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The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy for SSB4 (A New Daisy for Smash Thread Opens See Pg. 197)

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That was a bad joke on my part. :troll:

But yeah, Daisy had lost her chance to be playable thanks to Rosie. She just needs a major role in a non-spinoff Mario title to fix it.
Toad has had plenty of major roles in non spinoffs
 

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Yeah, he's been shoved aside so many times for being too cute and "not a fighter" (The later and former I disagree with).
Well, until Brawl, I'm not sure he really had his place; now--- oh now, he surely does, and of course he would have been a better option than Dr Mario too.

I retract my prior statement.

In fact... I think if that game hadnt been rushed, if we didnt get such cheap clones, we may have had some regulars now that were givens. And maybe not others that never belonged (Falco...)
 

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That was a bad joke on my part. :troll:

But yeah, Daisy had lost her chance to be playable thanks to Rosie. She just needs a major role in a non-spinoff Mario title to fix it.
Other than Super Mario Land? But me personally, I think she needs more than that. Rosie's popularity is too much for the spunky princess.
 

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Other than Super Mario Land? But me personally, I think she needs more than that. Rosie's popularity is too much for the spunky princess.
I really think that, despite Daisy never having had too much of a shot anyway, Rosalina, as the new princess, and incredibly unique, plus all spacey-shiny, killed the morsel of a shot Daisy ever could have really had. It is a lot like wanting Dragonite to be playable.
 

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I think that if Daisy ever was able to reach close to Rosalina's popularity or uniqueness she'd be viable and possibly likely.

But I think it would take a major/playable appearance to reach either of these.

I don't think it's just "if she appears in a main game again she can be playable"
I think that, there are certain things she'd have to do to reach other factors in a new playable or major appearance, which either way, would have to happen.

I do like a lot of the movesets I've seen for her, and I love to play as her in the spinoffs more than any other Mario character (except Rosalina now that she's actually getting in them), but for now, I'll just take the orange Peach color swap and be happy.
 

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If Sakurai and/or Nintendo really wanted someone to represent the Mario sports franchises, I'd rather they give that 'spot' to Daisy than Waluigi. Always liked Daisy, use her in most titles, but she doesn't seem to have any distinguishing traits to gather Sakurai's attention.
 

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I'm seeing you everywhere and liking the same characters.... Yeah, Daisy doesn't seem to have a chance, but I'd love to at least see Peach get a costume with a voice over and special effects relative to Daisy if nothing else..
Agreed. Maybe Affinity, SSF2, or Crusade will do that in the future.

I also want the "Hot Stuff!" Taunt.
 

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Taunts:
"Hooott Stufff! He-he... yeah-eahh!!"
"Hi I'm Daisy!"
"Yeahh! Wa-hoo! I did it!!"

I think it would be funny if they tried to make her the most vocal and annoying character ever.
Like if on the select screen and you changed what team she was on, she'd say:

"Yea! Red team!"
"Blue team's the BEST!"
"Green Team!! WOW!"

Red and Blue are taken from Mario Kart. I made up green..
 

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You know what would be a cool ability. Her Down Special should be the Hearts from Mario Kart: Double Dash. Two hearts orbit around her, and automatically absorb ip to two projectiles or items. Pressing Down B again will shoot the item closest to the front of her forawrd.
 

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Wait. A Daisy thread? And I'm not participating? What kind of twisted alternate reality is this?
Taunts:
"Hooott Stufff! He-he... yeah-eahh!!"
"Hi I'm Daisy!"
"Yeahh! Wa-hoo! I did it!!"

I think it would be funny if they tried to make her the most vocal and annoying character ever.
Like if on the select screen and you changed what team she was on, she'd say:

"Yea! Red team!"
"Blue team's the BEST!"
"Green Team!! WOW!"

Red and Blue are taken from Mario Kart. I made up green..
Damn, I just can't imagine the rage if there was a "HI I'M DAISY" taunt. Peach's "lalala" would be nothing compared to this.
 

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You know what would be a cool ability. Her Down Special should be the Hearts from Mario Kart: Double Dash. Two hearts orbit around her, and automatically absorb ip to two projectiles or items. Pressing Down B again will shoot the item closest to the front of her forawrd.
I don't know, it does seems more like a Special Ability for Peach since she's more connected to hearts than Daisy. On the other hand, it would be a great way of representing Mario Kart in her moveset.
 

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I like Daisy, but I think she makes people uneasy. Mainly haters. People what her to be in games, but want not have a helpless DID role. From what a read people want her to be able to defend herself. Also comparable to the main heroes in strength and fighting ability. Means she might start stepping on other characters toes. Difficulty character to incorporate in the main series. With out making it seem like she'll undermined the others, petty as it sounds it can be tough pill too swallow. And I'm noticed a trend with Rosalina...avoid treating something like it's too precious or delicate...Um people's Little Mac vs Rosalina personal photos.
 
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Giving her the Falcondorf treatment would work, especially since she's a popular choice in Japan on par with other Mario characters.
heh i can understand the term luigifing, and falconfing... but ganodorfing makes me think of daisy being a clone of captain falcon... which would be quite hilarious... her final smash would be a landmaster though....
 

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I feel so bad for Daisy. Ever since her debut she really hasn't done anything beyond sports/party titles, and the moment Rosalina showed up she was basically shoved aside in Nintendo's eyes.
 

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I feel so bad for Daisy. Ever since her debut she really hasn't done anything beyond sports/party titles, and the moment Rosalina showed up she was basically shoved aside in Nintendo's eyes.
Well, that was her resurgence. When she FIRST showed up, she did even less.
 

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Well, now that we know that every character will have an alternate costume a la Mario Wario (not WarioWare Wario) in brawl, or wireframe costume little mac in the new games, why doesn't Peach have Daisy as her alternate costume? People have already talked about making her a costume with her colours etc. which they did in brawl already, but now that alternate costumes for different "characters" are really a thing, I don't see why Peach shouldn't have different voice clips if she plays as Daisy, make her pink flowers/hearts orange and maybe even changing the textures for a few moves (Daisy doesn't make much sense with Perry, but what about riding a magic carpet with a turnip held above her or something?). Peach's down special is already from Daisy's game, and things like her side smash arguably fit Daisy better as well (the golf club attack). This would just be a nice little thing to include in the game for Daisy fans imo.
 

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Well, now that we know that every character will have an alternate costume a la Mario Wario (not WarioWare Wario) in brawl, or wireframe costume little mac in the new games, why doesn't Peach have Daisy as her alternate costume? People have already talked about making her a costume with her colours etc. which they did in brawl already, but now that alternate costumes for different "characters" are really a thing, I don't see why Peach shouldn't have different voice clips if she plays as Daisy, make her pink flowers/hearts orange and maybe even changing the textures for a few moves (Daisy doesn't make much sense with Perry, but what about riding a magic carpet with a turnip held above her or something?). Peach's down special is already from Daisy's game, and things like her side smash arguably fit Daisy better as well (the golf club attack). This would just be a nice little thing to include in the game for Daisy fans imo.
some argue the name change is somehow cumbersome to program
 
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Gotta bump this thread.

'Cause Daisy.
 

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Gotta bump this thread.

'Cause Daisy.
You support her?

Even though there's a chance that we may have DLC (thanks to Sal Romano), I think certain Mario characters like Junior or Paper Mario would make it over her (as much as I would like it).

Since the Villager and Wii Fit Trainer have in depth alternate costumes, having Daisy as a fully detailed alternate costume for Peach (complete with the different voice and details) would be great. She's controversial in the Mario fanbase just like how she's controversial in the Smash fanbase.
 

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I support the idea of a unique Mario-spin-off-themed character using moves influenced by Mario Kart/Golf/Tennis/3-on-3/Party/etc. And I feel Daisy is the perfect candidate, with Waluigi being a close second. It's extremely unlikely that she would be included, but that's what makes these forums fun.

I pick Daisy in all the spin-off sports titles because she's fun, spunky and I like her weight class. If she were in Smash, I'd definitely consider maining her.
 

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She has been getting popular with the Smash fan base lately and is the King K. Rool (highly requested by Americans) of the Mario fanbase.
Wait what? I don't mean to hate or anything, but how is it possible that Daisy is more requested than Jr.? Or am I just misreading this?
 
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Wait what? I don't mean to hate or anything, but how is it possible that Daisy is more requested than Jr.? Or am I just misreading this?
This was back when I used to frequent Gamefaqs and before Rosie got in. It's highly inaccurate now that things changed and people grew more accepting of Paper Mario pre-Wii U/3DS. I might edit that part out immediately now that this thread's been getting more attention.
 

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Hmmm, did I miss this, when was this said?
I'd like to know when it was said as well. To my knowledge, they've never said every character would have one. Rather, they said alternate costumes would be available.
 

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I've actually this one Game Maker project I perhaps have abandoned which had Daisy as a main character in a Parodius/Gradius-style SHMUP:

Yo-yoo! I had to yet do contribute something here and as of late I found just a thing.
I've been doing this little cute-em-up project called Comedius on Game Maker Studio.

It's takes heavy inspiration and mechanics from Parodius-series, one of my most favourite videogame series of all time.

In case you don't know what Parodius's about, it's a crazy cute-em up series from Konami, based on their trademark SHMUP series Gradius, while playing around with the company's cult status of being the "King of Shoot-Em-Ups" back in the 90's.

This includes borrowing weapon sets from Konami's (and usually other VG companies') numerous SHMUPS featured on arcades, MSX and other systems, take the stages and bosses from these games and give them a very hilarious new coat of paint, feature quest characters from other Konami-games, parody even them too in some occassions, etc. In anycase, it's completely crazy and will either make you weird out to no end or laugh at all the source material getting made fun of in some fashion. Just look up the boss rushes from games like Gokujyo Parodius or Jikkyo Oshaberi Parodius. You won't regret it.

Comedius aims to be this as well, going for a tongue-in-cheek take on the existing game series it features. However, around last year's autumn I didn't have an entirely good idea on what source material to take and poke fun at, leaving this project become bit of a sandbox.

After then came Rosalina's reveal, which made me think back on Daisy getting neglected big-time by Nintendo as a real character, than just a spin-off fodder everyone hates for either huge speed or loud voice. So yeah, this turned to become Daisy-fangame while at it.
Without further ado, here's the overview summary on most planned features in the game:

- What is “Comedius”? -
Comedius is a horizontal cute-em up and a fangame project based heavily on Konami's Parodius-series from the 90's, which again was a parody on their trademark SHMUP series Gradius. Much like the series it's based on, it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek take on the existing game series it features.
Playable Characters:
- Daisy is a playable character, flies on Sky Pop while utilizing Gradius 1-weapon set with a Mario-twist.

  • 3 More characters have been consideration, but I want to concentrate on developing the game to the end first. Ideas running rampant for the end duo (Rick The Hamster, Sigurd, Trainer Kris, etc)
  • - Schezo Wegey (Puyo Puyo/Madou Monogatari)
  • - Arche Klein (Tales of Phantasia)
  • - Bob(lun) (Bubble Bobble/Bust-a-Move)
- Mario's a base/prototype sprite due no custom sprites, which I'll request after making sure the game's to be finished and is enough interesting to the community I'll go ask them from.

Levels
    • 4 regular scrolling levels, each having a shorter secret level:
1 - Super Mario Land (Boss: Castle Core)

-> Secret Level: Bowser's Castle

2 - Casino Night Zone (Sonic 2)

-> Secret Level: Bridge Zone (Sonic The Hedgehog GG)

3 - Cave Of Origins (A pastiche of Stage 4 from Axelay, while having elements from Metroid.)

-> Secret Level: W.I.P

4 - Venus Lighthouse (Golden Sun)

-> Secret Level: Dhaos's Castle (Tales of Phantasia)


Features:


    • New mechanic included: a close-range attack that reflects certain projectiles and let's you interact with the stage.
    • -> Opens up for puzzle-oriented boss tactics and perhaps more tactical involvement with the enemies and the stages themselves.


    • Levels are standard Horizontal SHMUP-fare, but have interaction-based exploring aspect to them.
    • Interacting with the levels in a certain way helps to open up levels "inside" levels during regular play and is necessary to complete the game "truly". You can also earth secrets or important props to advance on the game's true challenge.


    • Levels also contain conventions of parody, injokes and other things to their respective series or SHMUPs in general, which play as the basis of mechanics of these levels.


    • Scoring System planned to be easy to access to, but asks for certain tactics in order to get out the best points out of the things you can shoot.
This was meant to be developed on E02, a powerful but somewhat obscure game engine, made by the same developer behind Sonic The Hedgehog-ports for IOS and Android (Stealth).

I decided to move back on Game Maker to try it again on this platform, but I'm still quite a beginner, even if I believe making game like this isn't super-hard.

I also keep my development plan here and update it out in here whenever hitting a new "checkpoint" in development:

# Development Plan #
1 - Level Scrolling (DONE)
2 - Level Boundaries (DONE)
3 - End Scrolling at certain part(s) of the stage (DONE)
4 - Program game over/lose life, continues? (test with self-destruct button) *IN PROGRESS*
5 -Program results screen -> program main menu

6 - Program player ships -> enable it to shoot

7 - Program shootable things and enemies -> enable them to shoot back
Now to the more important bit:
I decided to bring this to your awareness incase there might be folks that are either familiar with Game Maker before and could help me out with programming, preferably giving just advice because I've decided to program everything on my own. I'm also looking out for potential ideas and concepts on the stages, mechanics and the presentation to the game. Just keep them bit simple, if you can.

I'll also do my own overview posts based on my completed additions in the game.
If possible, I'll even leave playable builds for you to try these in action.

Screenshots:


 
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I've actually this one Game Maker project I perhaps have abandoned which had Daisy as a main character in a Parodius/Gradius-style SHMUP:
After reading this, I could tell that it would have been a very fun game since I love Gradius/Parodius. Mario has all sorts of wierd concepts and moments, so it could have worked out.

Now that I think of it, a major non spinoff Mario game involving Daisy (not Super Mario Land) would be very beneficial to make Daisy warranted a spot. It's just that Miyamoto doesn't know what to really do with her other than making her a spinoff filler like Waluigi. He's the one who also gave her that notoriously annoying personality ("Hi, I'm Daisy" aside) since Double Dash in the first place.
 

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After reading this, I could tell that it would have been a very fun game since I love Gradius/Parodius. Mario has all sorts of wierd concepts and moments, so it could have worked out.

Now that I think of it, a major non spinoff Mario game involving Daisy (not Super Mario Land) would be very beneficial to make Daisy warranted a spot. It's just that Miyamoto doesn't know what to really do with her other than making her a spinoff filler like Waluigi. He's the one who also gave her that notoriously annoying personality ("Hi, I'm Daisy" aside) since Double Dash in the first place.
IKR. Maybe I might try getting back to this but I think I need to start from the ground up from learning the actual Game Maker and also seeing how to lower the project's scope.

But that's sad, if so...
 

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I think tonight I'm going to be making a crazy in-depth moveset for a tomboy Daisy, just because I want to. Should that be put in here, or off in its own thread?
 

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I think tonight I'm going to be making a crazy in-depth moveset for a tomboy Daisy, just because I want to. Should that be put in here, or off in its own thread?
If you ask me, I really see Daisy as more of a speed-type character; I don't know, maybe almost like Fox fast, but definitely faster than Peach.
 

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I think tonight I'm going to be making a crazy in-depth moveset for a tomboy Daisy, just because I want to. Should that be put in here, or off in its own thread?
Feel free to post it here since I do want to see if your moveset would match mines in terms of matching her annoying peppy character.
 

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Feel free to post it here since I do want to see if your moveset would match mines in terms of matching her annoying peppy character.
Will do. Where is yours? Earlier in the thread? I'm on my phone and it's a pain to load pages.
 
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