The Simpsons Mafia || GAME OVER! Who lived hap-diddly-aply every after?

[vanderzant]

"Oh, Bart, cartoons don't have to be 100% realistic."

Deadline: 12.01am 30th August EST
With 8 Alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Vote Count
Badwolf28738 : SummonerAU, Dark Horse, Ori_bro
Dark Horse : Ranmaru
Ori_bro : Macman

Not Voting (3)
Vinyl
Badwolf28738
Яagnarock

 

[Ori_bro]

Sorry to do this when I can see I've been asked a lot since I last posted. But I have to go V/LA its a tourney weekend here in MI and I'm housing players and will have limited time on the boards. I will respond if I'm able!

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

*facepalm*
Ugh Ori

 

[ranmaru]

That does make sense...

It feels like ori said dh tommorow so it could seem like he was willing to look at dh after without even considering bads flip... But he disagreed with dh scum so... Wtf?

vote: ori

 

[ranmaru]

hm, I just realized that finding the SK is more important than finding scum. If we lynch both scum back to back, we're in mylo...

But if we lynch the SK we can prevent kills, and basically just pick 2 obv townies and lynch everyone else.

Also, in mylo, we should No-Lynch, it gives the FBI time to investigate and also takes gives us a better chance of lynching scum.

yo wtf, this set up is hard...

So are you sure on Ori/DH or you want to head in the direction of DH to be safe?

Also, who do you think are good targets to check out for the FBI dude?

 

[ranmaru]

DH you gonna vote Ori or what?

Soup, updated read on Ori/DH plz after Badwolf gets to you

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH was saying that what 'Ori did' connects him to BadWolf.

DH, if baddy was town, would you still suspect Ori?

Yeah, because what ori did has been pretty scummy on its own.

Also, in some post a while ago (I forget which one) you say you're willing to get behind badwolf. Later, you say that you're only voting me/ori today. What happened to your badwolf read?

Soup, it seems like you and macman both think ori was just looking for a wagon to hop on. How does ori's original questioning about badwolf make sense, then? I don't see the need for him to "get more ammo" against badwolf, when he could just take what someone else said and hop on (I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this).

 

[ranmaru]

I just don't get why Ori said he didn't believe in the Badwolf wagon yet now is ok with it without really saying. He said he was making a big post (he was reading for a long time) yet somehow it vanished and he only just summarized. Seems fishy to me. I also don't like how he votes Baddy and says you tommorow, when he already disagreed for the reasoning for DHscum. It's like... he's trying to SEEM consistent when he forgot that he was already against it... which I find scummy, it sounds like he is trying to fake a town mindset yet forgets that that isn't his natural mindset.

 

[ranmaru]

DH, talk to me. You gonna vote Ori or what?

 

[ranmaru]

Also, talk to me about the setup. Are you more sure of Baddy scum or Ori scum?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH, talk to me. You gonna vote Ori or what?

I'm down.

Unvote, Vote: Ori

Consider my vote on badwolf in spirit

As for who I think is scummier, I'm honestly not sure. I'd be fine with lynching either of them today.

As for the setup, we get 1 mislynch, right? Then we're in scum majority, assuming SK hits town? If we lynch mafia today, then that puts it at 4 vs 1 vs 1. The best option would be to lynch the SK, putting it at 4 vs 1, with two mislynches. If we lynch mafia, then it becomes 3 vs 1 mylo, which is still possible, though not as lax as if we get the SK. The problem with finding the SK, however, is that I haven't really been looking for it.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

V/LA Until 8 tonight, when I will do a reread and lay everything I have on Soup.

 

[vanderzant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcVaGqxyAI

"I know you can read MY thoughts Boy.
Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow."

Deadline: 12.01am 30th August EST
With 8 Alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Vote Count
Ori_bro : Macman, Ranmaru, Dark Horse
Badwolf28738 : SummonerAU, Ori_bro

Not Voting (3)
Vinyl
Badwolf28738
Яagnarock

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yeah, because what ori did has been pretty scummy on its own.

Also, in some post a while ago (I forget which one) you say you're willing to get behind badwolf. Later, you say that you're only voting me/ori today. What happened to your badwolf read?

Soup, it seems like you and macman both think ori was just looking for a wagon to hop on. How does ori's original questioning about badwolf make sense, then? I don't see the need for him to "get more ammo" against badwolf, when he could just take what someone else said and hop on (I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this).

I stopped thinking baddy could be scum. Why does this matter?

Also I find it very odd that you keep asking about this ori's original questioning ****. It was ori's first post of the game. It's a very neutral and normal thing to ask for reasoning regarding a player as either scum or town. It's not like it'd look good to hop on an actual wagon the first post of the game. Maybe he wanted to make it appear that he was actually contemplating/thinking about the game.

You keep asking this, yet you're confident about ori scum..? Why do you ask this then? If my answer wasn't sufficient, how would that change your read on Ori?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Ran, I'm not sure who I want more, DH or Ori... I think I'm leaning DH for now.

Do you still have DH as a scum lean?

Don't you thinking it's scummy (SK-tell-y) to ask me who my SK reads are?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Seriously?

The reasoning I'm asking is not because of my read on ori scum, but the statement that badwolf/ori are aligned, which you and soup, among others seem to disagree with. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense for them to not be partners due to that interaction, so I asked soup how it makes sense, considering he believes it does.

Also, I looked back, and you know what's bugging me? When ori firsts posts, he comments on the badwolf wagon starting up, and then proceeds to question people about it. He doesn't mention anything about, say, the pushes on macman and vinyl. And before you go "But DH! There was a wagon on badwolf!" realize that at the time there were only two votes on badwolf, only one more than several other wagons such as vinyl and macman.

 

[ranmaru]

I think of it as DH trying to put the attention on you, since you said were thinking about changing to Baddy, yet I was like 'no wai mang' and you were like 'o u rite'. I don't see it as SK-EEEE but you'd have to demonstrate why you think it's SK-EEE with quotes etc, deff would help to understand what you mean.

I do still have DH as scum lean yeah.

I also think we should direct the FBI Agent tonite. Might help us find the SK.

I'll vote along with ya if you want to go DH. I'll be on phone for now. (Groceries)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Oh DH, are you expecting ORI to flip scum? You tryna pin a connection to me/vinyl/anyone else before the Ori's lynch occurs? I'm sorry that it's too late for you. It wasn't your fault. Ori_bro exposed you. Blame him! Maybe next time thing's'll go a lil bit better. Keep your chin up buddy!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

fwiw it's worth, I switched of baddy because I'm suspecting newbTown over scum. Unfortunately his AtE and general belligerence makes me lean town... plus he doesn't have a super incriminating post like ori_bro does.

We're not directing the FBI agent. They can target whoever they want. Though I think it does make sense to atleast talk about it.

For now, SummonerAU is my strongest SK possibility just due to POE. You and Baddy would be my runner ups. But I feel better about Summoner.

I think i'd go with Summoner > Ran > Baddy for SK. And DH/Ori for scum. Pretty sure that's the game right there...

ggs everyone it's been fun

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Oh DH, are you expecting ORI to flip scum? You tryna pin a connection to me/vinyl/anyone else before the Ori's lynch occurs? I'm sorry that it's too late for you. It wasn't your fault. Ori_bro exposed you. Blame him! Maybe next time thing's'll go a lil bit better. Keep your chin up buddy!

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Like seriously, are you ****ing kidding me?

You're trying to say that I was trying to pin tons of other people with my last post? I thought it could be deduced that I was showing a badwolf/ori connection, byt apparently not.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Also, I looked back, and you know what's bugging me? When ori firsts posts, he comments on the badwolf wagon starting up, and then proceeds to question people about it. He doesn't mention anything about, say, the pushes on macman and vinyl. And before you go "But DH! There was a wagon on badwolf!" realize that at the time there were only two votes on badwolf, only one more than several other wagons such as vinyl and macman.

I guess I misread your intentions here? I get a lil defensive when chatting with scum. Thought you were tryna insinuate that Ori not talking about us was connecting.

Also, 1 vote is not a wagon -_-

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

2 votes is not much more.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

And if you were joking with your badwolf vote, then there was only one person who was really supporting the badwolf lynch.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS ENTIRE THING UP.

lol

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Yeah, I brought the whole wagon stuff up. Why? Because it points to badwolf/ori scumteam.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

And i simply think that's ******** (along with Soup and Ran I think?)

Don't think there's much more to say on this point. What are your reads on the SK? mafia has to SK-hunt too so i can atleast cooperate with you on that.

Also Vinyl, get the **** in here. You were active before... don't make me regret that town read.

Also can't wait for Summoner to get back. And I think i've given up on badwolf being helpful. (Baddy, wanna just proxy your vote to mine for the rest of the game and listen to everything I tell you? you owe me this because I saved your life!)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Don't you thinking it's scummy (SK-tell-y) to ask me who my SK reads are?

What are your reads on the SK?

I've narrowed it down to three people via poe. You, Vinyl, Summoner. Ran and soup I can bank on town. I'm town. Badwolf and ori are scumbuds.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't think it's scummy. I just wanted to see what Ran would say

 

[ranmaru]

fwiw it's worth, I switched of baddy because I'm suspecting newbTown over scum. Unfortunately his AtE and general belligerence makes me lean town... plus he doesn't have a super incriminating post like ori_bro does.

We're not directing the FBI agent. They can target whoever they want. Though I think it does make sense to atleast talk about it.

For now, SummonerAU is my strongest SK possibility just due to POE. You and Baddy would be my runner ups. But I feel better about Summoner.

I think i'd go with Summoner > Ran > Baddy for SK. And DH/Ori for scum. Pretty sure that's the game right there...

ggs everyone it's been fun

I still think Soup/DH are scum together. Ori is also scummy to me, yet to me the soup/dh pairing makes more sense. So hopefully he'll flip Sk and we can go from there, yet to me DH is definite scum so going to either of them in my pov is win/win.

My read on vinyl is solid town, you town, and Baddy town.

Summoner is a null.

 

[ranmaru]

So, if we get Serial Killer today, and mafia tommorow, I think D3 we should mass claim. That way it would be a 1/3 chance to find the mafia. And this is in the worst scenario.

Macman what do you think of Soup's determination with Badwolf?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ranmaru why are you voting Ori if you still have me and DH as your scum-picks, unless you're somehow including Ori in this

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nevermind I read, you think he's plausibly SK? What if he's just scum? Where do your reads change dependent on Ori's flip

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, it seems like you and macman both think ori was just looking for a wagon to hop on. How does ori's original questioning about badwolf make sense, then? I don't see the need for him to "get more ammo" against badwolf, when he could just take what someone else said and hop on (I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this).

He set himself and made himself viable to be comfortable on the wagon just in case it was pushed, I was grilling Badwolf at that time and him to just come out of nowhere and pretend he hasn't read the thread or have not a single clue why I was pushing Badwolf was terrible.

I really wish Ranmaru would drop this DH/Me scum-team thing, mostly because all points made for it have been refuted unless I somehow missed something.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, updated read on Ori/DH plz after Badwolf gets to you

Or I could save you the trouble and tell you now. I think DH is town, more or less his jump on Ori isn't that great but I have my own reasoning to hammer Ori right now if I wanted to, the only concern I really have is what is delveoping between him and mac. Ori's been talked about and I'm close to just dropping the hammer, but I want Vinyl. to get in here and do something mildly useful, I was kinda serious about that SK thing with macman; he's one of my picks.

 

[Vinylic.]

Also Vinyl, get the **** in here. You were active before... don't make me regret that town read.

Spent most of my time in gym yesterday. Will catch up and see any questions.

To ran,

Putting my vote down. Something about a scum team.
Doing random RVS vote as putting down my vote.

Vote: Soup

Will catch up and Unvote to vote again.

 

[Vinylic.]

Vinyl, what information would you get from knowing Macman's alignment right now and how would you reads changes on people with each option?

I don't know what you mean by alignment. But the only info He would've said is "if ran got off me for the moment, I would make a case and this and that guy and push", but he didn't understand what I was saying. This wouldn't dramatically change reads after he says something like that, but of he does act on that rather than defending himself from the past pages, that'd be great.

Now, onto this.

He just votes Vinyl and wants me to get on his wagon without much of a reason. I didn't really know what he was going for, but this is something to keep in mind with the rest of his actions. In fact, Soup: Why did you vote Vinyl and want me (and maybe others) to join the wagon?

Here it seemed like a quick reaction to Badwolf's response to me when I said I saw him viewing and not post yet. What soup doesn't realize that it seems Badwolf has GENERALLY been playing safe, and not just per his alignment. Remember Gheb's game? I told him to be more serious because he was starting to be a hindrance to his alignment (Scum or Town), and he said he would take the advice to heart. So I didn't really find his response as scummy, it made sense. I felt Soup's jump on Badwolf was opportunistic.

Here, Soup shows that Badwolf showed a reaction he didn't expect. Yet, how did that reflect on his reads? He says he was prodding to get discussion up (which did) but I don't feel like that was the reason he was doing so. He says Badwolf kept his head cool for that, so that must mean it wasn't scum motivated or what? Soup, can you explain your thought process here? Was this a scum reaction or town reaction?

I didn't like that Soup was already accepting Mac into the brocrew without much content from him or Soup attempting to read him. This felt like buddy connection here, at first.

I don't see what the point of Soup critisizing Bad's reads for being surface level even though it was still RVS. I felt this was Soup trying to make a connection between Mac and Bad, even though Soup was fine with Mac already. Soup, can you explain why it was important to ask Badwolf about this? How did it help you find scum?

Dude, are you seriously making suspicions on soup based on his posts from an RVS stage? Really?
I don't think I've encountered a case like this before, so why are you probable that soup's looking fishy in those posts?

DH's vote here seems like DH trying to get on macman's wagon since he said he'd support me in spirit, yet he hasn't given the reason why he did before, since Macman said that AFTER DH said he already was considering Mac. It doesn't line up. I feel this is a bit opportunistic.

Bold + Underlined:

I don't see the point of him voting Vinyl because of how he himself acted in Celeb. Everyone acts and thinks differently so this seems like him trying to justify his vote on vinyl with a bad reason (him trying to apply his own actions to other people's thoughts+actions, no other way I can explain it), especially since he didn't consider it enough to lynch. Also consider DH's "Oh I was doing it to pressure" is on the same line's as Soup's early pressure as well, and consider DH voted Vinyl (right below the bad vote) on page 1 as well.


I also don't like that Soup has a weak reason for having a town read on DH. DH also has soup as town yet doesn't give a reason at first, and once he does it is also weak.

I have a scum read on DH and Soup from all this. Individual tells and connections. If DH flips scum I deff think Soup is scum with him. Badwolf is an option to look into afterwords, but I don't think so now. I mean I had a town read on him but his unvote on Mac was a bit weird, since it was inconsistent with his reads. Yet, I can see it as Mac just seeming town to him (since he started caring) so that could have been why Baddy unvoted. I like Summoner's initiative here.

DH I can understand, but the case on soup is sounding so off, I would have to keep reading it over again to see what you mean. I

Now, here's something that get's me a little bit off.

Dark Horse votes Vinyl yet doesn't express why, yet says "Dead serious here"

I ask him, yet he cuts the question out from the quote and doesn't answer, yet does say he has a vote on Macman in spirit. I feel this may be scum motivated in re-reading. I felt at the time it was him agreeing to support me, yet he says that wasn't focused on my push on Mac at all.

If he didn't give you the answer on why he voted me when he responded, why didn't you take action you were responding to DH before than now?

 

[Vinylic.]

Really, the only probable scum feel you would gain from soup is his weak reasoning on DH.

So...........wtf? Unvote

 

[Vinylic.]

*facepalm*
Ugh Ori

To kill my curiosity, why this reaction?

 

[ranmaru]

@Soup: I think I would have to look into Summoner and keep my eye on you, basically. Why is Macman a SK pick for you? Sorry I missed the post you talk about that, could you quote it?

@Vinyl: Yeah, I suspected him and even his RVS actions. What's the problem there?

Also, after he ignored it I left it alone to see what he would do and just note it for later. It wasn't a concern to me because I wasn't focusing on him at the time.

Also, what do you think of Soup's reads?

And why did you vote Soup?

 

[ranmaru]

Oh and yeah, what do you think about Oreo Bro?