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Fail.
Thats a matter of opinion, not a serious reason for the Black Knight to be playable.
However, it's a very good opinion. Black Knight can be the playable villain and that other guy can be the boss in SE...
Marth will most likely be returning. He's been in more games than Ike, and was in Melee.
You hit the nail on the head. Which is why stating why Roy being the first lord on the GBA is stupid. That should be the reason why he should be included in Brawl, because he was the first GBA lord? That isn't even notable; you still haven't proven/shown why Roy is more important than Micaiah.
Then again, Kirby never fights Petey outside of Brawl either. Medeus would make a good Subspace opponent, working alongside the Subspace Minister to further his own ends and encountering Marth and Ike (and others perhaps) in the process. Personally I think a fight with a Dragon would suit Fire Emblem's representation in Subspace Emissary more than one with the Black Knight (*points to ChronoBound's post on the matter*). Of course, if SE is large enough, both could potentially work out, but thats another story altogether.
That in and of itself is another opinion. Opinions are not objective reasons for characters to be playable, they're just personal views on the matter.PsychoIncarnate said:
Even if you did have a point, Micaiah would not be a better character because she hails from the same continent as Ike, and as any Fire Emblem expert will tell, Ike plays top fiddle there. A character from one of the other two continents that had two games (Jugdral and Elibe) should get the third Fire Emblem spot. Unfortunately, everyone thinks just because Ike was the only Fire Emblem character confirmed as playable, that all the other playable characters will hail from Tellius.
However, you can choose either Kirby OR Mario to fight him and Mario does. Of course a Dragon would work best AS A BOSS...who said Black Knight can't be fought as well? He is a villain and instead of a Boss battle, you could fight him as a regular battle
I actually don' think this is too far from the truth. Rather, their has been a surge in games where you can play as hero, villian or both. Examples are Sonic Heros, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Star Wars the Sith Lords, a more recent game that has not been released yet is Star Wars Masters of the Force (or something along those lines). I think people enjoy playing a game from a different perspective. You have to remember without bad guys there are no good guys. In fact without the perception evil, there can be no such things as heroes. We've noticed the demand for King Dedede, K. Rool, the Black Knight, Gannondorf, Bowser, Wario, Wolf, etc.
Refer back to my first post about the Black Knight - he really has no good reason to be playable. Just being a villain means nothing, especially since hes not even a primary villain, but a sub-plot and support one.
Micaiah's importance to Radiant Dawn it not so little she's to be regulated to a side character to the plot; it can be argued that her importance to Radiant Dawn is equal or more than Ike's importance. Again you bring up the Ike vs Micaiah thing which has nothing to do with how Roy is more important than Micaiah.
So if Roy was significant enough to represent a continent in Melee, why would he not be able to make a return appearance? Is it because of the new game that features Ike?
None of your statements have answered my question. Honestly did you really think you could have a thread where only people who agreed with your opinion would post?
...because Takamaru owns all!! It's really the simple facts of life...
BK has Boss pontencial. He would suck as a character. He can't jump.
Because the old ones are just as exciting, as shown by their superior popularity overall (Marth and Sigurd are more popular than any FE character save Ike alone in Japan). Being new doesn't make them better as characters or as representatives for SSB. Indeed, the fact that having just those three would mean that only a very small portion of a diverse franchise would be represented is a very good reason why that would be a bad set of choices for the series.
And why would you think that? Marth was the primary FE rep in Melee, was he not? And theres nothing stopping from being in Brawl, is there? Clearly, Sakurai is listening to the fans - we have evidence aplenty of that in Sonic, Diddy, Pit, Metaknight, and Ike. He most certainly does care.vesperview said:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=74391
So basically you want all Fire Emblem leads that have existed just so that the series is well represented?
Finally, two people who have a grasp on how the Fire Emblem series works. Also, many of the Marth naysayers are being intentionally oblivious to FE11, of which Marth is going to be the main hero.
The main problem is that Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn will have been out for over three months. If there's anybody who will be the "promotion lord", it will be Marth because of FEDS.
Of course not - I'm well aware that three is the maximum that can reasonably be expected. I'm saying only that excluding most of the series in favor of the most recent games' characters is both arbitrary and foolish.
Evidence? I see no reason to believe this.vesperview said:
Truth, which is why Micaiah is possible, being the poster-girl for Radiant Dawn. It does not, however, make her the best choice, nor does it do anything for the Black Knight.vesperview said:
Ike's appearance does nothing for the Black Knight, save perhaps give him a shot at being a Subspace boss. He has absolutely no good reason to be playable, especially over characters like Marth or Sigurd.vesperview said:
Focusing on a particular entry of a series does not necessarily mean that it will be the only one featured either. Remember, he also has the long time fans to consider, who'd probably get pretty pissed if only one of the least popular arcs of their beloved series got represented... There's a reason they went back to the first installment for Fire Emblem DS y'know...
Perhaps, though I don't see the problem with a Fire Emblem addition that would bolster sales of Radiant Dawn even more and be a very unique character addition as well. Also what date does FEDS come out?
Uh, Ashnard was the main villain of Path of Radiance. Black Knight was just one of his goons in that game.
I think the downside of the series tends more to be the GC/Wii entries of the series than the GBA installments (seems like the GC era was the downside for a lot of series...
) I believe PoR and RD actually sold less than the GBA titles in Japan if you could believe that...Sorry, my bad!
Probably the first quarter of 2008 in Japan. Remember, Roy's game was released more than four months after Melee's Japanese release.
To begin with, we don't know for certain if Ness is being cut. Additionally, if he is, we do know why - Sakurai announced on the old Melee site that Lucas was always his intended Mother character for the series since the original, but that Ness was put in due to the delays in Lucas' game. Theres no reason to assume any connection between that and Fire Emblem's representation, especially when you consider that the Mother/Earthbound series doesn't change universes between its games and is much smaller than the Fire Emblem series.
No, it doesn't. Being a villain of Ike's games is not a reason for Black Knight to be playable, any more than being the villain of Marth's is a reason for Garnef or Medeus to be playable. Again, the Black Knight is an ultimately unimportant secondary villain in both of his games, doesn't even boast as much popularity as some less important characters from his own games (see: Soren), much less from the series as a whole, and is unnecessary as Ike already represents his corner of the Fire Emblem saga much better than the Black Knight could and Micaiah would make a better Radiant Dawn add. There is no good reason for him to be playable whatsoever.vesperview said:
If the GC/Wii addtions of Fire Emblem (One of which hasn't been released outside of Japan as of yet so you cannot judge it's sales fully) how on earth is Ike the most popular world-wide lord? I mean if you basing it on sales alone then shouldn't Roy be the most popular lord?I think the downside of the series tends more to be the GC/Wii entries of the series than the GBA installments (seems like the GC era was the downside for a lot of series...