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Meta Ridley has a weird chestplate, Omega Ridley has strange blue skin, and the normal Ridley as a neck as thick as a toothpick. And all of them look better than the beefy Other M design.
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Oh not the size thing again, there is no size argument, He is not too big. If a mediocre hacker can replace Charizard with Ridley, i am sure that the developer of the game can do it.Ridley's size would definitely be an issue, I feel ilke he should just stay as a boss character. But on the other hand, Rundus from Prime 3 would be a pretty cool addition. His theme is epic also.
Not a fan of Metroid, I see...Ridley's size would definitely be an issue, I feel ilke he should just stay as a boss character. But on the other hand, Rundus from Prime 3 would be a pretty cool addition. His theme is epic also.
Brawl was only a small dip in overall quality, but Sakamoto basically put Metroid on life support. He's a terrible writer and ruined Samus as a character, along with being responsible for the awkward wiimote only gameplay.I can't take this seriously, as it sounds an awful lot like the people that say Brawl sucks and that if Nintendo had any sense they wouldn't let Sakurai touch Smash Bros. again.
How is that remotely objective?Giantbreadbug said:But Sakamoto did a fine job with Other M, objectively.
Perhaps objective wasn't the word. Maybe I meant that anyone who isn't a whiny baby whose opinions are as fragile as a herniated old man could find Other M enjoyable.How is that remotely objective?
Yeah, it's cool. I know what you meant.I was also stating that Other M came after Brawl, so sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was saying Prime 3 came out after Brawl (even though it did in Japan).
If it is then I think Ridley might have less chance of being playable, and then Sakurai may just do the same thing with him in SSB4 as what he did in Brawl, except maybe having the Omega Ridley form as a boss as well.That would be vile. Hopefully Other M will be overlooked on account of its reception.
The fans pretty much brought that on themselves though.There is a reason there hasn't been anything for Metroid's 25th birthday.
Implying Super Metroid, Fusion, Zero Mission, etc. (which Sakamoto made) aren't good games? *starts cracking knuckles*I wonder what he'd do if you just looked him in the face and said "You're no Miyamoto." And walked away.
Oh, what about something like "the only -moto people will remember is Miyamoto. Do you know why. BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A GOOD GAME."
Aside from being Meta-Ridley's weak spot (in the 1st Prime at least), I think the circle thing on his chest was what he fired his missiles out of, and Omega having the blue skin was obviously from Phazon. As for the last part that's your opinion. Some parts of Other M Ridley such as the wings I like better than most other versions of the character.Meta Ridley has a weird chestplate, Omega Ridley has strange blue skin, and the normal Ridley as a neck as thick as a toothpick. And all of them look better than the beefy Other M design.
Yeah, it's things like this that really piss me off; when people hate on developers for one game that isn't on the same level as the others in the series, despite that same developer making games that are.Implying Super Metroid, Fusion, Zero Mission, etc. (which Sakamoto made) aren't good games? *starts cracking knuckles*
Why not refer to my size comparison images that I posted a couple pages back.Ridley's size would definitely be an issue, I feel ilke he should just stay as a boss character. But on the other hand, Rundus from Prime 3 would be a pretty cool addition. His theme is epic also.
Brawl and Other M use the same model format, so it's possible. However, I don't own Other M, and even if I did, I've heard that the ISO contents are quite messy.Just as a curiosity, are you able to port Other M's model so we can compare Boss Ridley to Other M Ridley in terms of size?
In that case, you could use the Samus model of Other M and size it down to Brawl's Samus's size to... get your bearings? Set a standard? Oh, but you'd have to resize both Other M Samus and Ridley at the same time.Brawl and Other M use the same model format, so it's possible. However, I don't own Other M, and even if I did, I've heard that the ISO contents are quite messy.
Also, you must keep note that certain models may look bigger or smaller than the size default that Brawl uses; for example, the Mario Kart Wii models are very big, while the Kirby's Return to Dream Land models are very small.
Again, I don't have Other M, so that's something that I won't be able to accomplish.In that case, you could use the Samus model of Other M and size it down to Brawl's Samus's size to... get your bearings? Set a standard? Oh, but you'd have to resize both Other M Samus and Ridley at the same time.
BY THE WAY, I finally added a couple of your size comparison things to the first post.
I would say that Brawl was a dip in quality after Melee. The roster is unbalanced, everything is slower and floatier, there's random tripping, and there was a loss of focus with Subspace Emissary, which wasn't worth playing more than once.Perhaps objective wasn't the word. Maybe I meant that anyone who isn't a whiny baby whose opinions are as fragile as a herniated old man could find Other M enjoyable.
And tee hee to imply that Brawl was a "dip in quality" and that Sakamoto ruined Metroid. I'm sorry you didn't love it, really I am.
Having emotions doesn't mean she needs to be an overly submissive emotionally fragile wreck with maternal feelings for an alien parasite. And the manga is bad, but at least has the excuse that Samus is still really young. Then after fighting Ridley half a dozen times she has an emotional breakdown.Samus needing to have things authorized is dumb.
Samus having emotions like a person (also like the manga, a very reputed source of Metroid story business) is not dumb.
Also Ridley actually looks like a monster in Other M.
Super Metroid had those feelings too.Having emotions doesn't mean she needs to be an overly submissive emotionally fragile wreck with maternal feelings for an alien parasite. And the manga is bad, but at least has the excuse that Samus is still really young. Then after fighting Ridley half a dozen times she has an emotional breakdown.
But she is downright heartbroken over it. Sure, she should be grateful for it saving her life, as she says in Fusion, but referring to it exclusively as "The Baby" and her deep sadness over its death is weird.Super Metroid had those feelings too.
And logically, if an infant creature took to you as a maternal or paternal unit, even going as far as giving it's own life to save yours, would you not have those maternal/paternal feelings for it? If not, you'd have to be pretty damn cold-hearted.
In the manga she gets over her crippling fear of Ridley and leaves him for dead. She would think him to be dead after most of the times she fought him. In the manga she leaves him for dead in Norfair and then the pirate base explodes. She should've thought him to be dead again when (as Omega Ridley) he seems to explode like the other Leviathan guardians. And then she thought him dead again in Super after destroying Zebes. But then, after apparently cheating death for at least the third time and after defeating him several times over she has a mental breakdown and is paralyzed with fear. And she should've expected Ridley to be there, considering a bunch of her previous foes have been cloned on the bottle ship and she's attacked by a purple lizard that shed its skin before with Ridley's face and tail, and then sees that is shed its skin again.And you don't understand how PTSD works. One does not simply "get over it" after experiencing the fear so many times. War Veterans can and will freak out if they hear sounds or see sights that remind them of the war. Especially if those memories were downright disturbing. Same issue here. In Other M, she attributed Ridley's unexpected appearance to her memories of him killing her mother and father.
And by this time, Ridley was presumed to be dead for good at the end of Super Metroid. (Primes take place prior to Super Metroid). So think of it this way, if the murderer of your family appears right before you again after his apparent death, would you not freak out either? Worse if you have PTSD and his murdering of your family was the trigger.
Dooon't bring your Sass to my thread, paaanties.Welcome to the Ridley support thread for the game SSB4.
You can start talking about Metroid : Other M.
All her old enemies are there, the supposedly dead metroids are there, even a half copy of Mother Brain is there, and she is suprised that the Harry Houdini equalivent of all bosses is still alive? He has died like 12 times, and come back to attack again, so when he comes back again she is suprised?In the manga she gets over her crippling fear of Ridley and leaves him for dead. She would think him to be dead after most of the times she fought him. In the manga she leaves him for dead in Norfair and then the pirate base explodes. She should've thought him to be dead again when (as Omega Ridley) he seems to explode like the other Leviathan guardians. And then she thought him dead again in Super after destroying Zebes. But then, after apparently cheating death for at least the third time and after defeating him several times over she has a mental breakdown and is paralyzed with fear. And she should've expected Ridley to be there, considering a bunch of her previous foes have been cloned on the bottle ship and she's attacked by a purple lizard that shed its skin before with Ridley's face and tail, and then sees that is shed its skin again.
And later in the manga she gets over her fear and all but kills him in anger.In the manga, Ridley triggers anger from her by making remarks that he ate her dead parent's bodies.
But the mere sight of him made her paralyzed in fear until that point, which is really stupid.Likewise, in Other M, he triggers anger which makes her snap out of her PTSD when she though he killed Anthony.
As we see in Zero Mission, Samus has a shocked expression when Ridley appears,
How does that cancel it out? And she would still think him dead, not familiar with his cheating death.so that cancels out the "left for dead" thing from the manga, as she visibly shows expression of fear.
Zero Mission took a lot of liberties with the first Metroid, and it did have its fair share of cutscenes compared to Super.However, nothing came out from her PTSD likely because it didn't happen in the original Metroid, which Zero Mission is a remake of, and because having her randomly do that in a game with limited cutscenes would be awkward.
Or she enters the room, sees Meta Ridley, expects him to attack, but he instead escapes, and then she makes the "darn it" gesture with her arm. There was no indication of fear when you see her face.Then there's Meta Ridley, which was after she "left him for dead" in Zero Mission. When we first encounter him, Samus freezes up while aiming her cannon at him. Why doesn't she just shoot him? Because she freezes up, this allows Ridley to escape.
Fair enough.Although, why she has no problem later, probably because she was upset with herself for letting him escape in the first place, and actually goes after him to try to finish him.
After his defeat in the game, Samus actually looks to see if Ridley did in fact, die. With no sign of him, it was likely to assume that he was still alive and would cross paths with her again.
There's nothing special about the Prime 3 fight with Meta Ridley. Shooting in his mouth seemed like a cinematic finisher and a reference to his mouth being his weak point.This happened in Prime 3, where he repeatedly tried to kill her while she was trying to reach the final generator on Norion while in Morph Ball form. Then shortly after, tries to attack her head on. Samus, rather than freezing up actually tried shooting at him a few times, most attributed to a "this ends now" mindset. This is supported by her finishing move by shooting down his throat.
That hardly proves her to be afraid.Then came Omega Ridley. Samus doesn't freeze up here, but we do tell she's afraid, as she was trying to stay away from him until she noticed the weakspot.
Considering the fate of the other Leviathan guardians and the implication he is doing the same thing Samus could have thought him dead.As for his "death" here, I'm not sure that it's safe to say he died. We don't actually see him being disintegrated, only him wrapping his wings around himself and sinking to the ground. It could very well be that the Phazon exploded out of him and left him in a weakened organic state for the Space Pirates to revive.
The space pirates raiding K-2L was established in Super Metroid tie-in material. But I think those are non-canon now, but you get the idea.This is further supported by Super Metroid, as he comes back in a fully organic body. Also, being that the game was made prior to the backstory of him killing Samus' parents was released (the e-manga came alongside Zero Mission), there is no sense of fear within Samus. In this case, though, actually being on a planet when it explodes makes it unlikely to survive. Other M actually confirms the explosion on Zebes was Ridley's first true death.
She already thought him dead several times over, fought him several times and won, and knew that there were a load of her enemies on the bottle ship. So no, it is not logical.Which brings us back to Other M. While before, Ridley was only "left for dead" and it turned out that he survived through some means, prior to Other M, Ridley was deader than a doornail. So to see Ridley come out of nowhere after he was supposed to have been dead for good is logical for her to react the way she did.
They couldn't because they didn't? Other M was poorly written. It shouldn't have been that surprising.And no, she couldn't have just assumed Ridley had been cloned, as no one even knew he WAS until it was too late.
It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination.No one knew some of Ridley's DNA was on Samus' armor alongside the Metroid DNA from the dead Baby.
The Other M commercial with the flashback has Ridley looking just the same. artistic license and all that. The purple lizard looked like Ridley and had Ridley's exact tail, and then she sees it had shed its skin again.As for Ridley's face and tail, Ridley has gone a number of faces and tails, so to assume that one creature that happens to bear a similar appearance to Ridley is actually Ridley is just a blind shot in the dark. And being purple doesn't matter, as Ridley changes colors as well. In fact, with the original Metroid being non-canon with Zero Mission taking over, Ridley had never been purple prior to Other M. With the exception of Meta Ridley, but that purple is hard to tell, and may only be in Brawl.
He appears to die several times.How do you KNOW she thought he was dead several times over?
A never said I knew, but you asserted she froze up in fear. She doesn't have a fearful expression and if anything seems angry.And also, how do you KNOW she was expecting him to attack in Prime 1?
Reason? Other M contradicts the other Metroid games and is an all around poorly written game.But whatever, seems I'm going to get anywhere with this. You seem to be too clouded with hatred over Other M to listen to reason.
The article writer states that Samus fought Ridley twice and thought him dead once before the events of Other M. That is incorrect. She had fought Ridley at least 6 times beforehand and beat him on every occasion. Her constantly facing the source of her PTSD dollowed by the complete u-turn from her usual response is jarring.Also, as I said before, one does not simply "get over" PTSD. Perhaps temporarily, but it will always come back to bite you in the *** later on. No matter HOW MANY times you have to deal with what causes it in the first place.
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/81909/ptsd-or-weakness-real-experts-on-why-samus-didnt-shoot/
I thought Ridley's head was a bit too big for his body in Brawl. His dash could be a fast crawl on all fours with his tail tucked back to decrease his length. He doesn't have to have Charizard's dash.not that i have played Other M or follow the manga, but at that point in the storyline, Samus had fought Ridley only a few times right? and i would think that the PTSD would keep her in fear at even the thought of a giant purple monster that killed her parents.
Anyway, my only concern with Ridley in smash bros (because size has been shown irrelevant) is his movement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvWCMZ4s60
in that video, it seems to me that he takes up a good portion of Final Destination when he moves. Hopefully there would be a way to change his dash animation. not that it really matters to me, i'd love him in the game regardless. what do you guys think?
EDIT: take what i say with a grain of salt as far as metroid goes. i dont really know where Other M takes place throughout the games and such, whether its after the Prime series or whatever
Doesn't mean anything. Not everything is as it appears. Paying attention to the manga, Ridley states that he eats dead carcasses to heal himself.He appears to die several times.
Ah, but I didn't. I merely said she froze up and I questioned it.A never said I knew, but you asserted she froze up in fear. She doesn't have a fearful expression and if anything seems angry.
Poorly written, I agree with. However, I fail to see any contradictions other than "Oh, but Samus fought Ridley hundreds of times before, she shouldn't be afraid of him now", which is perfectly reasonable given that while Samus has defeated Ridley, she had failed to kill him until Super Metroid, where the destruction of Zebes ended him for real.Reason? Other M contradicts the other Metroid games and is an all around poorly written game.
Not if you factor in the points I have said above.The article writer states that Samus fought Ridley twice and thought him dead once before the events of Other M. That is incorrect. She had fought Ridley at least 6 times beforehand and beat him on every occasion. Her constantly facing the source of her PTSD dollowed by the complete u-turn from her usual response is jarring.
The manga that Other M outright contradicts outside of Ridley killing Samus' parents and Adam being a Commanding Officer. Ridley could believably be dead after Zero Mission and Prime 3, but for whatever reason he survives both. Even with his regeneration ability, its seems like something he wouldn't survive.Doesn't mean anything. Not everything is as it appears. Paying attention to the manga, Ridley states that he eats dead carcasses to heal himself.
So even in "apparent death", you still have to factor in as long as there are dead bodies to eat, Ridley will come back.
It's simple logic really.
Manga to Zero Mission: Eats dead carcasses to heal.
Zero Mission to Prime: Eats as much as he can to survive, then is mechanically enhanced by the Space Pirates.
Prime to Prime 3: Phazon influence.
Prime 3 to Super Metroid: Stripped from mechanical enhancements when Phazon was forced out of him. Eats dead carcasses to heal.
Post Super Metroid: Dead. Body was completely destroyed in Zebes' explosion.
Other M: Cloned unintentionally from DNA found on Samus' armor. Killed by Queen Metroid feasting on his fluids.
Fusion: Carcass of cloned Ridley is absorbed by an X-Parasite, turning said parasite into Neo Ridley. Parasite is destroyed by Samus.
Well regardless, it doesn't really imply an episode of PTSD.Ah, but I didn't. I merely said she froze up and I questioned it.
You must be confusing that with what I said about Zero Mission.
We're talking about Prime 1 here, you know. It's what you quoted me talking about.
She only assumes this. There are plenty of space pirates around that could ship him off Zebes before it blows up.Poorly written, I agree with. However, I fail to see any contradictions other than "Oh, but Samus fought Ridley hundreds of times before, she shouldn't be afraid of him now", which is perfectly reasonable given that while Samus has defeated Ridley, she had failed to kill him until Super Metroid, where the destruction of Zebes ended him for real.
It was foolish to assume him dead at the end of Super. He frequently comes back from things that ought to have killed him, as Samus is well aware. The situation in Prime is very close to Other M's in that she would reasonably expect him to be dead, but at this point she had only fought him once before. She pauses for a few seconds as opposed to Other M where she is paralyzed with fear for 2 minutes.Follow the finally killing him part to him all of a sudden coming back out of nowhere with an (at the time of his appearance) unexplained reason.
Top that off with having PTSD, as well as the very creature that came back out of nowhere happens to be the one that killed your family while you were still a child.
Yeah, logic is there, whether you choose to accept it or not.
See above comments.If you must need more logic, think of it this way; she has more control over her PTSD prior to Other M, because she's well aware that Ridley is either or is still possibly out there given what he has said. She won't have closure until he's dead.
Then, he's dead. Samus no longer has to worry about seeing Ridley again, and all's fair in the world concerning that issue. Ridley is out of her mind.
But wait, here he is out of nowhere. But...it's impossible to survive a planetary explosion after being heavily weakened in combat! HOW IS HE STILL ALIVE? WHY WON'T HE DIE?! Memories of what Ridley did resurface from the back of her mind, as well as the thought that no matter what she does, she can never be rid of him.
THAT'S what makes her reaction beleiveable. Underneath that armor, Samus is still human.
That's the primary purpose of this thread, so I would encourage that you do cut off that argument in favor of discussing Ridley for Sm4sh, aside from the Other M debates being a lost cause at this point and all that.Not to cut off the Other M debate here, but i would much prefer discussing Ridley as a character in Sm4sh.