Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[ChunkyBeef]

*cough* Ridley *cough*

Yes, yes, Ridley.

I'm pretty confident we're going to get DLC for Smash 4 either way. They've shown they can add major game changing DLC to the 3DS with the new Mario Golf, and I'm sure the Wii U has systems in place to make DLC a simple prospect. I'd say that even if Ridley doesn't wind up in the final product, we might well still see him as DLC.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Yes, yes, Ridley.

I'm pretty confident we're going to get DLC for Smash 4 either way. They've shown they can add major game changing DLC to the 3DS with the new Mario Golf, and I'm sure the Wii U has systems in place to make DLC a simple prospect. I'd say that even if Ridley doesn't wind up in the final product, we might well still see him as DLC.

I doubt it.

DLC implies that the game was somehow flawed enough to patch it. Smash Bros is Sakurai's baby, and he will ensure that the version of Smash Bros that launches will be the final version of Smash Bros.

We don't want Battlefield 4.

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt it.

DLC implies that the game was somehow flawed enough to patch it. Smash Bros is Sakurai's baby, and he will ensure that the version of Smash Bros that launches will be the final version of Smash Bros.

We don't want Battlefield 4.

WE DON'T SPEAK OF THAT GLITCHY ABOMINATION HERE.

 

[CardiganBoy]

I found this -not that it means anything- but i checked the Trailer and the figure is there

Spoiler

 

[OblivionWolf]

I found this -not that it means anything- but i checked the Trailer and the figure is there

Spoiler

Pac-Man in the sky and now Ridley in the rocks! O_O

 

[Anomilus]

Pac-Man in the sky and now Ridley in the rocks! O_O

And Mewtwo in the Greninja!

 

[Xhampi]

I found this -not that it means anything- but i checked the Trailer and the figure is there

Spoiler

So first Ridley play dead in Metroid Other M and now he appear in rocks.
Clearly Ridley must be a fan of K Rool.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

DLC implies that the game was somehow flawed enough to patch it. Smash Bros is Sakurai's baby, and he will ensure that the version of Smash Bros that launches will be the final version of Smash Bros.

I love you, Dalek_Kolt, but that's such a flawed view on DLC. Have you been bitten one too many times by Capcom?

Anyway, you shouldn't let companies like Capcom and EA skew your view on DLC. Having DLC doesn't imply the game was flawed enough to patch, because that's what plain ol' patches are for. No game is going to be perfectly balanced, that's what balance patches are for. DLC should be legitimate extra content that COMPLIMENTS the game it's for, and Nintendo so far has proven that the DLC they've been doing is fun, reasonably priced and actual extra content for the game. In fact, Mario Golf is the first time they've utilized DLC in a way to add content in a way that compliments the main game. Best of all?

Mario Golf's DLC isn't on the cartridge.

Isn't it kinda funny that, when the fact that DLC isn't simply locked content that should have shipped unlocked with the main game in the first place, it becomes positive news? I find it funny.

So you can see why I'm confident that Smash 4 will receive DLC, and it's going to GOOD DLC. It might even be like Mario Golf's DLC model: extra stages, and a new character bundled with the stages. That would be pretty dang cool!

tl;dr: DLC is great if it's not locked content, but is complimentary of the primary game.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention that, while Smash is Sakurai's baby, Sakurai's not the final word on whether the final product sees DLC or not. If it keeps hype going on Smash 4 and sells more units, I can see DLC occurring.

 

[Zuba Oki]

Many say that the Roidley version of Smash looks less bulky....I think I know how that happened...

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Random sketchy thingy.....

The first few panels made me think Ridley and Roidley were gonna fight for the right to kill samus

Bowser: Rids, when we grow up, I want to fight you.
Ridley: You're on, Bowsy.

WAY LATER....

Bowser: All right, no holding back....Show me what you got...
Ridley: You will know why they call me the "Cunning God Of Death"

This is EPIC

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I love you, Dalek_Kolt, but that's such a flawed view on DLC. Have you been bitten one too many times by Capcom?

Anyway, you shouldn't let companies like Capcom and EA skew your view on DLC. Having DLC doesn't imply the game was flawed enough to patch, because that's what plain ol' patches are for. No game is going to be perfectly balanced, that's what balance patches are for. DLC should be legitimate extra content that COMPLIMENTS the game it's for, and Nintendo so far has proven that the DLC they've been doing is fun, reasonably priced and actual extra content for the game. In fact, Mario Golf is the first time they've utilized DLC in a way to add content in a way that compliments the main game. Best of all?

Mario Golf's DLC isn't on the cartridge.

Isn't it kinda funny that, when the fact that DLC isn't simply locked content that should have shipped unlocked with the main game in the first place, it becomes positive news? I find it funny.

So you can see why I'm confident that Smash 4 will receive DLC, and it's going to GOOD DLC. It might even be like Mario Golf's DLC model: extra stages, and a new character bundled with the stages. That would be pretty dang cool!

tl;dr: DLC is great if it's not locked content, but is complimentary of the primary game.

Shouldn't we talk DLC after the game is released?

And as I've said, Sakurai seems to treat the Smash Bros. series as his Magnum Opus, not as some project to be rushed out ASAP. Whatever stages and characters that he deemed fit to get in Smash, will be the final roster, no exceptions. Really, the only DLC I see being distributed are patches for game-destroying bugs like with Pokemon X/Y and Skyward Sword.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Shouldn't we talk DLC after the game is released?

And as I've said, Sakurai seems to treat the Smash Bros. series as his Magnum Opus, not as some project to be rushed out ASAP. Whatever stages and characters that he deemed fit to get in Smash, will be the final roster, no exceptions. Really, the only DLC I see being distributed are patches for game-destroying bugs like with Pokemon X/Y and Skyward Sword.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Sakurai said Melee and Brawl were going to be his Magnum Opus and, huh, here we are waiting for Smash 4. Funny how things turn out, right?

I have no doubt in my mind we'll see bug/glitch patches, as well as balance patches. I just think you shouldn't discount DLC simply 'cause Nintendo and Sakurai like to ship a finished product. Mario Golf was clearly shipped a finished product, and it got DLC. I feel that's pretty indicative of Smash getting DLC because, at the end of the day, past behavior is a spectacular indicator of future behavior. Nintendo changing its policies on DLC and then approaching DLC THE RIGHT WAY is spectacular news.

And, really, no game is ever truly finished. As I said before, if Nintendo thinks it's going to sell more software and hardware, DLC's going to get made whether Sakurai wants it to or not. Even if Sakurai's out the door when Smash Wii U goes off to press and there's no DLC planned, Bamco's clearly got plans even if Sakurai's not there.

On Topic: Woo, Ridley! We want him for Smash 4. Yayyyy.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Normally I'd agree with you, but Sakurai said Melee and Brawl were going to be his Magnum Opus and, huh, here we are waiting for Smash 4. Funny how things turn out, right?

I have no doubt in my mind we'll see bug/glitch patches, as well as balance patches. I just think you shouldn't discount DLC simply 'cause Nintendo and Sakurai like to ship a finished product. Mario Golf was clearly shipped a finished product, and it got DLC. I feel that's pretty indicative of Smash getting DLC because, at the end of the day, past behavior is a spectacular indicator of future behavior. Nintendo changing its policies on DLC and then approaching DLC THE RIGHT WAY is spectacular news.

And, really, no game is ever truly finished. As I said before, if Nintendo thinks it's going to sell more software and hardware, DLC's going to get made whether Sakurai wants it to or not. Even if Sakurai's out the door when Smash Wii U goes off to press, Bamco's clearly got plans even if Sakurai's not there.

Yeah, he treats every project he makes as if its going to be his best thing ever. (Melee, Brawl, Uprising) It's because of that that DLC made for the game would feel...wrong. It implies that Sakurai messed up somehow, and that he messed up enough to fix the game post-production rather than pushing the deadline forward like what he did with Brawl.

Also, there is absolutely no way that I'm paying extra money for an extra fighter, no matter if they're top tier or Goku or whatever.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Yeah, he treats every project he makes as if its going to be his best thing ever. (Melee, Brawl, Uprising) It's because of that that DLC made for the game would feel...wrong.

Ah. So we should avoid the possibility of adding money-making and unit-moving DLC simply 'cause you think it would feel wrong? There's clearly a demand for DLC. Adding extra content to the finished version might feel wrong to you, but at the end of the day, Sakurai did his job. He shipped the final product. It's what he considers finished. Having content COMPLIMENT Sakurai's finished product isn't weird, or strange, or insulting, or anything of that nature.

Think of it this way. A great composer goes out of his way to make an amazing symphony. He spends years on the project. Each movement is what he considers to be perfect. No-one would dare take his symphony and adjust a single thing to it. Then his superior comes up to him and says, 'This symphony is incredible, but it's missing something that the audiences have been looking for. Why don't we add a few movements to round our your Magnum Opus?'.

What's wrong with making an incredible thing even better than it was before?

Also, there is absolutely no way that I'm paying extra money for an extra fighter, no matter if they're top tier or Goku or whatever.

That's the beauty of choice. You don't have to buy it. But for every one of you that won't, a hundred people will.

 

[Morbi]

So; are we discussing whether or not we would purchase Ridley if he was a DLC character? That is a good question, I enjoy his character, and I want him in the game to an extent... but would I purchase him? Yes. Yes, I would. That is the whole point of supporting a character, is it not?

 

[ChunkyBeef]

So; are we discussing whether or not we would purchase Ridley if he was a DLC character? That is a good question, I enjoy his character, and I want him in the game to an extent... but would I purchase him? Yes. Yes, I would. That is the whole point of supporting a character, is it not?

Yes, that's the whole point of this fun discussion about DLC, the possibility of DLC, and the possibility of Ridley possibly being DLC!

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Ah. So we should avoid the possibility of adding money-making and unit-moving DLC simply 'cause you think it would feel wrong? There's clearly a demand for DLC. Adding extra content to the finished version might feel wrong to you, but at the end of the day, Sakurai did his job. He shipped the final product. It's what he considers finished. Having content COMPLIMENT Sakurai's finished product isn't weird, or strange, or insulting, or anything of that nature.

Think of it this way. A great composer goes out of his way to make an amazing symphony. He spends years on the project. Each movement is what he considers to be perfect. No-one would dare take his symphony and adjust a single thing to it. Then his superior comes up to him and says, 'This symphony is incredible, but it's missing something that the audiences have been looking for. Why don't we add a few movements to round our your Magnum Opus?'.

What's wrong with making an incredible thing even better than it was before?



That's the beauty of choice. You don't have to buy it. But for every one of you that won't, a hundred people will.

I'm sorry, I'm just imagining the tournaments. The top contenders playing with these shiny fighters that everyone wants to use, to experiment with, but the conditions to unlock them involve digging out some extra money instead of fighting a certain number of battles or beating Adventure mode.

What's wrong with Smash DLC is that the game hasn't even come out yet. Why not implement these changes now? Why make a brand new fighter months after the game is released when Miiverse and Smashboards are constantly talking about characters they want in the game?

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Guys. What if. Guys, listen. What if Pyrosphere isn't Samus' stage? What if it's Ridley's and the boss is Anthony? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

Picture of the day- "Here is the boss of the pyrosphere---Anthony Higgs, he will start saying Remember me? until the characters kills themselves"

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I'm sorry, I'm just imagining the tournaments. The top contenders playing with these shiny fighters that everyone wants to use, to experiment with, but the conditions to unlock them involve digging out some extra money instead of fighting a certain number of battles or beating Adventure mode.

What's wrong with Smash DLC is that the game hasn't even come out yet. Why not implement these changes now? Why make a brand new fighter months after the game is released when Miiverse and Smashboards are constantly talking about characters they want in the game?

Why not implement those changes now? 'cause once Smash 3DS drops, they're kinda locked in. I'd imagine at this juncture, they're either finishing up the roster or polishing up what they've got as far as characters go. At any rate, people were discussing the possibility of DLC before Brawl even came out, and the Wii didn't even have the infrastructure to support it. The 3DS and Wii U both DO have these infrastructures in place, so now we've got a serious chance for it to occur. Which is funny, 'cause there's a legitimate chance it'll happen now and no-one's discussing the possibilities.

Anyway, yeah, there's always going to be a divide. If you don't have the money, you can't get the new stuff. That's tough ****, man, 'cause that's business, and not everything in this world needs to be handed out to people for free. If you want to play the new characters and stages, you'll pay for the DLC. If you don't, well, at least you get to learn the matchups because you'll be playing them a lot online.

Look, I understand where you're coming from, but more is almost always better. Smash Wii U needs a novelty to push more units and software besides being 'the next big Smash Brothers on console!'. If it's not going to be what people are asking for in the final product - King K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Chrom, etc. - then these things need to be made DLC, plain and simple. The infrastructure is there, they have the people to work on it, I'm sure there's a TON of scrapped ideas that were great and just couldn't be implemented into the final product 'cause of time constraints, y'know? DLC's a great way to also put those things into their respective versions.

The possibilities are effectively endless, and I'd like to think I'm not the only person that thinks this way.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Picture of the day- "Here is the boss of the pyrosphere---Anthony Higgs, he will start saying Remember me? until the characters kills themselves"

Could be worse.

Adam could be the boss, and his primary method of attack is crippling your attacks, one by one, until you can do nothing but stand there.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty cool premise for a Bowyer fight from Legend of the Seven Stars.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

So; are we discussing whether or not we would purchase Ridley if he was a DLC character? That is a good question, I enjoy his character, and I want him in the game to an extent... but would I purchase him? Yes. Yes, I would. That is the whole point of supporting a character, is it not?

Honestly I would buy any character.

 

[Morbi]

Honestly I would buy any character.

I would honestly buy any character as well; even if I hated the character, even if I never wanted to play the character, even if my Wii U was running out of memory. I don't know why, I just would.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Could be worse.

Adam could be the boss, and his primary method of attack is crippling your attacks, one by one, until you can do nothing but stand there.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty cool premise for a Bowyer fight from Legend of the Seven Stars.

Samus: Time for zero laser, mother****ers
Adam: Don't even dare Samus, use of the zero beam is unauthorized
Samus: Adam? What are you doing here? I'm in the middle of a fight
Adam: I came here to ruin your character again, but this time I'll do the same with the rest of your friends, use of any kind of attack is unauthorized
Everyone: Who is this idiot anyway?
Little they knew that they were being watched
Sakamoto: This is such a good idea

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If they released Pink Gold Baby Peach as a DLC character, would you buy her?

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I'm an old-fashioned *******, so unless it's free or ridiculously cheap, I'm not planning to buy any extra fighters.

DLC stages? Yeah, no.

 

[Pacack]

If they released Pink Gold Baby Peach as a DLC character, would you buy her?

...yes.

 

[Phaazoid]

If they released Pink Gold Baby Peach as a DLC character, would you buy her?

I would buy blue adamntium old woman rosalina, poop mario, and a yoshi made out of pillows

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I would buy blue adamantium old woman rosalina,

Why does that sound awesome.

 

[Kalimdori]

I found this -not that it means anything- but i checked the Trailer and the figure is there

Spoiler

He's also in the tree branch, you can see his eye and neck and everything! RIDLEY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Phaazoid]

Why does that sound awesome.

Because she's from the future

she's come back to stop the lumas from being exterminated in the distant future and kick ass, and she's already done the first thing

 

[SchAlternate]

He's also in the tree branch, you can see his eye and neck and everything! RIDLEY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

Holy hell, you're right!

This is the "cloud" incident all over again!

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I'm an old-fashioned *******, so unless it's free or ridiculously cheap, I'm not planning to buy any extra fighters.

DLC stages? Yeah, no.

I understand completely. :3

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I...is this a joke?
When did the mindless purchasing of clones and costumes become the norm? Who honestly expects the likes of Ridley and King K. Rool to be so amazing and awesome, that even more money to be given to Nintendo is required to play as them before the game is even out? What's the point of unlockable characters when there are those that require more than skill and patience to unlock?

Ugh, I think I need to step out of this thread for the night.

 

[Phaazoid]

I found Kraid

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I...is this a joke?
When did the mindless purchasing of clones and costumes become the norm? Who honestly expects the likes of Ridley and King K. Rool to be so amazing and awesome, that even more money to be given to Nintendo is required to play as them before the game is even out? What's the point of unlockable characters when there are those that require more than skill and patience to unlock?

Ugh, I think I need to step out of this thread for the night.

LOL, I don't actually WANT DLC characters, but I WOULD buy them if they were a thing.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

I found Kraid

That's is obviously K. rool.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Holy hell, you're right!

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This is the "cloud" incident all over again!

You can see they gave him an improved body.....

 

[SchAlternate]

So I went ahead and gave the branch a neat coat of purple, gave it a glowing eye and...

Voila!

How far am I gonna take this joke?

 

[CardiganBoy]

How far am I gonna take this joke?

Making a better drawing of Ridley with the body that i edited on him......

 

[False Sense]

Holy hell, you're right!

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This is the "cloud" incident all over again!

So...

Mewtwo could be seen in Greninja's shadowed silhouette...

Ridley could be seen in the rock formations...

And Pac-Man could be seen in the clouds.

I'm not one to put any stock into this sort of thing, but the number of coincidental appearances in this trailer is rather interesting.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I found Fawful in the trailer.

Gonna keep my eye out for more secrets....