The Simpsons Mafia || GAME OVER! Who lived hap-diddly-aply every after?

[ranmaru]

i could get behind a baddy lynch, DH is making me second guess.

Ori_bro is the person we really need to hear from the most

How? And i'm not really second guessing him though.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You're right, while DH's responses haven't really incriminated him further, they haven't really alleviated my concerns with him. I still don't like his reasoning for pushing me in the first place.

What I'm becoming more worried about however is Badwolf and his lack of content. He's done odd things like that 'town claim' comment earlier on, as well as jump on and then off my wagon that he hasn't given any explanation for. I was previously just marking them off as weird newb behavior but I can't give him the benefit of the doubt. Him continually pushing off his posts for later and later also doesn't help his case.

Actually going back to DH. He initially votes me to make me stop joking around but later on he switches to have a real read on me because of a misinterpreted post(s) of mine. Just feels odd

 

[ranmaru]

@Vynil: Next post, I want you to put a vote down. I want you to look at my Soup/DH case and comment on it.
@Ori_Bro: I want your vote in play. Once you post your thoughts I WANT A FRICKING VOTE.
@Summoner: It's cool, I'll await your response when you are fully awake and stuffs.
@Badwolf: I WANT A VOTE FROM YOU TOO. ****ing explain your actions. Or get lynched.[/SIZE]

Re-posting so everyone can see on new page.

Also, I want everyone to talk about the setup. You all know it'll be 1:2:5, meaning there will always be only two mafia and one serial killer. I got a bit confused with the 1-2 thing but Vandy says it all depends on the alignment of the FBI investigator. If we get two scum killed that would mean the FBI dude was town. I just want everyone to acknowledge this.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

All badwolf quotes:

Can you explain how your read went from 'shaky' to scum read in these few posts. Could you also elaborate on why your Unvote seems like you were only voting him to make him care about the game?
Can you please stop posting obnoxious pony images as well, that'd be real neato
Vote:Badwolf

Bolded: It never went from shaky to scum, I was just putting a vote down. I don't see why I shouldn't have done that.

Underlined:

oh it's cool to see you don't feel like responding to any of the stuff people have said about you

really top notch play, i'm so proud

There's no reason to be a douche.

Getting to Badwolf, it's simply not the same case, because Badwolf has a different way of playing this game, through observation I've noticed that Badwolf tends to get really angry or stubborn when someone gives him chase, maybe even a bit sarcastic. Attitude was an important factor to me, but something more important was how he was responding. Remember that talk about consistencies as alignment? Badwolf has his own, but I can't simply read him the same because Badwolf has an anti-town vibe about him that's hard to pin, right now I feel he has that same vibe. It's plausible that he's town but right now I dislike him merely because his overreaction to Vinyl. and him clinging behind his role, there's a guilty conscience there and it seems a bit preserved, Badwolf can be a headache but something sticks out to me especially because it seems like a ruse to seem town. I've tried to get Badwolf to explain his actions but I don't recall (I should possibly re-read) him saying anything about it or simply shrugging it off. The only other factors are between Summoner and Ori, which have both been a bit inactive. I skimmed Summoner's post as much as I skimmed Ori's, but now that I've cleared the fog a bit I'd like everyone to talk about this possibilities of one of them being scum.

All my questionable actions will be explained this post (Probably).

Summoner's question prompted me to reread badwolf, and I've found that he's actually been pretty damn scummy. Look at his early interaction with Vinyl. The "trying to claim a town role" comes completley out of the blue; before that, vinyl was talking about how badwolf buddy him as scum, and isn't buddying him now, which is far from "trying to claim a town role." In addition, his 98, where he votes macman, is incredibly safe ("This rea is shaky, but i'm going to vote macman"). So yeah, can definetley see badwolfscum without banking on macman scum.

Unvote, Vote: Badwolf

My vote on Mac was to get him to start actually caring about the game, if I had said "This vote isn't serious! HERP DERP." There would have been no point because he would have know that I would have jumped off the wagon before someone hammered.

IF YOU VOTE SOME ONE AND SAY IT'S FOR PRESSURE, YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING VERY LITTLE, AS SCUM KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH AGAINST THEM. IF YOU DON'T MENTION ANYTHING, SCUM COULD THINK THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING, AND BE A WHOLE HELL LOT MORE TELLING.

Pretty much this.

It's badwolf attempting to paint vinyl in an ugly light, in addition being pretty damn defensive. It's certainly scum motivation.

Ok, no. I was asking him what the point of the question was. There was no point to it and he knew that. The only reason I asked if he was trying to make me soft claim was because I don't like loaded questions.

Badwolf, you going to explain that **** to Summoner?

Also, what do you think of DH? Would you join the wagon?

Yes.

No, I'm looking at other people.

Right. So why do you think Badwolf unvoted Macman then?

Why the hell are you asking other people for my intent? I've said numerous times that I am getting to it. I just have RL stuff that is more important than mafia, like sleep and school.

There are a couple possible reasons to from a scum PoV:

A.) He felt as though macman would be a much harder lynch after he started stopping joking around

B.) He didn't want to get credit for a macman mislynch, especially since he had said that his read was shaky

C.) He was playing safe and did eventually be on the lynch (Look at the votecount now. He hasn't voted anyone since then)

So yeah, it makes sense from a scum PoV.

See? You get **** answers about how people believe what I'm thinking, when in actuality it's a lot more simple minded.

@Badwolf: I WANT A VOTE FROM YOU TOO. ****ing explain your actions. Or get lynched.

I've explained myself, I'm not voting right now.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok I would like to hear what other people you will look at, and why.

No, it's fine to sleep and all.

I asked because I wanted to see what he would say, yet he gave me just multiple options and didn't actually say what he thought it was what you were doing. It's perfectly ok to ask that.

Also, I liked your nahh pic. I agree with you on that posting pics doesn't really matter haha.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That legitimately did not answer any of my qualms I had with you at all Badwolf.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Ok I would like to hear what other people you will look at, and why.

No, it's fine to sleep and all.

I asked because I wanted to see what he would say, yet he gave me just multiple options and didn't actually say what he thought it was what you were doing. It's perfectly ok to ask that.

Also, I liked your nahh pic. I agree with you on that posting pics doesn't really matter haha.

Um, I want to look into Soup more, I feel as if people have written him off as Town wayyy too soon. He's kinda taking the game by the wheel and I'm kinda wary of that because I've played with J scum in RL.

Ugh, sorry about being aggro, I've just had a really long week with school starting back up and coming on here and seeing posts like "Oh you're writing everything off" kinda pisses me off. I'm legitamitly reading, I just don't have a lot of time for walls lately.

Thanks, I thought it was funny for that situation.

That legitimately did not answer any of my qualms I had with you at all Badwolf.

Ask me questions then. Tell me what you want to know.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

...........

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

*ahem*

• Why did you hide behind your role when Vinyl. attacked you and come to the pretense that he was rolefishing you?
• Why do you consistently try to dodge every single question I present or make terrible posts like that last one you made?
• Why do you try to justify your own actions with another's? You literally said "oh DH did it so it's okay for me do it."
• Why haven't you read the read?
• What are your current reads?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wait I remembered a couple

• Why do you shrug off Summoner's questions to you also? Why do you use RL as an excuse so much?
• Why are you so vague in your post? You say you're looking at other people but don't explain who.

You make it seriously hard to like your slot.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

*ahem*

• Why did you hide behind your role when Vinyl. attacked you and come to the pretense that he was rolefishing you?
• Why do you consistently try to dodge every single question I present or make terrible posts like that last one you made?
• Why do you try to justify your own actions with another's? You literally said "oh DH did it so it's okay for me do it."
• Why haven't you read the read?
• What are your current reads?

1. I don't understand what you mean by hiding behind my role.
2. ಠ_ಠ I spent an hour on that "terrible post". Try taking your own advice here Soup. And I'm clearly not dodging questions or else I would have just ignored you.
3. Where the hell did I say that? I don't care to do what others are doing.
4. Whut. Do you mean thread? I have. I don't have time to make a ****ing wall every night.
5. I'll put them up later tonight.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Wait I remembered a couple

• Why do you shrug off Summoner's questions to you also? Why do you use RL as an excuse so much?
• Why are you so vague in your post? You say you're looking at other people but don't explain who.

You make it seriously hard to like your slot.

1. Because I'm taking 5 college level classes, getting up at 5:30, have insomnia most nights, and generally have a headache most of the time. I don't like complaining, but I like it more than being *****y at my RL actions.

2. I'm looking at you.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

You make it seriously hard to like your slot.

Join the club, they're handing out buttons.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Badwolf, getting antagonistic or copping an attitude doesn't make me like your slot more, suck it up and listen to what i'm saying instead of pretending you're better than me to get criticism about your play this game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

1. I don't understand what you mean by hiding behind my role.

You freaking claimed that Vinyl. was fishing for your town role based on one measly freaking conversation with him, you overreacted in the biggest sense of overreaction, regardless if you didn't read the rules or not.

2. ಠ_ಠ I spent an hour on that "terrible post". Try taking your own advice here Soup. And I'm clearly not dodging questions or else I would have just ignored you.

You spent an hour on that? You didn't do anything. You make small comments but you never took the effort to explain your actions in detail.

. Where the hell did I say that? I don't care to do what others are doing.

IF YOU VOTE SOME ONE AND SAY IT'S FOR PRESSURE, YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING VERY LITTLE, AS SCUM KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH AGAINST THEM. IF YOU DON'T MENTION ANYTHING, SCUM COULD THINK THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING, AND BE A WHOLE HELL LOT MORE TELLING.

Pretty much this.

That was your explanation.

4. Whut. Do you mean thread? I have. I don't have time to make a ****ing wall every night.

I didn't ask for a wall, I asked to respond to players sufficiently, take time with your posting and think about what you're going to say. Your post taught me nothing about your slot.

5. I'll put them up later tonight.

I'll be waiting.

1. Because I'm taking 5 college level classes, getting up at 5:30, have insomnia most nights, and generally have a headache most of the time. I don't like complaining, but I like it more than being *****y at my RL actions.

Then if it's going to become a legitimate issue or you think you'll be staggering the game; consider calling for V/LA or replacing out, seriously. This isn't a threat, it's advice.

2. I'm looking at you.

Great! Lay it on me.

 

[ranmaru]

Chill. Take a lesson from july... She has five classes and manages... By making walls xD

And why the hell you getting up at 5 am get late nite classes yo

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Spoiler

Anything I say in-game does not reflect how I feel out of it, if I am getting snippy with a player I am only getting snippy with them with game-related issues, I don't want to anyone feel like I'm personally attacking but that is never my intention.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah what soup said. Just because school is stressful doesnt mean you should dump it on the game. Instead i suggest doing that in the social thread, privately with a friend/dgamer or on skype. plan your posting times well separetly from school work. Guess what you might have to write walls cuz you don't get to sit and see all of the thread develop. You gotta address it all in one go /armhair

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Badwolf, getting antagonistic or copping an attitude doesn't make me like your slot more, suck it up and listen to what i'm saying instead of pretending you're better than me to get criticism about your play this game.

I never said I was better, I have no doubt that you are better at this game, but you don't need to be analysing my RL for time to play a game.

You freaking claimed that Vinyl. was fishing for your town role based on one measly freaking conversation with him, you overreacted in the biggest sense of overreaction, regardless if you didn't read the rules or not.

Semi-granted. I still don't have a scum read on him.

You spent an hour on that? You didn't do anything. You make small comments but you never took the effort to explain your actions in detail.

Yeah, I did. I don't feel as if writing a wall to explain one action is intelligent.

That was your explanation.

1. that was from you.

2. I placed my vote on him to make him post some actual content rather than "Oh I'm just screwing around. I haven't started caring yet."

I didn't ask for a wall, I asked to respond to players sufficiently, take time with your posting and think about what you're going to say. Your post taught me nothing about your slot.

Believe it or not, I spend most my time thinking about what I'm going to say.

I'll be waiting.

Then if it's going to become a legitimate issue or you think you'll be staggering the game; consider calling for V/LA or replacing out, seriously. This isn't a threat, it's advice.

I have time, but you can't expect me to respond to everything as soon as it's posted. Really what I want is for you to trust me when I say I'm going to do it.

Great! Lay it on me.

Will do.

Chill. Take a lesson from july... She has five classes and manages... By making walls xD

And why the hell you getting up at 5 am get late nite classes yo

I'm in High School. I'm taking 5 AP classes plus 2 normal classes. I can't get night classes.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Spoiler

Anything I say in-game does not reflect how I feel out of it, if I am getting snippy with a player I am only getting snippy with them with game-related issues, I don't want to anyone feel like I'm personally attacking but that is never my intention.

I understand. I get the same way.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Semi-granted. I still don't have a scum read on him.

Okay, so listen to me. You don't have a scum-read on him. Why did you get so upset then? Why was there a need to overreact like the way you did? It made absolutely not sense if you're not scum-reading him.

Yeah, I did. I don't feel as if writing a wall to explain one action is intelligent.

It's not about intelligence, it's about informing us. I don't care if you're not the next Shakespeare all I want from you is proper cooperation and being able to explain things, your post left me with absolutely nothing.

Believe it or not, I spend most my time thinking about what I'm going to say.

Write down what you're thinking, and just it flow on the keyboard, you obviously have thoughts. Like I said, I don't need Shakespeare, it doesn't need to be a masterpiece, it just needs to be readable and understandable that responds to every issue a player has with your slot.

 

[Ori_bro]

Concerning Ori, does he usually play like this? Or does he get more involved? Because if so, I can see him as third party trying to lay low.

Yes, its how I have always played Mafia. I'm never the most active I usually observe and post when I'm asked about my opinions. I will occasionally push but right now I having a lot of trouble getting a read on people.


Also, I lost my post because accidentally went a page back. So I lost all my stuff responding to many of DH's posts. I can give a summary of what I was saying.

I don't believe DH is showing much scum play. He stated that a lot of his votes were in fact purely pressure based. I see that when looking at his stuff. None of his posts show that he is tunneling at people trying to make them slip up and post something poor. I think Macman was trying to tunnel DH but that is my view. I think he should definitely be kept under the radar though.

I still think a Badwolf is the best choice for today. After seeing him post whether its in response to others or just saying what is on his mind its really interesting. Like he gets angry when people try to ask him stuff. And he acts childish a lot in his interactions with Macman and even more recent in his stuff with Soup.


Vote: Badwolf

Other than BW DH should be looked at tomorrow.

 

[ranmaru]

I would like for you to address DH's posts and my case when you get the time to though. I know you try to observer but I want you to at least address those, the ones including Soup as well. Sorry to see that your post got eaten.

Also what is your opinion on Vinyl?

 

[ranmaru]

Badwolf you are at L-1. Claim only when someone states an intention to hammer.

Macman, tell me if you want to go in the direction in DH, or try for a DH vote block.

@Vinyl: Give me your reads, and stance on the Badwolf wagon. Do you want him gone yes/no.

 

[ranmaru]

lol, I mean direction in Badwolf.

 

[ranmaru]

Actually, you can claim if you want to. It would be safer to do so.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'm having serious thoughts about self-hammering.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'm inanimate carbon rod, VT. btw.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't believe DH is showing much scum play. He stated that a lot of his votes were in fact purely pressure based. I see that when looking at his stuff. None of his posts show that he is tunneling at people trying to make them slip up and post something poor. I think Macman was trying to tunnel DH but that is my view. I think he should definitely be kept under the radar though.

so doees that make you think i'm scum? town?

also who should be kept under the radar, me or dh?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

baddy do not ****in hammer

soup baddy is not the play right now

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Badwolf you are at L-1. Claim only when someone states an intention to hammer.

Macman, tell me if you want to go in the direction in DH, or try for a DH vote block.

@Vinyl: Give me your reads, and stance on the Badwolf wagon. Do you want him gone yes/no.

dh vote block? huh?

also I'm definitely leaning going with a Dark Horse lynch. Baddy seems to really just be newbie Town. Baddy, how many games have you played?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

baddy do not ****in hammer

soup baddy is not the play right now

Sigh. Badwolf has played like 4 games, that self-vote thing just really came out of nowhere.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yes, its how I have always played Mafia. I'm never the most active I usually observe and post when I'm asked about my opinions. I will occasionally push but right now I having a lot of trouble getting a read on people.


Also, I lost my post because accidentally went a page back. So I lost all my stuff responding to many of DH's posts. I can give a summary of what I was saying.

I don't believe DH is showing much scum play. He stated that a lot of his votes were in fact purely pressure based. I see that when looking at his stuff. None of his posts show that he is tunneling at people trying to make them slip up and post something poor. I think Macman was trying to tunnel DH but that is my view. I think he should definitely be kept under the radar though.

I still think a Badwolf is the best choice for today. After seeing him post whether its in response to others or just saying what is on his mind its really interesting. Like he gets angry when people try to ask him stuff. And he acts childish a lot in his interactions with Macman and even more recent in his stuff with Soup.


Vote: Badwolf

Other than BW DH should be looked at tomorrow.

**** it, i'm just gonna go ahead and say it, this post reeks of ori scum with dh.

he says he doesn't see much scum play in DH, yet he says we should focus on DH tomorrow? wtf why would you want to focus on him tmrw if you don't see him as scum?

Your reason for not thinking dh scum is because none of his posts seem tunneled? uh ok... yet you say you think it seemed like i'm tunneling DH in my posts. So it would seem if anything, you would lean scum on me. Yet dark horse is the person who we should look at tomorrow? huh? that doesn't make sense. To reiterate, if tunneling is scummy and you think i was tunneling on DH, but you DON'T think DH was tunneling on me than why do you think we should focus on DH tomorrow instead of someone like me?

(ofc this is ignoring the flawed concept of tunneling being scummy)

also wtf at your reasons for thinking baddy is scum? how is any of that indicative of scum play. Being childish and getting angry? oh wow super scum bro.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

soup just unvote for now

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: ori_bro

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

dh vote block? huh?

also I'm definitely leaning going with a Dark Horse lynch. Baddy seems to really just be newbie Town. Baddy, how many games have you played?

Newb 18 Scum till endgame
19 Scum lynched D1
20 Scum till endgame
21 Town lynched D1
22 Ongoing
GS2 tracker till endgame
GS3 Town Lynched D1
Catherine Modkilled (My Fault)
This one.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I wasn't going to include RL games. Not exactly 4 but whatever.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

btw this self-hammer AtE bull**** trend in DGames needs to ****in stop

jesus christ

 

[#HBC | Mac]

baddy, you've played a lot of games as scum. What would you say are your scum tells? Be honest cuz I'm going to go through your scum games and I better be able to pick up on some.

Would you say your play in this game differs than from your play as scum

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Not AtE, just severe annoyance.