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The Smash Lab: What is it?
- Thread starter SamuraiPanda
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Yes, though I've only had time to finish it once =_=
Tsugumi/You Bad Ending
Browny
Smash Hater
argh the wait to find out who gets in or not is killing me, quite literally
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Yeah, me too. Dx
M.K
Level 55
Don't we all wait in suspense? It's killing me, I check this thread like clockwork.
I'm going to be so dissapointed if I'm not accepted. I know I should be readying my concious for possible failure, but I'm very adamant about doing something for the community.
It isn't every day that the mods say "Hey guys, we need help to further the metagame, can you help?".
I'm going to be so dissapointed if I'm not accepted. I know I should be readying my concious for possible failure, but I'm very adamant about doing something for the community.
It isn't every day that the mods say "Hey guys, we need help to further the metagame, can you help?".
Same with me but I an not expecting it, I don't want to be dissapointed
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Sam here man. I think i found a potential Smash Lab partner (considering if eithe rof us get in).
What? Did panda say that there would be Smash Lab partners?
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Nope, i mjust sayng i ngeneral, wehave similar views. technically everyone would be partners, its not a single effort.
M.K
Level 55
Haha, that makes sense. "Lab Partners".
I'm assuming this will work something like the American Congress, in which groups of people will congregate to investigate things in the metagame.
Now....if we could only find out who those people are....
=D
infomon
Smash Scientist
I just hope that these Smash Lab discussions will be kept public.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Well this thread may be closed, and findings from the Lab will probably be posted for open discussion.
SamuraiPanda
Smash Hero
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Some delays have been happening with the invites. I'll hope to get them out later this week, though.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
No problem Panda man.
Adapt
Smash Lord
thanks for the update.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
hmm...a little late to the party eh?
*psst* i know the answer,ill just pm it or w/e
*psst* i know the answer,ill just pm it or w/e
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
The answers been kinda... posted? lol Or atleast a few potential and reasonable answers.
Browny
Smash Hater
We should still be given a chance to write an app jeez... im sure theres plenty of other people in my case who have done a lot of research most people would never know about since it only exists on 1 characters forums
M15t3R E
Smash Master
Has no one answered this puzzle about D3's grabs yet? Or someone has but SP just hasn't noticed?
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Kinda everything has been answered, tested out and verified through several contributors in this thread, so yes. The "mystery" has been lifted.
MuBa
Smash Lord
I've answered that question many posts ago. The main thing with D3's grab is hitstun. It's not the angle, it's just hitstun. I can even prove it just by adding more hitstun with the hack that's been recently found and everyone will fall on the ground like Kirby, MK, and all the other what it seems like the "light" characters have.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
That's the second wave.
Take your time, we don't whant it to be rushed with people who won't be good reserchers.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
*skips to last page*
*writes a summary in wall of text*
oh well, maybe i can be second>.>
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Lol its hard not to get your hopes up, but what comes comes in due time.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
My findings (as in milliseconds findings) also say that speed of thrown character is also a factor.
Adapt
Smash Lord
Yes is definitely is, back on page 4 I did a bit of stuff about the knockback (speed) of all characters
But the reason that people fall down and bounce is related to hitstun (lighter characters suffer more from hitstun)
I took a bit of a broader view of the whole thing. The chaingrab itself has a definite trend. The trick is to find out why Mario, Luigi and Samus are different from the rest of the cast.
It isn't because of fall speed or weight as you will soon see. The second column is the knockback of the Dthrow on the character.
ICGD (Infinite Chain Grab with no Decay)
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Multiple people have related hitstun in their answer lol
M.K
Level 55
Excuse me Adapt, but in that chart (which is beautifully constructed and very informative) what do the numbers in the "DDD Dthrow" column represent?
Adapt
Smash Lord
That is the knockback (as stated by the game engine). You can find it on your statistics at the end of every match.
I find it much more precise than to try and estimate knockback some other way
I find it much more precise than to try and estimate knockback some other way
M.K
Level 55
Oh, alright. I see now...
It does seem that the heavier characters have lower knockback rates (which is understandable), but what explains Fox? He has the most knockback, yet he is not the lightest character. Would his abnormal fall speed account for his position in the chart?
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
although i cant fully test it:
its because fox is a faster faller, since he hits the ground harder it gives him more horizontal distance
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
although i cant fully test it:
its because fox is a faster faller, since he hits the ground harder it gives him more horizontal distance
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Yes, exactly.
Adapt
Smash Lord
I have a lot of info that I learned from doing this research...
Notice how at a certain point fall speed starts to matter (around Zelda and lower) Everything else follows the weight list exactly.
And this is the exact point that DDD can't chaingrab the character.
MuBa has mentioned that at higher hitstun everyone falls to the ground, which indicates that the knockback at which fall speed starts to matter and the hitstun value are related.
I'm looking into this with other 0 knockback growth moves right now whenever I have time to do some testing
Notice how at a certain point fall speed starts to matter (around Zelda and lower) Everything else follows the weight list exactly.
And this is the exact point that DDD can't chaingrab the character.
MuBa has mentioned that at higher hitstun everyone falls to the ground, which indicates that the knockback at which fall speed starts to matter and the hitstun value are related.
I'm looking into this with other 0 knockback growth moves right now whenever I have time to do some testing
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Nothings over you head if you apply yourself.
/mom
/mom
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Can we have another question, please? This is too fun! Maybe the "lucario aura sphere stick" glitch, or something else?
infomon
Smash Scientist
... which raises the point... given the productivity of these public "Smash Lab" threads, is it really necessary for the Smash Lab to be an exclusive group? Or could we just have an "official" pool of public threads dedicated to resolving the mystery of particular topics?
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