The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy Discussion

[Ark of Silence101]

Yeah let's drop this topic and go back to talking about something that actually matters.

Dress Daisy or Sports outfit Daisy?

Dress, definitely.

 

[StarCrystal20]

What do you guys think of Toad/Captain Toad being the next Mario newcomer?

I feel like he would've been part of the roster by now if they were even planning to add him. He's appeared in almost every main game and had quite a bunch of playable important roles (not all the same Toad, I know) but is still only relegated to Peach's B move.

This makes me hopeful for Daisy and Waluigi, but it's all just speculation.

I can imagine him as a mischievous and clever character to fight against like Villager.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Toad is one of those characters who's hard to discuss as far as Smash.

While he is iconic, he's also a character that's been shown to be deemed "generic", probably by both fans and Sakurai like. Sure there's the Toad special Peach has, but Toads are a big species and there is clearly more than one Toad.

And since games like Captain Toad and Super Mario 3D Wold came late after Smash was in development, I doubt they would have had the time to even make Captain Toad a fighter. But at least he has the edge over Waluigi and Daisy in one thing, he's at least in a Mario 3D platformer or at least been reoccurring in all of them since Galaxy with his roles getting bigger. I see him as the Bandanna Dee of Mario, literally and figuratively.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Toad is one of those characters who's hard to discuss as far as Smash.

While he is iconic, he's also a character that's been shown to be deemed "generic", probably by both fans and Sakurai like. Sure there's the Toad special Peach has, but Toads are a big species and there is clearly more than one Toad.

And since games like Captain Toad and Super Mario 3D Wold came late after Smash was in development, I doubt they would have had the time to even make Captain Toad a fighter. But at least he has the edge over Waluigi and Daisy in one thing, he's at least in a Mario 3D platformer or at least been reoccurring in all of them since Galaxy with his roles getting bigger. I see him as the Bandanna Dee of Mario, literally and figuratively.

I personally also see it as whether Sakurai stays as director or someone else takes the reigns.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I personally also see it as whether Sakurai stays as director or someone else takes the reigns.

Pretty much.

A new director at least would be more positive on Toad as a character.

Or any Mario character for that matter.

 

[StarCrystal20]

Not sure if you guys heard about the recent "leaks" from gaming insider Emily Rogers.
I actually never heard of her before. Apparently she's been right a lot but also wrong a lot.

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/02/...nced-and-released-for-switch-later-this-year/

It makes me a little bummed because it means we won't be getting an entirely new Smash (and theoretically, not as many newcomers), but then again, it's to be taken with a grain of paprika. It's all vague and obviously inevitable info ("new content" but no specification, etc).

Even if it's real, hopefully I end up enjoying it lol

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Being a Realist, I don't think Daisy will be in an enhanced port kind of game. Such a thing would have limited new characters, and we've already got Wolf and Ice Climbers in the wings. Not to mention Inkling would be first in line.

I could be wrong.

 

[StarCrystal20]

Being a Realist, I don't think Daisy will be in an enhanced port kind of game. Such a thing would have limited new characters, and we've already got Wolf and Ice Climbers in the wings. Not to mention Inkling would be first in line.

I could be wrong.

I honestly agree that Daisy will most likely not be in.

But fittingly, I guess I'm not too into Smash that much these days since I've been playing For Glory A LOT and I think i may just be getting over the game.. lol

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Not sure if you guys heard about the recent "leaks" from gaming insider Emily Rogers.
I actually never heard of her before. Apparently she's been right a lot but also wrong a lot.

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/02/...nced-and-released-for-switch-later-this-year/

It makes me a little bummed because it means we won't be getting an entirely new Smash (and theoretically, not as many newcomers), but then again, it's to be taken with a grain of paprika. It's all vague and obviously inevitable info ("new content" but no specification, etc).

Even if it's real, hopefully I end up enjoying it lol

I would strongly suggest that everybody just watches this video...

... And then pays the rumourmongers no mind.

 

[Thatkidwiththeafro]

Not gonna listen to the rumors. Just gonna sit here and wait for the ACTUAL news. Back to story writing for Afro.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I agree with Guybrush, Daisy would be seriously unlikely in something like a port.

Not gonna listen to the rumors. Just gonna sit here and wait for the ACTUAL news. Back to story writing for Afro.

Agreed, Emily had been wrong time and time again.

Best not to believe anything from her.

 

[StarCrystal20]

While Daisy being a Peach alt would literally define her as a clone and be a bit disappointing, I wouldn't be opposed to it, either.

Especially with possibly higher priority picks like the Inklings or Ice Climbers.

Perhaps we may get more alt costumes in the new game. Daisy, Dry Bowser, and some for Olimar (Louie, Charlie, Brittany), etc.

Daisy with flower effects and a yellow ribbon up Smash are totally possible. Bayonetta's Witch with no Memories costumes have red particles instead of blue, plus her Jeanne costume features the Wicked Weaves attacks colored white instead of black.

Even Peach's Final Smash could feature cute yellow Daisy art on the sides and just have oranges instead of peaches. Perhaps it could even get a new little Super Mario Land tune when activated but I doubt they'd go that far. haha

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Perhaps we may get more alt costumes in the new game. Daisy, Dry Bowser, and some for Olimar (Louie, Charlie, Brittany), etc.

I hope not. It's not fair for a character to have to live in the shadow of another one, instead of being treated as a character in their own right. (Obviously, Dry Bowser would be an exception, here, since it's just Bowser in another form, but it applies to the rest.)

That goes double when we consider the influence that Smash seems to have on how people view things - that could potentially be damaging for characters so afflicted, because it would lead to people thinking that they're less important somehow.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I would strongly suggest that everybody just watches this video...

... And then pays the rumourmongers no mind.

I pretty much agree with this, when I hear of rumors, I don't get my hopes up until official news on the matter show up.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

I pretty much agree with this, when I hear of rumors, I don't get my hopes up until official news on the matter show up.

Exactly, and one must apply logic.

Consider this article from a day or two ago: Nintendo has gone on-record to state that Super Mario Odyssey was created from the ground-up for the Switch, from day one.

Now consider this: We know that Super Mario Odyssey went into development at the same time as "Smash 6" - April of 2014.

Super Mario Odyssey and "Smash 6" are development-time twins.

The notion that Nintendo went all-out to build Super Mario Odyssey with the Switch in mind, but simultaneously decided to take an uncaring, lazy, slapdash approach to Smash Switch is simply not logical.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I have a suspicion (haven't got much to back it up but hear me out) that the Switch may get two Smash games, one still in production and another one based off WiiU.

The other alternative being Smash Switch is very far on in production, and they're trying to keep the hype train a bit lower this time by waiting until it's mostly done to show.

 

[One winged Devil]

So does anyone here have a Daisy Mii fighter? Just asking of course.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So does anyone here have a Daisy Mii fighter? Just asking of course.

I made one a long time ago on my 3DS copy.

She was a Brawler in a jumpsuit to emulate her Strikers appearance.

 

[FunAtParties]

Is all that Smash 6 stuff actually confirmed, or is it all just rumors? It's been too long, I need a new Smash.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

I have a suspicion (haven't got much to back it up but hear me out) that the Switch may get two Smash games, one still in production and another one based off WiiU.

The other alternative being Smash Switch is very far on in production, and they're trying to keep the hype train a bit lower this time by waiting until it's mostly done to show.

The "Smash 6" job-listing dates back to April of 2014. That's almost four years ago - longer than any other Smash game's development-time, to date. Why would they split their resources so as to make two games, and then consequently split their userbase in ways that are inconvenient for both users and the business? For example, they will almost certainly want to offer DLC, and why would anyone try to sell DLC for two games simultaneously, by wasting time and resources on a port of a game that's almost half-a-decade old? It doesn't make sense no matter how you slice it.

Don't forget that Nintendo's policy these days is different to before - they now determine when to reveal things on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, they'll give an early teaser just to make sure that the information is out there, and in some cases, as stated here, they prefer to wait until it's possible to show a game in action before they announce it.

The most likely scenario, to my mind, is only that the engine will be re-used - it's the most efficient way of bringing such a huge roster over, and we can even see a hint of it in Smash 3DS/Wii U, because they use an engine that was designed to scale across wildly differing architectures (the 3DS' ARM, and the Wii U's PowerPC), whether on battery-power or plugged into the mains electricity-supply - something that the Switch needs to do on one machine, rather than across two.

Moreover, the Nintendo Switch Online service launches in September. It's going to need a flagship game in order to convince people to start subscribing - after all, simply saying "You have to start paying for stuff that's been playable online on the Switch free-of-charge for 18 months, now." isn't going to enthuse anyone, not even people who are on-board with the paid online-service. Something like Animal Crossing is too relaxed and doesn't have online as a focus, and something out of left-field won't have a built-in audience, so something more traditional like Smash just makes sense. And if that's the game that they've chosen, then they won't want to muddle their message by having two releases.

Occam's Razor, and all that.

Is all that Smash 6 stuff actually confirmed, or is it all just rumors? It's been too long, I need a new Smash.

The article already contains the information that you're looking for. To quote the relevant part of it;

Something to note: While the original recruitment page has apparently been deleted from e-career FA, it doesn’t appear to be fake. Tatsuya Matsumura, a consultant who uploaded the ad, seems to still have all of his other recruitment ads live on the website, which includes career opportunities for other companies such as Square Enix, Capcom, Tecmo Koei, and various mobile developers.


Upon further research, Matsumura appears to have been in the business of a career consultant to connect developers and software companies with programmers and engineers since 2011. He currently specializes in getting people in touch with gaming and software developers, and has successfully helped the recruitment of over 2,000 people thus far.

Note, also, that the job-listing was posted before it was confirmed that Smash 3DS is officially considered to be the fourth installment (i.e., "Smash 4") and Smash Wii U is considered to be the fifth ("Smash 5"), which, for anyone who was keeping an eye on it for all this time, explained why the job-listing used the name "Smash 6".

What we have is this: Safe-bet claims, designed to look plausible because they're not unlikely, coming from the same associated group of rumourmongers who've previously given us such gems as the following;

• Ballot-winner Shovel Knight
• Multiple Ballot runner-ups also being released with Shovel Knight
• Splatoon The Enhanced Port Definitely Not A Sequel for Switch launch
• Second Switch SKU with more on-board storage, with the above as a pack-in game
• Switch only available in grey at launch, and white later
• Zelda delayed, 3D Mario is the big Switch launch-day game
• Switch's first year to be "port-heavy"
• Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has new cups
• GameCube Virtual Console releases (Super Smash Bros. Melee, Luigi's Mansion, and Super Mario Sunshine) at Switch launch
• No-frills port of Smash Wii U within the Switch's first six months

With the current claims about Smash Switch contradicting previous claims made by the same group of people, and I believe also made by the same specific person.

Versus a job-listing posted by a legitimate consultant known to have handled such listings for numerous developers, that was posted almost four years ago, at the same time that Super Mario Odyssey is known to have begun development, and that Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle is claimed to have commenced development, and a year earlier than Splatoon 2's development started, as Splatoon 2 was built from the ground up in just two years.

I'll leave it to you to apply critical thinking and draw your own conclusions.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ironic that fake leakers went from outlandish claims "50 characters in Brawl" to really, really softballing it. "Villager and Mega Man are the biggest ones."

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Ironic that fake leakers went from outlandish claims "50 characters in Brawl" to really, really softballing it. "Villager and Mega Man are the biggest ones."

Like the Gematsu Leak of the past?

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Like the Gematsu Leak of the past?

The video that I linked to before said this, but I do find it funny how folks discredit the "Gematsu Leak", which was an actual leak that got most details correct, but go out of their way to believe in the common rumourmongers whose names are often plastered all over the place, but who've made lots of dubious claims.

 

[FunAtParties]

I'll leave it to you to apply critical thinking and draw your own conclusions.

Geez do I have to do everything around here?

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Geez do I have to do everything around here?

Hah!

Well, people not doing so is what leads to rumours and misinformation taking hold, so, yes.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Like the Gematsu Leak of the past?

I'm still of the mind that Gematsu was genuine but incomplete and outdated. It was only dismissed when a direct contradiction appeared: &(sorry Chrom). There was too much right for it to be nothing but guesses.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

I'm still of the mind that Gematsu was genuine but incomplete and outdated. It was only dismissed when a direct contradiction appeared: &(sorry Chrom). There was too much right for it to be nothing but guesses.

I'm of the same view, and that's what makes it all the weirder that folks are so willing to believe baseless rumours, to my mind. You see people railing against the Gematsu leak often, but you always see people stumbling over themselves to believe the next claims of the "celebrity" rumourmongers who are given so much press.

Am I the only one who finds that so weird?

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Exactly, and one must apply logic.

Consider this article from a day or two ago: Nintendo has gone on-record to state that Super Mario Odyssey was created from the ground-up for the Switch, from day one.

Now consider this: We know that Super Mario Odyssey went into development at the same time as "Smash 6" - April of 2014.

Super Mario Odyssey and "Smash 6" are development-time twins.

The notion that Nintendo went all-out to build Super Mario Odyssey with the Switch in mind, but simultaneously decided to take an uncaring, lazy, slapdash approach to Smash Switch is simply not logical.

It isn't, but as long as the quality is assured, I am ok with waiting.

Like the Gematsu Leak of the past?

I think using that 'leak' further proves that we shouldn't jump to conclusions until solid evidence is shown.

 

[FunAtParties]

So I don't get it, are we still acting like the Gematsu leak wasn't legit again? I'm rusty on this, but if I recall correctly it got most of the details right, and things that it got wrong like Chrom were actually planned at one point. If y'all know anything about sources of leakers, they tend to be programmers and stuff that don't stick around for the entirety of development so they're bound to be missing stuff if the leak is early in the game's development, which it was.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

So I don't get it, are we still acting like the Gematsu leak wasn't legit again? I'm rusty on this, but if I recall correctly it got most of the details right, and things that it got wrong like Chrom were actually planned at one point. If y'all know anything about sources of leakers, they tend to be programmers and stuff that don't stick around for the entirety of development so they're bound to be missing stuff if the leak is early in the game's development, which it was.

I'm pretty sure the consensus here is that the Gematsu leak was legitimate - and it's a rare case of an actual leak, as opposed to rumours and fan-fiction.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So I don't get it, are we still acting like the Gematsu leak wasn't legit again? I'm rusty on this, but if I recall correctly it got most of the details right, and things that it got wrong like Chrom were actually planned at one point. If y'all know anything about sources of leakers, they tend to be programmers and stuff that don't stick around for the entirety of development so they're bound to be missing stuff if the leak is early in the game's development, which it was.

I think people treat it as a total fake, because of the perceived betrayal.

You follow it, think it;s gonna be the total truth, but then, it all falls apart.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

I think people treat it as a total fake, because of the perceived betrayal.

And yet they never do that with the "celebrity" rumourmongers, with all that they've gotten wrong.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I think people treat it as a total fake, because of the perceived betrayal.

You follow it, think it;s gonna be the total truth, but then, it all falls apart.

Which lead me to my original point. Anyway, is MP Best 100 a decent game?

 

[Freduardo]

Which lead me to my original point. Anyway, is MP Best 100 a decent game?

Unfortunately not from what I’ve heard.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Unfortunately not from what I’ve heard.

Darn. Then I suppose we are better off reliving the classics?

 

[FunAtParties]

Darn. Then I suppose we are better off reliving the classics?

Mario Party 3 party at my house, byob

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Good news, new Smash game.

Bad news, no one is sure if it's a brand new sequel or a port.

Guess E3 should make this more clear for us.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Good news, new Smash game.

Bad news, no one is sure if it's a brand new sequel or a port.

Guess E3 should make this more clear for us.

Eh, I think if going by the release year being this year exactly, saying it's new would be banking bit too many things on it to be shown under much smaller time period than Smash 4's pre-release speculation era.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Eh, I think if going by the release year being this year exactly, saying it's new would be banking bit too many things on it to be shown under much smaller time period than Smash 4's pre-release speculation era.

As noted a bit higher up this very page, we know that "Smash 6" went into development at the same time that Super Mario Odyssey did, almost four years ago.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Eh, I think if going by the release year being this year exactly, saying it's new would be banking bit too many things on it to be shown under much smaller time period than Smash 4's pre-release speculation era.

This, that's why I think it a port at best with few newcomers this time around.

I hope E3 can prove us wrong. I doubt development time this short would mean loads of content.