats (Unlike Ice Age which revolves around pop culture references at this point) and didn't turn Po into a buffoon and total joke in his first encounter with Zhen having her be superior in every way. Because they very well could have turned him into a loser like they've done to many beloved characters (Luke Skywalker, Bill & Ted, Indiana Jones, Dewey from Scream, etc.)
 
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Well I also felt my knees cramping and my back giving out but I’m sure that’s unrelated.
Tbh, the real meat and bones of your criticism is the shifting of target audiences and how they're now targeting a gen that has an attention span of a goldfish, so they just dumb it down completely with no breaks and nonstop pacing. And you know what?

I'm ok with that, and I am also NOT ok with that.
 

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I didn't mind the film for what it was but I won't lie when I say this version would have been so much superior.



I've seen the mess that was the BTS stuff and all that, as well as some great ideas other people had for the movie.

–The Furious Five and Shifu were taken out by Chameleon and had their powers stolen, and she does the same to Tai Lung and other masters. But Tai Lung manages to escape and has to team up with Po in order to stop her. He's not exactly a paragon, but he's mellowed out over the years and eventually fully redeems himself.
–Zhen being a persona invented by Chameleon and it being a way to put Po on a fake hero's journey in order to take his powers and replace him as the Dragon Warrior.
–Po's birth dad being forced to face his fears and overcome his trauma when facing Chameleon currently using the form of Lord Shen.

Tl;DR: Mike Mitchell shouldn't have been the co-director, Joel Crawford should have replaced him but goddamn I wish Stephanie Stine stayed as director.
But Po had to choose a successor! Zhen had to be real.
It was fine. There’s certainly way worse movies out there, and I guess the fight scenes were pretty fun.

But while I was watching it all I could think of was how I was predicting every line of dialogue. And how none of the jokes were making me laugh. And how the Chameleon has the lamest backstory in the franchise. And how nothing really had any emotional weight to it. And how I missed the Furious Five. And how Tai Lung was completely squandered along with the other villains. And how the first trilogy really made me feel things and now I just feel…ambivalent.

But yeah, it’s fine.
Idk. None of that bothered me. Maybe it’s because I wasn’t that attached to the original film trilogy to begin with. Like I’m not gonna step up to bat and defend this movie because I really enjoyed it or something. But like… I wasn’t predicting the dialogue. I also wasn’t trying to. I was just… watching the movie. I actually got kind of a kick out of how Po acted. Like this is how you write a Superman type character. And I didn’t really care about the Chameleon’s backstory. Not every villain needs a backstory. Heck, the movie might have even been better if she had just been a ***** who wanted to be powerful just because. And the fight scenes with her were really fun! Especially when she Kevin 11’ed it at the end! And as for the other villains… ok I cheated. I knew Tai Lung’s vo was the only one actually in it so I knew he was the only one really in the movie and honestly the way they used him made sense to me. Ultimately the villains are all dead and would probably just want to return to rest. That’s kind of how most spirits act in traditional philosophy and mythology. They might still echo their past lives and actions but like… they know they’re done and it’s futile to hold on to a world that’s not there’s anymore. So they wouldn’t really have much to do other than be summoned, defend themselves, and then try to go home.

Idk man. I like that it was simpler. I don’t think it needed to be this big epic thing with complex character arcs and emotions and everything. Movies don’t all need to be that. And acting like they do is just… stressful.
 
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There is way more to it then that but what can I do 🤷🏿‍♀️
My problem with this show is that I feel next to 0 attaxhment to the characters and that the only thing keeping me invested are the action and the mysteries which are likely gonna take a while to pay off. Season 1 started the mystery aspect and it feels like season 2 hasn't answered anything that was set up in the previous season
 

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Tbh, the real meat and bones of your criticism is the shifting of target audiences and how they're now targeting a gen that has an attention span of a goldfish, so they just dumb it down completely with no breaks and nonstop pacing. And you know what?

I'm ok with that, and I am also NOT ok with that.
On one hand I don’t like to blame this on the TikTok generation because like… we were being told we had shorter attention spans as kids too (or at least I was) and I could still hold my attention for an entire movie or episode of a tv show without it having to jangle the keys. And like… it’s also possible to make something for a younger audience and have it not be bad. “It’s bad because it’s for kids” is a nonsense argument.
 

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But Po had to choose a successor! Zhen had to be real.
I mean it could've also ended with him picking one from the Valley of Peace at the end, perhaps another panda. And Zhen having been a persona of the Chameleon being a good lesson from Shifu not who to trust as he warned Po.

Regardless, the movie's done so that can't be changed but if I made the film this is how I probably would've done it along with retaining the tone of the first two films and actually giving Tai Lung a redemption arc teaming up with Po and making peace with Shifu.
 
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KFP4 being mid outside of Po aside, the Joker sequel is gonna be another hit classic
 

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But Po had to choose a successor! Zhen had to be real.

Idk. None of that bothered me. Maybe it’s because I wasn’t that attached to the original film trilogy to begin with. Like I’m not gonna step up to bat and defend this movie because I really enjoyed it or something. But like… I wasn’t predicting the dialogue. I also wasn’t trying to. I was just… watching the movie. I actually got kind of a kick out of how Po acted. Like this is how you write a Superman type character. And I didn’t really care about the Chameleon’s backstory. Not every villain needs a backstory. Heck, the movie might have even been better if she had just been a ***** who wanted to be powerful just because. And the fight scenes with her were really fun! Especially when she Kevin 11’ed it at the end! And as for the other villains… ok I cheated. I knew Tai Lung’s vo was the only one actually in it so I knew he was the only one really in the movie and honestly the way they used him made sense to me. Ultimately the villains are all dead and would probably just want to return to rest. That’s kind of how most spirits act in traditional philosophy and mythology. They might still echo their past lives and actions but like… they know they’re done and it’s futile to hold on to a world that’s not there’s anymore. So they wouldn’t really have much to do other than be summoned, defend themselves, and then try to go home.

Idk man. I like that it was simpler. I don’t think it needed to be this big epic thing with complex character arcs and emotions and everything. Movies don’t all need to be that. And acting like they do is just… stressful.
Sure, there’s a time and a place for more simple, fun movies. I actually like a lot of movies like that. I’m by no means trying to say that every film needs to be this epic, dramatic story.

The problem is that was never what the Kung Fu Panda movies were, and I don’t think that’s what they should be trying to be. Go to another franchise for silly wacky zaniness, don’t twist up a series known for great drama, action and philosophy and turn it into something it’s not.
 

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Sure, there’s a time and a place for more simple, fun movies. I actually like a lot of movies like that. I’m by no means trying to say that every film needs to be this epic, dramatic story.

The problem is that was never what the Kung Fu Panda movies were, and I don’t think that’s what they should be trying to be. Go to another franchise for silly wacky zaniness, don’t twist up a series known for great drama, action and philosophy and turn it into something it’s not.
I mean it's the fourth movie and they're doing it like how many years later? They can only do so much. And like... I still think there was enough there with Po needing to find his successor and figure out how to be a spiritual leader instead of just fighting.
 

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Yeah, which is why we didn’t need another sequel.
I mean... I disagree. I always welcome a new installment of a franchise. Any franchise could be the thing that matters the most to some kid out there. As much as things like Star Wars or Marvel matter to other people. Franchises that are always going to constantly be getting new material to give to their fans. And just because they don't like those things, those kids shouldn't have to be punished and just not get new additions or installments of their favorite thing. Because of what, "Artistic merit"? Nah fam. Nobody should have to feel left out or feel like they need to conform with the pack in order to have new content to enjoy and to have the special and magical moments that can bring to a person.
 

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I mean... I disagree. I always welcome a new installment of a franchise. Any franchise could be the thing that matters the most to some kid out there. As much as things like Star Wars or Marvel matter to other people. Franchises that are always going to constantly be getting new material to give to their fans. And just because they don't like those things, those kids shouldn't have to be punished and just not get new additions or installments of their favorite thing. Because of what, "Artistic merit"? Nah fam. Nobody should have to feel left out or feel like they need to conform with the pack in order to have new content to enjoy and to have the special and magical moments that can bring to a person.
Well, Y’know, I prefer a film series to end on a good note as opposed to it just ****ting out movies of increasingly poorer quality forever but hey agree to disagree.
 

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Well, Y’know, I prefer a film series to end on a good note as opposed to it just ****ting out movies of increasingly poorer quality forever but hey agree to disagree.
sounds like you're gonna be forced by the corporate overlords to live through more forced out and ****ed over sequels
 

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You don't know what you're taking away from others.
I ain’t takin away ****. That series you love will always be there, even if it’s not getting a new show or movie or whatever. Enjoy it for what it is and what it means to you.


Why can some things go on forever and others can't?
Because when things keep going on in perpetuity they get stupid. The MCU is getting stupid, Star Wars is getting stupid, and I don’t know about you but I’d like my favorite series’ to avoid being stupid.

Now in the case of franchises like Ninja Turtles or something, they get a reboot every decade or so to keep things fresh. I’d honestly prefer if they rebooted the Panda series instead of taking the current continuity on a nosedive.

And Y’know what, somethings just don’t get to go on forever. Thats life. Sucks, but that’s how it is.

How dare I be mildly upset that a franchise I love is going down the drain, right?
 
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