The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy for SSB4 (A New Daisy for Smash Thread Opens See Pg. 197)

[FalKoopa]

Wow, what have you guys been up to?

Ah, Mariotehplumber. He was one fine piece of work for the time he was here. His mind is literally incomprehensible.

 

[ChikoLad]

Except that Baby Wario....isn't very unique.

Look at the face, instead of incorporating Wario's moustache, we have Baby Mario's eyes. Only the nose and eye liner is unique. It's not like Baby Daisy is a texture swap either. There are more differences between her and Baby Peach than the Baby Mario Bros. in terms of looks and personality.

They even have completely different animations.

The simple fact that she was created by Nintendo EAD Kyoto (NSMB games) to be more marketable shows that Daisy is here to stay.

Also, Miyamoto stated that there is no canon in Mario games.

He's unique enough in design to have to warrant modelling him from scratch.

And Baby Daisy having unique animations is no big deal when she can use the exact same rig as Baby Peach. She may have slightly different clothes and different textures but that's about it.

And when I say Baby Daisy is more marketable , I mean it's easier to attract people to a cute girl baby character than one of le gross fart man.

Also Miyamoto is quite incorrect in saying there is no Mario canon when almost the entire main series, and some spin-offs, are written in ways that places certain games before or after others (for example, Captain Toad takes place before Super Mario 3D World. And despite the fact the original Luigi's Mansion had multiple endings, the sequel made one of them the canon one). If I'm not mistaken, his quote was more along the lines of "I don't personally care to view the Mario series as having a canon". That doesn't necessarily mean there is no canon, especially when the games have clearly demonstrated there is one.

 

[Zeldaisy]

At least the Mario timeline isn't as complex as the Zelda one

 

[WeirdChillFever]

At least the Mario timeline isn't as complex as the Zelda one

But that's just a theory

A Game Theory

Thanks for watching

 

[Zeldaisy]

Well, here's an argument that I've had for a while.... I'll let it go now.


Oh wow. Looks like you guys hate Daisy, how cute, you don't like getting knee deep like you do with Space Peach, so let me get this shiz started.
*hair flip*

"She's already in the game, a Peach recolor."

Excuse me? We have Female Marth, Fire Marth, Unwashed Pit, Dr. Drugs, Falcondorf and... galactic bird. All these characters are fan favorites and such, but What's the difference? It's annoying to see people okay with having Doctor Mario in but saying no to Daisy? How funny. Daisy is a separate person from Peach. Second, Daisy is WAY more rowdy and strong than Peach and Rosalina. She's got a personality, she's loud and cheerful and fun, Rosalina is just so monotome and Peach talks like she is reading everything off a script. What's more, Daisy has seniority, and apart from having a completely different attitude than Peach, Daisy can hold her own in a fight.

"She has no potential for a moveset!"

You guys really crack me up! We have a famicon, duckhunt, Wii fit trainer, Villager and RosaLuma. All these characters had no actual potential to fight or a moveset in general. Don't tell me you saw Wii Fit or Vilager coming! They have nothing remotely related to smash or violence / fighting at all, and they where added. The team could start her moveset up from scratch and take advantage of her plant powers and stuff, her final smash could be her mega strike from Mario Strikers Charged, down B her crystal smash from the same game and her side B could be her throwing a dice from mario party or even her flower bed swing. There's a lot to work with since she is present in most spinoffs.

"She's too similar to Peach! "

Did you read anything I said above? And if the physical similarities are such a big deal, Daisy could be added in with her Mario Strikers Charged or sports outfit to distinguish from peach, it wouldn't very odd since Wario uses his wario ware outfit and his classic overalls as an alt, so there shouldn't be a problem here .

"Too Many Mario reps. "

Seriously? Mario Bros. Is Nintendo's #1 franchise, you can't be serious.
"Too many Princesses!"
Wha???? We have 3 (4 if you count Rosalina ) Princesses... and what.. 8? 9 swordsman???? You guys are funny.

"Rosalina has a backstory and she's appeared in cannon Mario games"

Backstory? Rosalina was made a character to be loved by the fans, and That's not a BAD thing, but using that as an argument...? Not even MARIO , the world famous plumber and Nintendo's #1 mascot has a Backstory either, Rosalina was just kinda made like that. And BECAUSE she was made like that, she was liked by the fanbase, therefore the result in her appearance in cannon Mario games , easy math.


If it helps you clear your vision, Daisy would be to Peach what Sheik is to Zelda.

 

[FalKoopa]

He's unique enough in design to have to warrant modelling him from scratch.

And Baby Daisy having unique animations is no big deal when she can use the exact same rig as Baby Peach. She may have slightly different clothes and different textures but that's about it.

And when I say Baby Daisy is more marketable , I mean it's easier to attract people to a cute girl baby character than one of le gross fart man.

Also Miyamoto is quite incorrect in saying there is no Mario canon when almost the entire main series, and some spin-offs, are written in ways that places certain games before or after others (for example, Captain Toad takes place before Super Mario 3D World. And despite the fact the original Luigi's Mansion had multiple endings, the sequel made one of them the canon one). If I'm not mistaken, his quote was more along the lines of "I don't personally care to view the Mario series as having a canon". That doesn't necessarily mean there is no canon, especially when the games have clearly demonstrated there is one.

Didn't he say that the Mario characters are a troupe of actors who can be made to fit any story or scenario?

And I disagree on Wario, the le gross fa(r)t man is one of the most beloved Mario characters and was a hit right from the start. (I'm being serious though.)

 

[ChikoLad]

Didn't he say that the Mario characters are a troupe of actors who can be made to fit any story or scenario?

And I disagree on Wario, the le gross fa(r)t man is one of the most beloved Mario characters and was a hit right from the start. (I'm being serious though.)

He said it in a way that implies that's how he views the characters, not to imply that's the end all-be all that we should all accept. The exact quote:

"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."

And yes, Wario is popular among Nintendo fans, but Mario Kart is not aimed specifically at Nintendo fans. It's aimed at a general casual audience. And cute baby girls as opposed to le gross fart baby is more appealing to that audience. Only Wario fans would appreciate Baby Wario.

 

[FalKoopa]

And yes, Wario is popular among Nintendo fans, but Mario Kart is not aimed specifically at Nintendo fans. It's aimed at a general casual audience. And cute baby girls as opposed to le gross fart baby is more appealing to that audience. Only Wario fans would appreciate Baby Wario.

I wonder how many non-Nintendo fans are going to buy Mario Kart - it's only on Nintendo consoles, and if you have a Nintendo console, you are a Nintendo fan. But I digress.

And I see. Well, I'm inclined to view his view as having more weight than a fan theory though. To each his own, I guess.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Well, here's an argument that I've had for a while.... I'll let it go now.


Oh wow. Looks like you guys hate Daisy, how cute, you don't like getting knee deep like you do with Space Peach, so let me get this shiz started.
*hair flip*

"She's already in the game, a Peach recolor."

Excuse me? We have Female Marth, Fire Marth, Unwashed Pit, Dr. Drugs, Falcondorf and... galactic bird. All these characters are fan favorites and such, but What's the difference? It's annoying to see people okay with having Doctor Mario in but saying no to Daisy? How funny. Daisy is a separate person from Peach. Second, Daisy is WAY more rowdy and strong than Peach and Rosalina. She's got a personality, she's loud and cheerful and fun, Rosalina is just so monotome and Peach talks like she is reading everything off a script. What's more, Daisy has seniority, and apart from having a completely different attitude than Peach, Daisy can hold her own in a fight.

"She has no potential for a moveset!"

You guys really crack me up! We have a famicon, duckhunt, Wii fit trainer, Villager and RosaLuma. All these characters had no actual potential to fight or a moveset in general. Don't tell me you saw Wii Fit or Vilager coming! They have nothing remotely related to smash or violence / fighting at all, and they where added. The team could start her moveset up from scratch and take advantage of her plant powers and stuff, her final smash could be her mega strike from Mario Strikers Charged, down B her crystal smash from the same game and her side B could be her throwing a dice from mario party or even her flower bed swing. There's a lot to work with since she is present in most spinoffs.

"She's too similar to Peach! "

Did you read anything I said above? And if the physical similarities are such a big deal, Daisy could be added in with her Mario Strikers Charged or sports outfit to distinguish from peach, it wouldn't very odd since Wario uses his wario ware outfit and his classic overalls as an alt, so there shouldn't be a problem here .

"Too Many Mario reps. "

Seriously? Mario Bros. Is Nintendo's #1 franchise, you can't be serious.
"Too many Princesses!"
Wha???? We have 3 (4 if you count Rosalina ) Princesses... and what.. 8? 9 swordsman???? You guys are funny.

"Rosalina has a backstory and she's appeared in cannon Mario games"

Backstory? Rosalina was made a character to be loved by the fans, and That's not a BAD thing, but using that as an argument...? Not even MARIO , the world famous plumber and Nintendo's #1 mascot has a Backstory either, Rosalina was just kinda made like that. And BECAUSE she was made like that, she was liked by the fanbase, therefore the result in her appearance in cannon Mario games , easy math.


If it helps you clear your vision, Daisy would be to Peach what Sheik is to Zelda.

How right you are there. Too bad the FANBOYS have their ears and senses too pluged up to actually reason and understand logic. Again caps on 'fanboys' because I don't want anyone think I am referring to a whole fan base overall.

 

[ChikoLad]

I wonder how many non-Nintendo fans are going to buy Mario Kart - it's only on Nintendo consoles, and if you have a Nintendo console, you are a Nintendo fan. But I digress.

And I see. Well, I'm inclined to view his view as having more weight than a fan theory though. To each his own, I guess.

"A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person who is enthusiastically devoted to something or somebody, such as a band, a sports team, a book or entertainer."

Simply owning a Nintendo console or playing the odd Nintendo game =/= a person who is a Nintendo fan.

I own an Xbox One but I do not consider myself an Xbox fan.

And the reason why Miyamoto didn't phrase his view of the Mario franchise as the absolute is because Miyamoto doesn't even make every Mario game or every Mario character. He hasn't got the creative authority to give an all-encompassing theory on how we should view every character and element of the series, because he didn't create all of it. For example, Rosalina wasn't created by Miyamoto, and his theory would contradict what Yoshiaki Koizumi tried to do with that specific character, so it can't be applied to her. It also can't be applied to various other characters like the original cast of Super Paper Mario.

He only ever said this because the interviewer asked about "HOW CAN MARIO AND BOWSER PLAY SPORTS TOGETHER THAT'S SO STRANGE!!!????". The simple answer to that is that they are non-canon spin-offs. Most Mario spin-offs don't even feature any direct, specific interactions between characters anyway, so an explanation isn't needed for why they are competing with each other.

And SEGA gave a better answer to the question anyway:

They compete with each other, but do so begrudgingly.

 

[FalKoopa]

...

I admit defeat.

 

[memoryman3]

All this talk about canon in Mario games is making me tired. This reminds me, I haven't thought up a potential moveset yet.

Either in the dress, sports outfit or striker persona. If there were transformations, it would be easy.

 

[Laniv]

All this talk about canon in Mario games is making me tired. This reminds me, I haven't thought up a potential moveset yet.

Either in the dress, sports outfit or striker persona. If there were transformations, it would be easy.

Just goes to show how much potential she has.

 

[memoryman3]

Just goes to show how much potential she has.

Cue the Mario fans saying she's unimportant.

 

[ChikoLad]

Cue the Mario fans saying she's unimportant.

Not to say anything about whether or not she should be in Smash, but objectively she isn't an important character to the Mario franchise as a whole. That should be blatantly obvious even to the most ardent Daisy fans. She hasn't added anything special or unique to it yet, nor does she really show up in the most important Mario games, let alone have an important role in these games.

 

[Zeldaisy]

Not to say anything about whether or not she should be in Smash, but objectively she isn't an important character to the Mario franchise as a whole. That should be blatantly obvious even to the most ardent Daisy fans. She hasn't added anything special or unique to it yet, nor does she really show up in the most important Mario games, let alone have an important role in these games.

Special or unique...hm...

I mean she WAS the only female besides Peach for a while, and she kinda slapped the tastes out of Bowser's mouth in Mario Party 3, showing how she's not similar to Peach but physically.

To be honest she hasn't "Introduced" anything unique to cannon Mario games, but that's BECAUSE she hasn't been given the chance to, this is WHY we're here.. I do see what you mean, but I just feel like you need to give her a little more credit as a character.

 

[memoryman3]

Special or unique...hm...

I mean she WAS the only female besides Peach for a while, and she kinda slapped the tastes out of Bowser's mouth in Mario Party 3, showing how she's not similar to Peach but physically.

To be honest she hasn't "Introduced" anything unique to cannon Mario games, but that's BECAUSE she hasn't been given the chance to, this is WHY we're here.. I do see what you mean, but I just feel like you need to give her a little more credit as a character.

Like Luigi, she has untapped potential. If Nintendo realises this, she could go from the underdog from the Mario franchise to a fan-favourite.

 

[ChikoLad]

Special or unique...hm...

I mean she WAS the only female besides Peach for a while, and she kinda slapped the tastes out of Bowser's mouth in Mario Party 3, showing how she's not similar to Peach but physically.

To be honest she hasn't "Introduced" anything unique to cannon Mario games, but that's BECAUSE she hasn't been given the chance to, this is WHY we're here.. I do see what you mean, but I just feel like you need to give her a little more credit as a character.

-Pauline and Wendy say hi.

-Peach whacks Bowser right out of his castle using an UMBRELLA in Super Princess Peach.

 

[memoryman3]

-Pauline and Wendy say hi.

-Peach whacks Bowser right out of his castle using an UMBRELLA in Super Princess Peach.

It's obvious that Pauline has been phased out, she hasn't had a playable role once.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

-Pauline and Wendy say hi.

-Peach whacks Bowser right out of his castle using an UMBRELLA in Super Princess Peach.

Daisy at least does it first, when 99.9% of the time Peach doesn't do **** to defend herself, of course the only time she does so is in a spinoff game, where she's the main character.

Also, as of Pauline was basically scrapped until she was brought back just for the Mario vs Donkey Kong games, just so they can bring back the Mario vs DK rivalry from which wasn't apparent anymore since the original Donkey Kong game.

As for Wendy O Koopa, I don't think she was really ever seen as a "competent" character since SMW, as all the Koopalings seem to have vanished from the mainline Mario games until like the NSMB series, I believe. But still, I would have to give you some credit with that one, although it was most likely talking about "human females".

 

[ChikoLad]

Daisy at least does it first, when 99.9% of the time Peach doesn't do **** to defend herself, of course the only time she does so is in a spinoff game, where she's the main character.

Also, as of Pauline was basically scrapped until she was brought back just for the Mario vs Donkey Kong games, just so they can bring back the Mario vs DK rivalry from which wasn't apparent anymore since the original Donkey Kong game.

As for Wendy O Koopa, I don't think she was really ever seen as a "competent" character since SMW, as all the Koopalings seem to have vanished from the mainline Mario games until like the NSMB series, I believe. But still, I would have to give you some credit with that one, although it was most likely talking about "human females".

Peach has defended herself on plenty of occasions, mainly the RPG games. Plus sue has been playable in the main series.

Pauline was never scrapped, she doesn't appear in the mainline games because she isn't from the Mushroom Kingdom.

And Nintendo evidently have not forgotten her:

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Peach has defended herself on plenty of occasions, mainly the RPG games. Plus sue has been playable in the main series.

Pauline was never scrapped, she doesn't appear in the mainline games because she isn't from the Mushroom Kingdom.

And Nintendo evidently have not forgotten her:

Occasions. Key word.

Also, mainline. Mario mainline. Like, Super Mario Bros series, New Super Mario Bros series, 3D Super Mario. Doesn't really do much but just get captured (after said events whether canonically before or afterwards, shows games prior to that were she actually does "something", only not to in adventures where Mario as the star in the "Mainline" Mario games.)

My point, she doesn't do that often enough to make her attempts at doing "something" that isn't "damsel in distress" worth any merit, imo.

And as for Pauline, I meant that she a essentially scraped before they brought her back with the Mario vs Donkey games, they did keep her around (doing not much else mind you) ever since because "she "was" Mario's girlfriend at the time)

 

[Elin]

I came here because it promised mariotehplumber hate.

 

[Deleted member]

Special or unique...hm...

I mean she WAS the only female besides Peach for a while, and she kinda slapped the tastes out of Bowser's mouth in Mario Party 3, showing how she's not similar to Peach but physically.

To be honest she hasn't "Introduced" anything unique to cannon Mario games, but that's BECAUSE she hasn't been given the chance to, this is WHY we're here.. I do see what you mean, but I just feel like you need to give her a little more credit as a character.

Like Luigi, she has untapped potential. If Nintendo realises this, she could go from the underdog from the Mario franchise to a fan-favourite.

Yes, this. Er, these. Luigi was pretty unremarkable except for his taller jumps until he finally starred in his own game, which has significantly enhanced his personality since. And look how many fans he has. Heck, he probably already had tons of fans just for being not Mario.
Anyway, pretty soon after Daisy started appearing in spin-offs, her personality was shown to be very different from Peach, or anyone. She's loud, competitive, loves flowers, won't take crap from anyone and does so while being cute too. And this all came from not even starring in her own game. She really has so much potential to shine more, if Nintendo will give her her big break by either becoming playable in Smash or getting her own game, preferably both.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I came here because it promised mariotehplumber hate.

Did you look at the links I shared last night? Those are some good examples of Mariotehplumber hate.

 

[Elin]

Did you look at the links I shared last night? Those are some good examples of Mariotehplumber hate.

I did click one. All I know about him is that he hates poor Rosalina so much he'll buy hundreds of Amiibos of her so no one can have them.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I did click one. All I know about him is that he hates poor Rosalina so much he'll buy hundreds of Amiibos of her so no one can have them.

Not only that, but he prefers an HD Super Mario remake over hentai loli squids (Splatoon) and hentai swordsman for ***s (Fire Emblem Fates). And the dude is pathetic enough to believe that a Golden Mario Amiibo would be made of real gold. He gives both Sonic and Mario fans a bad name with his erratic behavior.

 

[Burruni]

Not only that, but he prefers an HD Super Mario remake over hentai loli squids (Splatoon) and hentai swordsman for ***s (Fire Emblem Fates). And the dude is pathetic enough to believe that a Golden Mario Amiibo would be made of real gold. He gives both Sonic and Mario fans a bad name with his erratic behavior.

What's his opinion on Rouge?
I need to hear it.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

What's his opinion on Rouge?
I need to hear it.

He seriously hates any Modern Sonic game that isn't Generations, so I assume he feel the same way about Rouge. But hey, she was created to be a femme fatale jewel thief to begin with.

 

[Elin]

Not only that, but he prefers an HD Super Mario remake over hentai loli squids (Splatoon) and hentai swordsman for ***s (Fire Emblem Fates). And the dude is pathetic enough to believe that a Golden Mario Amiibo would be made of real gold. He gives both Sonic and Mario fans a bad name with his erratic behavior.

It's bad enough Sonic fans have Christian Weston Chandler to deal with....

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

It's bad enough Sonic fans have Christian Weston Chandler to deal with....

You mean SammyClassicSonicFan? I heard that he made a video to defend Mariotehplumber at one point. I wouldn't be surprised if that's his partner in crime.

 

[ChikoLad]

Occasions. Key word.

Also, mainline. Mario mainline. Like, Super Mario Bros series, New Super Mario Bros series, 3D Super Mario. Doesn't really do much but just get captured (after said events whether canonically before or afterwards, shows games prior to that were she actually does "something", only not to in adventures where Mario as the star in the "Mainline" Mario games.)

My point, she doesn't do that often enough to make her attempts at doing "something" that isn't "damsel in distress" worth any merit, imo.

And as for Pauline, I meant that she a essentially scraped before they brought her back with the Mario vs Donkey games, they did keep her around (doing not much else mind you) ever since because "she "was" Mario's girlfriend at the time)

Peach is noteable for being the main female lead of the Super Mario series. Even if you don't really like her, that puts her far and above Daisy in importance immediately, especially since she's the long term love interest of the main protagonist. Peach has also been in more games then any other female character in the history of video games.

And no, Pauline was never scrapped. Nintendo never officially discontinued her. They just didn't use her for a while. Just like they didn't use Rosalina for a little while. Just because a character isn't being used for a little while, doesn't mean they are scrapped or discontinued. It just means they are still figuring out what to do with her.

Yes, this. Er, these. Luigi was pretty unremarkable except for his taller jumps until he finally starred in his own game, which has significantly enhanced his personality since. And look how many fans he has. Heck, he probably already had tons of fans just for being not Mario.
Anyway, pretty soon after Daisy started appearing in spin-offs, her personality was shown to be very different from Peach, or anyone. She's loud, competitive, loves flowers, won't take crap from anyone and does so while being cute too. And this all came from not even starring in her own game. She really has so much potential to shine more, if Nintendo will give her her big break by either becoming playable in Smash or getting her own game, preferably both.

Literally all of those personality traits are shared with Peach (yes even the flowers bit), and some of them with other characters, including Rosalina (she likes flowers enough to have them on the Comet Observatory, and seems to have taken good care of the flower beds on the Gateway Planet).

 

[Elin]

You mean SammyClassicSonicFan? I heard that he made a video to defend Mariotehplumber at one point. I wouldn't be surprised if that's his partner in crime.

LIKESONICLIKESONICLIKESONICLIKESONIC.

Seriously, I can't believe he was my age the time that video was created.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Peach is noteable for being the main female lead of the Super Mario series. Even if you don't really like her, that puts her far and above Daisy in importance immediately, especially since she's the long term love interest of the main protagonist. Peach has also been in more games then any other female character in the history of video games.

And no, Pauline was never scrapped. Nintendo never officially discontinued her. They just didn't use her for a while. Just like they didn't use Rosalina for a little while. Just because a character isn't being used for a little while, doesn't mean they are scrapped or discontinued. It just means they are still figuring out what to do with her.



Literally all of those personality traits are shared with Peach (yes even the flowers bit), and some of them with other characters, including Rosalina (she likes flowers enough to have them on the Comet Observatory, and seems to have taken good care of the flower beds on the Gateway Planet).

I hope that mentality can go towards Daisy at some point, whether or not of her "original existence" and "long term respect" keeping her from at least getting her own spin off series.

And well, just to point it out, I don't hate Peach, I just lost interest with her since she's been essentially the same character for the past 30 years. Whether or not Daisy and Rosie hasn't done too much themselves from their original beginnings, (arguably Rosie has it worst atm in a way), for someone that's been around that longest, I'd wish Peach be a little bit more. That's one reason I like Super Mario 3D World for that reason.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

LIKESONICLIKESONICLIKESONICLIKESONIC.

Seriously, I can't believe he was my age the time that video was created.

Indeed, so many brain cells were lost after watching that video. I even wondered if this kid was seriously real when ranting in these videos. At least Shokio or UltraNintendo makes sense in comparison to him.

Reminds me of a certain Gamefaqs user that won't shut up about Daisy with his fanboyism and considering other likely choices (Inking, K. Rool, ect) as irrelevant. There's a reason why anyone would get shunned if they even bring up her name or get called a Micheallol alt there.

 

[ChikoLad]

I hope that mentality can go towards Daisy at some point, whether or not of her "original existence" and "long term respect" keeping her from at least getting her own spin off series.

And well, just to point it out, I don't hate Peach, I just lost interest with her since she's been essentially the same character for the past 30 years. Whether or not Daisy and Rosie hasn't done too much themselves from their original beginnings, (arguably Rosie has it worst atm in a way), for someone that's been around that longest, I'd wish Peach be a little bit more. That's one reason I like Super Mario 3D World for that reason.

If you want good characterisation for Peach, you go to the RPG games, or Super Mario Adventures.

Personally I don't think simply being around for a while means a whole lot, but Peach is an exception because of the whole "in more games than any other female character ever" thing. She's the most recognisable female video game character. It doesn't mean anything for her as a character, but it is a unique award only she has, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Also how does Rosalina have it worse? She's one of the best treated characters right now, they've been adding little bits of flavour to her character in every game she appears in.

 

[Elin]

Indeed, so many brain cells were lost after watching that video. I even wondered if this kid was seriously real when ranting in these videos. At least Shokio or UltraNintendo makes sense in comparison to him.

Reminds me of a certain Gamefaqs user that won't shut up about Daisy with his fanboyism and considering other likely choices (Inking, K. Rool, ect) as irrelevant. There's a reason why anyone would get shunned if they even bring up her name or get called a Micheallol alt there.

Shokio is a douche, but he's right most of the time. I never watched UltraNintendo, so I got nothing.

Who's Micheallol? A GameFAQs user?

 

[ChikoLad]

What's wrong with Shokio? He seems pretty down to Earth to me.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

If you want good characterisation for Peach, you go to the RPG games, or Super Mario Adventures.

Personally I don't think simply being around for a while means a whole lot, but Peach is an exception because of the whole "in more games than any other female character ever" thing. She's the most recognisable female video game character. It doesn't mean anything for her as a character, but it is a unique award only she has, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Also how does Rosalina have it worse? She's one of the best treated characters right now, they've been adding little bits of flavour to her character in every game she appears in.

Well, what I meant with that was, ever since Super Mario Galaxy, she hasn't been really apart of the main plot (at least as much she had in Galaxy imo, including her little background story placement, even though I can understand that being a one and done kind of thing, but still, I liked that about Galaxy 1)

But ever since that game, she's had less of an impact in the games she's been in, either because it's a spinoff game, or for 3D World's case, just an unlockable character at the end of the game.

But thanks for the tidbit with the RPG games, I was kinda interested in it seeing the first one from a LP on Brainscatch before.

 

[Elin]

What's wrong with Shokio? He seems pretty down to Earth to me.

He's down to earth, but he isn't all that nice towards the Ridley fans, even though I agree Ridley is never gonna happen in Smash.