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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era
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SwagzillaForilla
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That's an e-mail Nintendo sent out today to inform everyone about Shulk's reveal trailer (since there was no announcement for it in the West). Sorry, false alarm everyone.People , this image is on the internet , its legit?!
Xzsmmc
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Oh boy, I can't wait for Dark Pit.People , this image is on the internet , its legit?!
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Well that sure is something to keep a look out on.
Too bad people are making "I'm so hyped for no reason" posts instead of actually discussing what they think will happen.
I dunno about that... at least not yet.
I just think this means that after the last leak, there will not be another one unless someone wants to face the Nintendo Assassins, lol.
Regardless, I think Ridley is almost definitely in.
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DarkFalcon
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Embargo until release? Can't comment on Ridley but responded to a question about Ridley? Ridley confirmed!
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Add me as well
LAME!
It's too late. Or you're on it now. IDK
You have to confirm Ridley with video proof.
Just like that.
And anyone else I didn't respond to, I'm about to edit all of you in.
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I don't know what's more disappointing. Not being here/able to stop anything, or having to go through the Brawl-era treatment again.
Seriously, what the hell did you guys think was going to happen?
Seriously, what the hell did you guys think was going to happen?
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Contrary to popular belief/misconception, posting for the sake of hype/furthering the thread along in post count is akin to spamming.
Especially if they mostly consist of:
- multiple/single images
- videos (please link instead of embedding, lest the pages lag like crazy)
- intentional overreaction/"spamming/trolling" posts including but not limited to:
- -posting in all caps
-one-word/line replies and just posts with no actual substance
-playing devil's advocate for the sake of boredom/sarcasm
-and just making terrible posts in general.
- -posting in all caps
If these type of posts outnumber the ones on topic (and yes, that includes post that go/are mostly off topic, then go "Also/back to Ridley" at the end. No, putting it in spoiler tags does not make it okay), then we have a problem.
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As for the "ban" on leak talk. Yes, I specifically note leaks because that specific talk plagues every corner of the site as of recent, but that doesn't mean it should be used as a gauge/example of how whatever's going on now "isn't as bad as doing that."
Don't get me wrong. I completely understand and sympathize with hype, less-serious posts, and yes, even futile/misplaced hope. I was replying to/making this before I noticed things getting out of hand:
Mirror: "You see, technically you're not actually a feasible character. To be playable, you have to be a certain size-"
Ridley: "
It's all fun and games/usually fine when it's underlying actually topical discussion. But the rate this thread was posting (30+ pages over half a day, which isn't even as bad as it gets) was ridiculous considering the reason people were getting hyped was... him not getting shown/disconfirmed? Or potentially being shown to people who won't tell us until after the game releases? I'm not even touching the "other villain/boss has a shadow/is big too so this means something for us" thing.
The point is, yes things are dragging out, especially now with release being so close, but that doesn't mean all the warnings in the past don't exist. Save the hype/reaction stuff for when we actually have reason to use them/have an actual Social topic.
Lastly, I shouldn't need to remind people the possibility exists that things aren't guaranteed to end well for us. Celebrating before the war was won has historically not turned out well for these threads in particular. Plus gives us less to celebrate about later. Optimism isn't bad, but don't go bashing the roster/game if things don't pan out. At least, not in here.
With that all said, I'm giving this one last chance. Needless to say, warnings will increase in severity.
There's officially 14 days left until we've officially made it/it'll all be over. That's nothing compared to how long most of us have waited.
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you heard her, lets speculate about ridley now that we know we won't be getting info till launch
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VenomSymbiote
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So I was thinking, Ridley still has a shot at a newcomer trailer of he's in, right? The one yesterday was ok and all but if it was the last it was rather short. Not really a trailer I'd consider grand sendoff to release date. It also didn't show any new villains. Seems like he very likely could get a trailer still, if he's in and going to be revealed before release that is.
Edit: Crainy, what statement? You mean when he replied at someone who asked about Ridley and said he couldn't say? I'd like to think it alludes to something, but on the other hand it could very well just be him shooting down something so people didn't get their hopes up without outright stating it. Not saying I want this to be so, or that I think that's what is going on, just don't take it as a confirmation or anything. Cautiously optimistic would be a safer stance I think.
Edit: Crainy, what statement? You mean when he replied at someone who asked about Ridley and said he couldn't say? I'd like to think it alludes to something, but on the other hand it could very well just be him shooting down something so people didn't get their hopes up without outright stating it. Not saying I want this to be so, or that I think that's what is going on, just don't take it as a confirmation or anything. Cautiously optimistic would be a safer stance I think.
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Alright. This is something I've wondered about myself and have debated with others for quite some time now, yet I haven't been able to attain any satisfactory answers to that end.
How exactly does the fanbase believe Ridley will play? As in, how will his size and structure work in the game, what weapons and abilities will he use, etc. etc.?
I've heard a lot of arguments from both sides in this case. I reject the argument that he's "too big", purely because I think it's trivial and banal - as Sakurai himself said, if he wants Ridley to be in the game, he will be in the game, all difficulties and uncertainties therein addressed as relevant and appropriate. From a somewhat more cogent perspective, there's the argument that he is too awkwardly shaped and physically inappropriate for a game such as Smash that requires a lot of movement and a great deal of reflexes. I'm willing to concede that the argument, while not infallible, holds water - still, I am sure that this has been duly noted and rebutted by the fans.
Now, we've all heard the sardonic commentary: "He'll just be a Charizard clone with a purple palette", "He just flies around and breathes fire", and so on and so forth. I'm not a Ridley supporter nor a Ridley detractor. I'm an impartial observer that's seeking empirical analyses as to why you think Ridley ought to be in the game and how such technical and mechanical issues could potentially be addressed.
tl;dr - How would you guys make and design Ridley?
How exactly does the fanbase believe Ridley will play? As in, how will his size and structure work in the game, what weapons and abilities will he use, etc. etc.?
I've heard a lot of arguments from both sides in this case. I reject the argument that he's "too big", purely because I think it's trivial and banal - as Sakurai himself said, if he wants Ridley to be in the game, he will be in the game, all difficulties and uncertainties therein addressed as relevant and appropriate. From a somewhat more cogent perspective, there's the argument that he is too awkwardly shaped and physically inappropriate for a game such as Smash that requires a lot of movement and a great deal of reflexes. I'm willing to concede that the argument, while not infallible, holds water - still, I am sure that this has been duly noted and rebutted by the fans.
Now, we've all heard the sardonic commentary: "He'll just be a Charizard clone with a purple palette", "He just flies around and breathes fire", and so on and so forth. I'm not a Ridley supporter nor a Ridley detractor. I'm an impartial observer that's seeking empirical analyses as to why you think Ridley ought to be in the game and how such technical and mechanical issues could potentially be addressed.
tl;dr - How would you guys make and design Ridley?
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Yeah, I definitely think he's still coming, but we're not likely to get an announcement in a bit. Let's hope this thread lasts until Ridley gets announced/the game is announced and Ridley is confirmed playable.
We now know of two potential stage bosses, Yellow Devil and Metal Face. BOTH of them are on both versions. Metroid and DK don't have a new handheld stage yet, but are most likely going to get one, considering the fact that Mother and F-Zero get new stages. Why hasn't the Metroid stage been shown yet? Probably because it ISN'T Pyrosphere, which would mean Ridley isn't a stage boss in both versions. He's playable.
I think I've figured out how the roster listing will work, too. We've got five new characters; it will just increase by one more wide when more characters are unlocked, which fits perfectly. Metroid gets pushed down one more line, and so does Kirby. The final row won't be filled out.
As for the Metal Face tease... its not the same situation as Ridley at all. In fact, that only hints more at Ridley being playable, especially because they announced Gaur Plains is Shulk's stage on both versions.
On the ground, Ridley is at his worst. His best mechanics on the ground is his grabs. On the ground, Ridley is hunched over on all fours, in the air he's not, so he looks bigger (but he's still not really all that big).
We now know of two potential stage bosses, Yellow Devil and Metal Face. BOTH of them are on both versions. Metroid and DK don't have a new handheld stage yet, but are most likely going to get one, considering the fact that Mother and F-Zero get new stages. Why hasn't the Metroid stage been shown yet? Probably because it ISN'T Pyrosphere, which would mean Ridley isn't a stage boss in both versions. He's playable.
I think I've figured out how the roster listing will work, too. We've got five new characters; it will just increase by one more wide when more characters are unlocked, which fits perfectly. Metroid gets pushed down one more line, and so does Kirby. The final row won't be filled out.
As for the Metal Face tease... its not the same situation as Ridley at all. In fact, that only hints more at Ridley being playable, especially because they announced Gaur Plains is Shulk's stage on both versions.
I think a Big 3 trailer is highly likely at this point. For the most hype, show off the most requested characters in one trailer as the final trailer before release.
For Ridley, I think the ideal way he'd work is as a mostly flight-based character. Ridley would be an aerial character and a grappler. He has several attacks that grab opponents and send them flying. He can stay in the air longer than any other character (this is his unique mechanic), and has fast specials that attack quickly, but slow movement speed.
On the ground, Ridley is at his worst. His best mechanics on the ground is his grabs. On the ground, Ridley is hunched over on all fours, in the air he's not, so he looks bigger (but he's still not really all that big).
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Crainy
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I just think its interesting that he choose to respond to a Ridley related question in general. Im not saying it "confirms" Ridley, Im just saying it adds up to all the other things that point to Ridley beeing in, which is a mountain of hope now.
Darkfur
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I want Ridley's Final Smash to be Jigglypuff's old Final Smash. And I want him to shout. "I'll show you too big! RAWR!!!" When he does it. (Also, I've been here ages. Can't I be on that supporter list too? =p)
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LockFelino
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Statement? What did I miss while sleeping?
At this point I could care less as to if he got a trailer. It would be nice granted, but seeing as if it'll of course be animated, I can understand how stressful doing it can be. Unless of course it is done in advance, then I'm talking out my arse again.
Oh if only, if only...
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Hopefully people have had time to calm down, was using this thread as my main sources for potential Ridley info because of the embargo the press and games journalists have atm. I'll admit I got caught in the hype but I'm sure I speak for most of us when I say hopefully we'll learn the truth about Ridley sooner than later, preferably in the form on a trailer on the site, don't see them doing a surprise Nintendo direct in English with the Ridley trailer alongside.
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I agree, that was very fishy. Andre would've been better off saying nothing. He's probably thinking back home "damnit, I got all this great info that I CAN'T share with anyone yet!"
Someone messaged Andrew from GameExplain and said "RIIIIIIDLEY?!" and Andre said "I can't say either way." The fact that he responded at all is fishy, though.
I kept trying to tell everyone to calm down, but it wasn't working...
Let's just try to keep calm when they announce the next character reveal. And I'm sure we ARE getting a new character reveal before release, probably on release in fact.
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Every newcomer is getting a trailer, though that doesn't mean all trailers will be shown before the release.
The idea of a trailer with various villains is unlikely to happen, though (and it's also a very stupid idea, I am sorry. Ridley should have his own trailer).
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I made a new Signature on my current thoughts about Ridley’s status.
New Japanese commercials for the 3DS are out on youtube, claming the Roster is “Over 40 Characters” I’d feel a little safer for Ridley if it was saying “Over 50”
The Whole metal Face thing.. if Sakurai said right away like he did with Chrom. Woah woah woah, hes not playable hes a boss on this stage, my odds for Ridley being in game would skyrocket.. but he has yet to.
I think my fear is getting closer to realization.. How cool does this sound “Ridley is a Wii-U EXCLUSIVE…………….Boss!!!!” And Sakurai thinks we will be smiling and clapping away.
New Japanese commercials for the 3DS are out on youtube, claming the Roster is “Over 40 Characters” I’d feel a little safer for Ridley if it was saying “Over 50”
The Whole metal Face thing.. if Sakurai said right away like he did with Chrom. Woah woah woah, hes not playable hes a boss on this stage, my odds for Ridley being in game would skyrocket.. but he has yet to.
I think my fear is getting closer to realization.. How cool does this sound “Ridley is a Wii-U EXCLUSIVE…………….Boss!!!!” And Sakurai thinks we will be smiling and clapping away.
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The thing is, does Sakurai aknowledge those 3 are considered the biggest requests?
Lucimar
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What happened? Did Ridley get leaked?
VenomSymbiote
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Yeah Felino I don't mind if he doesn't get a trailer as long as he's in. However, if any sort of direct gets announced within the next two weeks for the West only I may explode.
Edit: T-Hell, I think the fact that Mewtwo, Ridley, and Dixie haven't been outright mentioned or deconfirmed in any other way could be something. Does it have to be? No, 'course not. Still think about it, Ridley and a character people want back more than anything and a series that deserves a newcomer after having two fantastic games on wii and wii u? The big three in one would skyrocket hype. It may be why they were withheld from you know what, just in case.
Edit: T-Hell, I think the fact that Mewtwo, Ridley, and Dixie haven't been outright mentioned or deconfirmed in any other way could be something. Does it have to be? No, 'course not. Still think about it, Ridley and a character people want back more than anything and a series that deserves a newcomer after having two fantastic games on wii and wii u? The big three in one would skyrocket hype. It may be why they were withheld from you know what, just in case.
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MasterOfKnees
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No, just off-topic banter and people needlessly hyping up an event with no relation to Ridley.
Part of me feels it was best to keep it locked, but we're only two weeks away now, and we'll definitely know for sure before then, so whatever.
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Ridley didn't get leaked, but we got quite a few fake screens posted here that seemed Brawl mods. Also the press and game journalists are under embargo so they can't say anything either, we have a bit to wait still.
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Vintage Creep
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Guys, I'm 100% sure there was no playable Ridley at that press conference. It's time to let it go honestly.
Let it go if you want, we're more or less 2 weeks away from knowing the truth and we aren't giving up now..
Yeah, I'm not giving up, but I'm tired of dwelling in speculation at the same time haha. Luckily I'm gonna be quite busy these following weeks so hopefully time will fly by quickly and I'll learn Ridley's fate sooner than I expect.
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LockFelino
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Ooh, very interesting. I'd certainly feel like that if I was in his position (Which I still wish to this day >///>). I would say he shouldn't have responded at all, but then again that may have had a worse outcome than replying.
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What exactly does it mean for a post to possess substance in a thread like this? What makes a terrible post as opposed to a good one? Seems pretty vague to me, i.e. spam = posts that mods deem unworthy. I know you guys have rules, as you should, but what did you expect?
RIDLEY!
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VenomSymbiote
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Who says there had to be playable Ridley at the round table? They can show off a trailer or newcomers in video form without having them playable. I'm not giving up until the robust Opera lady sings.
Vintage Creep
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I mean playable as in "Ridley revealed to be a playable character". The most we can expect is, finally, to see that ****ing boss hazard Ridley in Pyrosphere. It's long overdue.
I still hope he's playable but I find it hard to believe, and Sakurai truly dropped the ball on his situation with all the year-long teasing.
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1. We just got a Japan exclusive Direct with a info drop on Nintendo future releases in general and a new character reveal, with hardly any focus on Smash Bros. Which should have been the other way around. Which lends more credence to more Smash news and it possibly catering to the Western audience.
2. We don't have long till the Japanese release, where else would they give out the info? PAX is the last big event as far as I'm aware which makes too much sense.
3. The fact that it's under embargo clearly means it's something big, and they flat out give us information on the new 3DS in the Japanese direct as well as new games so it can't be that. The only thing I can think of is if the rumour about the final build being at PAX is true, which is why it's under embargo because they won't want anyone to spoil it. Though there likely will be someone who caves in so Nintendo will likely have to come out to the rest of us with the news soon.
So yes I'm sure we still have a chance of getting news on Ridley, unless you have a better idea (and having a gut feeling doesn't count), and like I said time is short and there's not many other places to present it, I just wish I knew how long the embargo lasted.
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I agree, tho it's King K.Rool the one who is part of the Hype 3, not Dixie.
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I just want to clarify something. I'm not on the Ridley hype train because I really, really, really want Ridley playable. K. Rool is the character I'm vying for more. I'm on the Ridley hype train because I think he's playable. I do think he SHOULD be playable, but I'm not a diehard Ridley fan.
Either way, we'll know in a couple weeks.
Either way, we'll know in a couple weeks.
Its confirmed there's more than just the leaked roster.
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I just woke up. Could someone fill me in on what happened at PAX and whats this whole statement thing?
Vintage Creep
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Confirmed by who? There's absolutely no confirmation, it's just speculation.
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Repeatedly quoting users with one word answers (Yes/No mostly) or very brief, nonsensical answers are usually what that covers.
Posting "Ridley" by itself to relate to this thread is another such example. A paragraph of off-topic text doesn't have substance pertaining to the topic, hence why I'll often point out adding something like "also/back to Ridley" doesn't suddenly make the post okay.
As for the unworthy bit, if it gets reported or could lead to derailment (or lowering the quality of posting), or has pretty obvious reasoning as to why it shouldn't be on this thread/site, then it should pretty much explain itself why it's labeled as such.
I don't actually believe/use the term terrible, I'm just going off of what/how I learned it.
MasterOfKnees
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No it's not, it's vastly speculated, but until we actually have something conclusive to show that there are more characters it isn't confirmed. Even if there are more characters I'm still a bit skeptical Ridley would be one of them, but I really don't want to get into that now.
There was a closed media event at PAX that several media guys attended, GameXplain being one of them. After it ended someone asked them on Twitter about Ridley, and all they said were basically "We aren't allowed say anything on the matter." Aka nothing. They're very likely tied to an NDA that stops them from discussing anything that's in and isn't in the game.
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