Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Saltwater Gem]

Because that is an incredibly stupid thing to suggest. Falcondorf is the exception not the rule.

You're just justifying bullying. Like it's impossible to respond to it with civility.

 

[SchAlternate]

This thread is proof positive of (some!) Ridley fanboys being bullies. I was practically assaulted for suggesting that he might be a Charizard clone.

Well, suggesting such an ignorant claim was a rather bold move in itself given how Ridley and Charizard share little to no similarities in both physical structure and abilities (besides being fire breathing dragons).

I recall someone saying elsewhere that "Ridley" isn't moving at 60 fps, only at about 30 fps, which could make him look a little jerkier. The Yellow Devil also moves at 30 fps. But that's just what someone told me, anyway.

That only applies to the 3DS version, not the Wii U, so it's probably not the case.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

I think it would be so awesome if Sakurai revealed the boss for Pyrosphere was actually Kraid....

 

[Wise Multishine]

I recall someone saying elsewhere that "Ridley" isn't moving at 60 fps, only at about 30 fps, which could make him look a little jerkier. The Yellow Devil also moves at 30 fps. But that's just what someone told me, anyway.

Youtube's limit is 30 fps. There's no way to tell, unfortunately.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Well, suggesting such an ignorant claim was a rather bold move in itself given how Ridley and Charizard share little to no similarities in both physical structure and abilities (besides being fire breathing dragons).

The two long-necked, winged fire-breathing dragons share little similarities? My point at the time was that it was the CLOSEST physical form to Ridley.

 

[SolarKirby]

This thread is proof positive of (some!) Ridley fanboys being bullies. I was practically assaulted for suggesting that he might be a Charizard clone.

To be fair, that's a really shallow and foolish statement. You take a look at Charizard, then a look at Ridley and say "Oh look. They're both dragons. welp. DECONFIRMED LOLOLOL". I've seen other detractors use this argument and it is just an absolutely awful way to try to debunk Ridley's playability. Think about this: Were Mario and Luigi clones? Were Peach and Rosalina clones? Not at all. Just because something looks similar does not mean at all that it would have a very similar moveset. Your claim was dumb and all you can do is call us out for being bullies....mkay.

 

[MagnesD3]

Trophy theory is love, Trophy theory is life.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

To be fair, that's a really shallow and foolish statement. You take a look at Charizard, then a look at Ridley and say "Oh look. They're both dragons. welp. DECONFIRMED LOLOLOL". I've seen other detractors use this argument and it is just an absolutely awful way to try to debunk Ridley's playability. Think about this: Were Mario and Luigi clones? Were Peach and Rosalina clones? Not at all. Just because something looks similar does not mean at all that it would have a very similar moveset. Your claim was dumb and all you can do is call us out for being bullies....mkay.

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.

I mean, you don't see the irony here? We're talking about Ridley fans being aggressive bullies and I've already been insulted by 3 people in the last couple minutes.

 

[Eisendrachen]

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.

Except, see, the mistake made here was that Ridley does not in any way resemble Charizard. He'd be more of a DK clone.

 

[SchAlternate]

The two long-necked, winged fire-breathing dragons share little similarities? My point at the time was that it was the CLOSEST physical form to Ridley.

Have you seen Ridley's neck? That thing is basically a bent straw. That's one of the main reasons why attempting to port Ridley's model into Charizard resulted in stuff like this:

Eugh.

Besides, why would Ridley have a move where he smashes a rock with his head in his moveset?

If you observe his fight in Super Metroid, you can see that he flies indifinately, spits fireballs, air grab, pogo sticks with his tail, etc. He doesn't need to be a clone, he already has more than enough to work with.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.

I mean, you don't see the irony here? We're talking about Ridley fans being aggressive bullies and I've already been insulted by 3 people in the last couple minutes.

You're not being insulted. You're being educated in an aggressive way. If you haven't read the second post, I'd highly recommend it.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Have you seen Ridley's neck? That thing is basically a bent straw. That's one of the main reasons why attempting to port Ridley's model into Charizard resulted in stuff like this:


Eugh.

Besides, why would Ridley have a move where he smashes a rock with his head in his moveset?

If you observe his fight in Super Metroid, you can see that he flies indifinately, spits fireballs, air grab, pogo sticks with his tail, etc. He doesn't need to be a clone, he already has more than enough to work with.

Easy. I know Ridley has enough to work with. The whole premise was just asking how fans would feel if he turned out to be a clone. Charizard just happens to be the most logical reply the subsequent question "of who?". But I was beat up (and now again) before anyone even grasped the premise of what I was asking.

You're not being insulted. You're being educated in an aggressive way. If you haven't read the second post, I'd highly recommend it.

Yes, I'm well educated on trying to construct a laughable conspiracy out of Sakurai's intentions and the shadow voodoo and etc. Being aggressive isn't a good defense against accusations of being aggressive.

 

[liets]

As much as I don't think Ridley is playable (this isn't the point of the post don't hurt me), I love coming here because the things you guys say are so funny. And I don't mean like playability arguments I mean in general.

 

[RidleyDX]

Going to a support thread for said character and saying for sure they won't be in the game, then receives an expected response = bullied

Three people disagree with me = Ridley Fans are bullies, seems legit.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Going to a support thread for said character and saying for sure they won't be in the game, then receives an expected response = bullied

Three people disagree with me = Ridley Fans are bullies, seems legit.

AT WHAT POINT DID I SAY FOR SURE HE FOR SURE WOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME?

 

[Naglfarii]

You're not being insulted. You're being educated in an aggressive way. If you haven't read the second post, I'd highly recommend it.

I'm so sick of hearing about that second post

 

[RidleyDX]

Ridley is 100% not going to be playable in this game. Maybe, MAYBE in some 'control the boss' format, but not as a regular fighter. I'm willing to bet my account on it.

I want him in badly, but he's not.

 

[SchAlternate]

Easy. I know Ridley has enough to work with. The whole premise was just asking how fans would feel if he turned out to be a clone. Charizard just happens to be the most logical reply the subsequent question "of who?". But I was beat up (and now again) before anyone even grasped the premise of what I was asking.

Beat up? What do you mean by that? We just naturally responded by claiming that to be nonsense.

The thing is, due to be way Ridley looks and behaves, it's almost impossible to base him out of anyone in the existing roster. Even Charizard, because of that freaking neck.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

In a discussion completely different from the one we're having? So you can't respond to what I'm saying with civility because you don't like something I said 3 months ago?

 

[Wise Multishine]

As much as I don't think Ridley is playable

What did you say?

I'm so sick of hearing about that second post

 

[MischF]

I'm so sick of hearing about that second post

I mean it contains most if not all arguments made here so it only makes sense for people to refer back to it often.

 

[SolarKirby]

Ridley is 100% not going to be playable in this game. Maybe, MAYBE in some 'control the boss' format, but not as a regular fighter. I'm willing to bet my account on it.

I want him in badly, but he's not.

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.
.

AT WHAT POINT DID I SAY FOR SURE HE FOR SURE WOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME?

You owe us one account if your claiming you changed your mind.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

I'm so sick of hearing about that second post

go to the post thats after the first post but just before the third post.
hows that?

 

[Ridley1994]

Well this is ironic.

 

[Wise Multishine]

Well this is ironic.

Nope. It's actually the opposite. Considering we're in the most popular Ridley forum. Nice try tho.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Ridley Sizes it Up!!!
Please Sakurai....

 

[Saltwater Gem]

And what's the distance between my post saying he's not playable and asking about being a Charizard clone? Days? Weeks? Months?

 

[SchAlternate]

Then again, he did only ask (at that point) what if Ridley was a clone, which naturally implies that in that scenario he IS playable. Whether or not what his opinion was months ago is irrelevant, he may have changed his mind between those dates.

 

[SolarKirby]

And what's the distance between my post saying he's not playable and asking about being a Charizard clone? Days? Weeks? Months?

So does that mean you changed your mind? One account, please.

i'm just joking with you xD

 

[Wise Multishine]

And what's the distance between my post saying he's not playable and asking about being a Charizard clone? Days? Weeks? Months?

A little over two months, but you've given us no reason to even attempt to think you changed your mind. I mean, suggesting he might be a Charizard clone sounds rather troll-y.

 

[iamresh]

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.

I mean, you don't see the irony here? We're talking about Ridley fans being aggressive bullies and I've already been insulted by 3 people in the last couple minutes.

i think u might be overreacting to the replies lol

 

[Saltwater Gem]

You owe us one account if your claiming you changed your mind.

I wasn't talking about him being deconfirmed in the post I made MONTHS LATER asking about him being a Charizard clone. I still feel 100% that he is not playable, but I trusted that you would be mature enough to respond to my question, not go off on a dismissive froth-mouthed tangent putting together weird jigsaw pieces from months-spaced posts.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Let me ask, why do you care that people bring up a statement that was said months ago? Can't you just bring a new topic about Ridley to drop the current topic? Just a suggestion.

 

[Deleted member]

I didn't say deconfirmed! I just asked how fans would feel if he was a Charizard clone.

I mean, you don't see the irony here? We're talking about Ridley fans being aggressive bullies and I've already been insulted by 3 people in the last couple minutes.

Well to be fair, asking how fans of any character (for the most part) would feel if said character was to be included in the game as a clone would probably result in disapproving responses to such an idea. I don't know about you, but I would like to see the characters I support implemented in a (preferably unique) way that is true to their fighting style, game, or other characteristics (excluding size), and not in a way that respects the character characteristics of someone/some creature from a completely different franchise, you know?

Ganondorf is a good example, I really like him as a character, but my biggest pet peeve is the fact that he is a Captain Falcon clone, certainly in Brawl they slightly decloned him, but he was still a Captain Falcon Clone for the most part, with the major differentiation coming in his movement speed and damage characteristics. I personally would much rather have Ganondorf with a moveset that pays respect to his character elements from the LoZ franchise, not the character elements of an F-Zero Racer (of course, Falcon's moveset was completely made from scratch because he canonically is never out of his vehicle, but the point stands).

Furthermore, while I frown upon such hostility from some of my fellow Ridley Supporters, it should be noted that the subjects of Ridley's "lack of potential" and "size issues" have become incredibly sensitive subjects to the majority of us because of the absolutely ridiculous amount of ridicule we have received for supporting him.

I'll be upfront about it, this fanbase has some mean and nasty people, but at the same time, that is at least partially because we have had, for a long time, the nastiest of all detractor bases for any character. What other fanbase is there that has such strong detraction that they have actually created a term for said detractors? [Toobigots] (Yes, not all Ridley detractors are against him from the size standpoint, but a good number of them are).

After such continued (and sometimes, extremely harsh) hostility, it's not very extreme to think that the base that endures said hostility will eventually become hostile in response.

Not many people (myself included, admittedly) are able to simply "turn the other cheek" and let such hostility/abrasive detraction fall on us without having some hostile response in return, which is why we have garnered such a reputation as "bullies" to some.

So many times have we been met with this hostile detraction that a hostile response in return has, for most people, become the norm to the point that we will respond hostilely to even a "peaceful" detractor.

In short, Hostility breeds Hostility, and some of us have been dealing with this detraction for so long that this Hostility is all we know.

I apologize if you or other detractors feel that we are "bullying" you by shooting down your opinions and such. But at the same time, such adamant and (potentially) hostile detraction (as it most often is) will be met with adamant and (potentially) hostile responses, that's just how severe this entire thing has become.

 

[SS-bros14]

This thread is proof positive of (some!) Ridley fanboys being bullies. I was practically assaulted for suggesting that he might be a Charizard clone.

With that logic Bowser and Charizard might be clones.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Well to be fair, asking how fans of any character (for the most part) would feel if said character was to be included in the game as a clone would probably result in disapproving responses to such an idea. I don't know about you, but I would like to see the characters I support implemented in a (preferably unique) way that is true to their fighting style, game, or other characteristics (excluding size), and not in a way that respects the character characteristics of someone/some creature from a completely different franchise, you know?

Ganondorf is a good example, I really like him as a character, but my biggest pet peeve is the fact that he is a Captain Falcon clone, certainly in Brawl they slightly decloned him, but he was still a Captain Falcon Clone for the most part, with the major differentiation coming in his movement speed and damage characteristics. I personally would much rather have Ganondorf with a moveset that pays respect to his character elements from the LoZ franchise, not the character elements of an F-Zero Racer (of course, Falcon's moveset was completely made from scratch because he canonically is never out of his vehicle, but the point stands).

Furthermore, while I frown upon such hostility from some of my fellow Ridley Supporters, it should be noted that the subjects of Ridley's "lack of potential" and "size issues" have become incredibly sensitive subjects to the majority of us because of the absolutely ridiculous amount of ridicule we have received for supporting him.

I'll be upfront about it, this fanbase has some mean and nasty people, but at the same time, that is at least partially because we have had, for a long time, the nastiest of all detractor bases for any character. What other fanbase is there that has such strong detraction that they have actually created a term for said detractors? [Toobigots] (Yes, not all Ridley detractors are against him from the size standpoint, but a good number of them are).

After such continued (and sometimes, extremely harsh) hostility, it's not very extreme to think that the base that endures said hostility will eventually become hostile in response.

Not many people (myself included, admittedly) are able to simply "turn the other cheek" and let such hostility/abrasive detraction fall on us without having some hostile response in return, which is why we have garnered such a reputation as "bullies" to some.

So many times have we been met with this hostile detraction that a hostile response in return has, for most people, become the norm to the point that we will respond hostilely to even a "peaceful" detractor.

In short, Hostility breeds Hostility, and some of us have been dealing with this detraction for so long that this Hostility is all we know.

I apologize if you or other detractors feel that we are "bullying" you by shooting down your opinions and such. But at the same time, such adamant and (potentially) hostile detraction (as it most often is) will be met with adamant and (possibly) hostile responses, that's just how severe this entire thing has become.

Thank you! That is perfect!

I don't care about being "bullied", in actuality. Others were laughing off how Ridley supporters could possibly be seen as aggressive or bullies and I pointed out a time it happened to me. The response on the last page was essentially, well you deserved for being an idiot'. I know not all Ridley fans are like that, but unfortunately people don't see your (meaning YOU!) calm collected side first always.

 

[Smash_Handle69]

i think u might be overreacting to the replies lol

I think everyone is overreacting. This has turned absolutely ridiculous. Does it actually matter if he supports or not? I mean, if someone's willing to engage in civil conversation, and acknowledge our side, then does it really matter whether he's a detractor or not? Honestly, it's absolutely absurd to think that a defining factor of whether we should verbally harass or laud someone is whether they believe that a character will be playable in a video game that hasn't even come out yet, and that there's not enough evidence to prove whether he's really playable or a boss. Look, I don't want this to turn into some sort of ridiculous Inquisition against people who don't believe in the almighty Ridley.

 

[RidleyDX]

In a discussion completely different from the one we're having? So you can't respond to what I'm saying with civility because you don't like something I said 3 months ago?

Well what I was getting at was that your idea of bulling is warped, every time you post here its usually in disagreement of Ridley being playable, everyone here has one thing in common, they want Ridley playable, so they disagree with you. That's not bulling.

I tell you what being bullied is, saying I want Ridley in Smash in any given forum or place and nine times out of ten being called ********, stupid, or being called a Ridley f*g for wanting a character in a video game.

And my second post was a response to your question, since you still think the same, I think my point still stands.

 

[Naglfarii]

Oh my god I just got the toobigots thing

 

[SchAlternate]

This has officially turned into a mess. Oops.