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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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Which one of you sneaky people made this.

It's like someone went through this thread and just posted their findings.
 
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A Villains Trailer? I already expected that anyway. I don't think it'll feature Ghirahim as I don't think Ghirahim is that likely at all, if it features any Villain Newcomer other than Ridley, it would be K. Rool.
 

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I'm quite impressed with the fight Ridley fans have put for this game, and am expecting some victory tears when he's revealed
 

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As for a Mother trailer, I can easily see a "Mother" trailer showing off the Mother characters with Isaac as a newcomer, due to the fact that Psynergy and PSI are very similar to one another. Doesn't make this newest leak any more reliable.


I don't buy it, guys, and I'm really annoyed that people keep trying to rely on leaks. "I know someone in Nintendo!" "Yeah, let's immediately buy everything this person says!"


-_-


It is nice that more and more fake leaks are popping up that believe Ridley is still playable, though.
 
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To be fair...I don't like the use of the Mexican stereotype (since I'm mexican myself....) but nah, is no big deal...

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"Happy now?"

xD Sorry....it is the best thing I could come up with....
I am Mexican too! :D I also kinda frown at the stereotype as well. Even though my mom made me wear a sombrero and poncho for Halloween last year aha
Though, I find myself loving this picture of yours regardless. owo Heck, I love all of the Ridley artwork I've seen from you.
 

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I am Mexican too! :D I also kinda frown at the stereotype as well. Even though my mom made me wear a sombrero and poncho for Halloween last year aha
Though, I find myself loving this picture of yours regardless. owo Heck, I love all of the Ridley artwork I've seen from you.
:D YAY! =u= Glad to know I'm not the only one.....digo, o sea, siempre que pones "mexicano" sale una persona con un sombrero y un poncho durmiendo sobre un cactus en el desierto.....xD y pienso, Ok. yo vivo literalmente en un desierto que es B.C......pero no duermo recargada sobre un cactus! y tampoco llevo el sombrero y el poncho! (y lo bueno es que no me gusta vestirme para halloween....solo los dulces xD).

Glad you liked Ridley my drawings! -u- and you also seemed to have fun when I got "mad" didn't you??? xD
 
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I think what they plan to do at comic con is reveal that Ness and maybe Lucas will come back to SSB4 considering that it's the Anniversary of Mother. And with that reveal they will also share the news that Mother and Mother 3 will be available for download considering that they were planned for NA release but never came. I believe Earthbound (Mother 2) is available for Wii U VC so far.

Edit: When I say reveal, I don't necessarily think it will be via trailer. Sakurai has revealed many veterans without trailers by just updating the site.
 
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-u- thanks glad you liked the quick doodle....and....

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"DON'T YOU DARE TO DO THAT...IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE....."
You probably don't know this concept of mine...it is my Catrin Ridley.....a version of Ridley based on a mexican tradition called "Day of the Dead" (Dia de Muertos), he can steal your soul....

-__- don't use him either...
How do you make these? They're pretty cool? That you make then so fast has me curious.

On topic, a villains trailer sounds unbelievably awesome
 

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:D YAY! =u= Glad to know I'm not the only one.....digo, o sea, siempre que pones "mexicano" sale una persona con un sombrero y un poncho durmiendo sobre un cactus en el desierto.....xD y pienso, Ok. yo vivo literalmente en un desierto que es B.C......pero no duermo recargada sobre un cactus! y tampoco llevo el sombrero y el poncho! (y lo bueno es que no me gusta vertirme para halloween....solo los dulces xD).

Glad you liked Ridley my drawings! -u- and you also seemed to have fun when I got "mad" didn't you??? xD
Heh, you know what's sad... I am so mediocre when it comes to our language, like, I usually understand most words, but have a hard time responding with words of my own. (I feel so shameful for that, my whole family practically comes from México and I instead learn to adopt English more than I did Spanish ;-; ) But yeah, that's one of those stereotypical things when people think of Mexicans, apparently, sombreros, ponchos, and the like. xD I'm all for the sweets on Halloween as well :3

I just love fan art, there's so many talented people like yourself out there and I wish I could be as good ;^; And heheh yeah, I find it amusing, and apparently others here do too xD
 
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Heh, you know what's sad... I am so mediocre when it comes to our language, like, I usually understand most words, but have a hard time responding with words of my own. (I feel so shameful for that, my whole family practically comes from México and I instead learn to adopt English more than I did Spanish ;-; ) But yeah, that's one of those stereotypical things when people think of Mexicans, apparently, sombreros, ponchos, and the like. xD I'm all for the sweets on Halloween as well :3

I just love fan art, there's so many talented people like yourself out there and I wish I could be as good ;^; And heheh yeah, I find it amusing, and apparently others here do too xD
-u- Awww...don't worry about that! it is good to know both languages! even if you use one more often than the other! Even if I come from a frontier like B.California...where english is something from everyday...I can't speak english perfectly yet! and personally, I prefer "el Dia de Muertos" than Halloween. -u- Oh yeah....el Pan de Muerto es lo mejor.

-u- Oh, I'm not that good! I just love to draw Rids and stuff too much! ;p It is fun!.....

Back to Rids! :D
 

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-u- Awww...don't worry about that! it is good to know both languages! even if you use one more often than the other! Even if I come from a frontier like B.California...where english is something from everyday...I can't speak english perfectly yet! and personally, I prefer "el Dia de Muertos" than Halloween. -u- Oh yeah....el Pan de Muerto es lo mejor.

-u- Oh, I'm not that good! I just love to draw Rids and stuff too much! ;p It is fun!.....

Back to Rids! :D
Well I just wish it came to me more naturally, as I usually find myself in an awkward position when talking to people like my grandparents, who only speak Spanish, eheh. ^^' And yeah, same here.

But you do them so well ;o; There's no need to be modest..!

And yeah, let's get back on topic before it gets outta hand xD (Though I'm headed to bed soon xP)
 

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As for a Mother trailer, I can easily see a "Mother" trailer showing off the Mother characters with Isaac as a newcomer, due to the fact that Psynergy and PSI are very similar to one another. Doesn't make this newest leak any more reliable.


I don't buy it, guys, and I'm really annoyed that people keep trying to rely on leaks. "I know someone in Nintendo!" "Yeah, let's immediately buy everything this person says!"


-_-


It is nice that more and more fake leaks are popping up that believe Ridley is still playable, though.
Gawd dang man, chill. I posted that saying "which one of you made this" jokingly, or did you not read that? I put no credence to the leak, may I have my head back now?
 

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I've been out of the loop for a while and am too lazy to check the previous pages. May you kind folk please enlighten me on the current goings-on with Ridley and his merry band of misfits?
 

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Well I just wish it came to me more naturally, as I usually find myself in an awkward position when talking to people like my grandparents, who only speak Spanish, eheh. ^^' And yeah, same here.

But you do them so well ;o; There's no need to be modest..!

And yeah, let's get back on topic before it gets outta hand xD (Though I'm headed to bed soon xP)
-u- I know how that feels....

xD Thank you so much! again glad you like them! even if I have much yet to learn!

Um...Ok...Rids!
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I just find it funny how Omega Ridley lands on his butt....poor thing....
 

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Not a detractor (c'mon you've seen me around here) but:

Galaxy 2 - Due to absorbed Grand Star

NSBMU - Due to Kamek's magic (Unless you're referencing the regular Bowser, then yes.)

Sunshine - I don't know, never played it...
I'm actually aware of the canon explanations (except Sunshine, there was never an explanation for his size if I recall) but I ignored it because I did not believe it to be relevant to my main point, though maybe I should have taken it to consideration haha.

But speaking of canon, since Ridley has no documented canon size (that we are aware of), doesn't that make arguments that he can't be resized (whom often times cite canon for why he can't be resized, even though that same canon seems to ignore it entirely) even more arbitrary and fallacious?

Though with that said, I guess I can understand someone who came from playing Brawl or Metroid Prime 3 (elevator fight specifically) and would come to the conclusion that sizing Ridley smaller while still maintaining his proportions with Samus could prove a challenge. But after playing almost every Metroid game with Ridley in it, and seeing him go from small to large with no rhyme or reason I just can't see the issue (especially with his two most popular iterations, SM Ridley and Prime Ridley, only being slightly more then twice Samus size. Not much different from Mario and Bowser in the mainline games).

I doubt he will be that surprised as he has become more open to the notion over time.
He does seem to be less hostile toward the idea. Though I remember there was a post on Smashboards of him complaining about the amount of complaints and threats he gets because of the Ridley video. Despite his claims of just "trolling" or whatnot, the "hate" he may have received for his views on Ridley may have gotten to him a bit.

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Speaking of size, here's a pretty contentious question: What if Sakurai not only deconfirms Ridley but, like with Chrom, expressed he had trouble getting him to work as a playable character? Worse, even citing "his size" as one of the problems? What would you guys, as a community of Ridley supporters, do?

Me? I don't believe I would hold back my rage. I would probably (possibly even irrationally) not want Sakurai the developer of the next game. I don't agree with him much admittedly, but I still think he's a talented developer and think he's probably a swell (but quirky) dude despite my many, many, divergences with him. But after something like that? I would be as salty as the Dead Sea. :glare:
 

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I'm actually aware of the canon explanations (except Sunshine, there was never an explanation for his size if I recall) but I ignored it because I did not believe it to be relevant to my main point, though maybe I should have taken it to consideration haha.

But speaking of canon, since Ridley has no documented canon size (that we are aware of), doesn't that make arguments that he can't be resized (whom often times cite canon for why he can't be resized, even though that same canon seems to ignore it entirely) even more arbitrary and fallacious?

Though with that said, I guess I can understand someone who came from playing Brawl or Metroid Prime 3 (elevator fight specifically) and would come to the conclusion that sizing Ridley smaller while still maintaining his proportions with Samus could prove a challenge. But after playing almost every Metroid game with Ridley in it, and seeing him go from small to large with no rhyme or reason I just can't see the issue (especially with his two most popular iterations, SM Ridley and Prime Ridley, only being slightly more then twice Samus size. Not much different from Mario and Bowser in the mainline games).


He does seem to be less hostile toward the idea. Though I remember there was a post on Smashboards of him complaining about the amount of complaints and threats he gets because of the Ridley video. Despite his claims of just "trolling" or whatnot, the "hate" he may have received for his views on Ridley may have gotten to him a bit.

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Speaking of size, here's a pretty contentious question: What if Sakurai not only deconfirms Ridley but, like with Chrom, expressed he had trouble getting him to work as a playable character? Worse, even citing "his size" as one of the problems? What would you guys, as a community of Ridley supporters, do?

Me? I don't believe I would hold back my rage. I would probably (possibly even irrationally) not want Sakurai the developer of the next game. I don't agree with him much admittedly, but I still think he's a talented developer and think he's probably a swell (but quirky) dude despite my many, many, divergences with him. But after something like that? I would be as salty as the Dead Sea. :glare:
As a Ridley supporter, I would not be afraid to call Sakurai blatantly incompetent as a game-developer. However, my faith in Ridley as a playable character in the Smash series would remain. I would advocate for Ridley in Smash 5 where; presumably, a new and more productive creative director, a creative director with something to lose, will be in charge.
 

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I'm actually aware of the canon explanations (except Sunshine, there was never an explanation for his size if I recall) but I ignored it because I did not believe it to be relevant to my main point, though maybe I should have taken it to consideration haha.

But speaking of canon, since Ridley has no documented canon size (that we are aware of), doesn't that make arguments that he can't be resized (whom often times cite canon for why he can't be resized, even though that same canon seems to ignore it entirely) even more arbitrary and fallacious?

Though with that said, I guess I can understand someone who came from playing Brawl or Metroid Prime 3 (elevator fight specifically) and would come to the conclusion that sizing Ridley smaller while still maintaining his proportions with Samus could prove a challenge. But after playing almost every Metroid game with Ridley in it, and seeing him go from small to large with no rhyme or reason I just can't see the issue (especially with his two most popular iterations, SM Ridley and Prime Ridley, only being slightly more then twice Samus size. Not much different from Mario and Bowser in the mainline games).


He does seem to be less hostile toward the idea. Though I remember there was a post on Smashboards of him complaining about the amount of complaints and threats he gets because of the Ridley video. Despite his claims of just "trolling" or whatnot, the "hate" he may have received for his views on Ridley may have gotten to him a bit.

-------------------------

Speaking of size, here's a pretty contentious question: What if Sakurai not only deconfirms Ridley but, like with Chrom, expressed he had trouble getting him to work as a playable character? Worse, even citing "his size" as one of the problems? What would you guys, as a community of Ridley supporters, do?

Me? I don't believe I would hold back my rage. I would probably (possibly even irrationally) not want Sakurai the developer of the next game. I don't agree with him much admittedly, but I still think he's a talented developer and think he's probably a swell (but quirky) dude despite my many, many, divergences with him. But after something like that? I would be as salty as the Dead Sea. :glare:
The salt would be very real for me as well.
 

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...Speaking of size, here's a pretty contentious question: What if Sakurai not only deconfirms Ridley but, like with Chrom, expressed he had trouble getting him to work as a playable character? Worse, even citing "his size" as one of the problems? What would you guys, as a community of Ridley supporters, do?

Me? I don't believe I would hold back my rage. I would probably (possibly even irrationally) not want Sakurai the developer of the next game. I don't agree with him much admittedly, but I still think he's a talented developer and think he's probably a swell (but quirky) dude despite my many, many, divergences with him. But after something like that? I would be as salty as the Dead Sea. :glare:
A lot of Sakurai's design points I disagree on too admittedly. Like not being able to use Miis against rando's in wifi? Wat, so Mario Kart is allowed but not a friggin party game designed around absurd character match ups?! But in the end, if not for the mindset he has, Smash wouldn't quite be the game it is.

If Sakurai deems Ridley unsuitable, no matter how silly I may find the reason, it's still just one character in and entire game I'm looking forward to. The biggest hype for this game comes not from a potential Ridley pick, but from just good 'ol smash bros gameplay. Sure a large part is the character selection, but if I can still boot up Smash Bros Brawl with a friend or two and still get genuinely excited to play without Ridley even being a thought, then who am I to suddenly call Sakurai a heretic or what have you? It'll certainly be a kick to the gonads, but nothing for me to deny my enjoyment of the game over.
 
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Here's some screenshot comparisons...



We can see that Bowser easily fits within the center of the platforms.


He occupies a space which is roughly equal to one of the quarters of the central circle.


A space which is much smaller than the shadow of Ridley as depicted in the trailer. Keep in mind that the main light-source in this stage is quite high up, so shadow vs. actual size is not very distorted.

Another thing I noticed is that Ridley appears to be travelling across a different axis compared to Pikachu in the trailer, he would be on the same axis if he were playable, this could simply be due to the off-center nature of the light-source, although we catch a glimpse of Ridley's wing spike above the player axis, which means the center of his body is behind it.
 
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Here's some screenshot comparisons...



We can see that Bowser easily fits within the center of the platforms.


He occupies a space which is roughly equal to one of the quarters of the central circle.


A space which is much smaller than the shadow of Ridley as depicted in the trailer. Keep in mind that the main light-source in this stage is quite high up, so shadow vs. actual size is not very distorted.

Another thing I noticed is that Ridley appears to be travelling across a different axis compared to Pikachu in the trailer, he would be on the same axis if he were playable, this could simply be due to the off-center nature of the light-source, although we catch a glimpse of Ridley's wing spike above the center axis, which means the center of his body is behind it.
The higher a character is, the further back shadows go. Also, ignore Ridley's wings, look at his body. His body is incredibly small. Ridley's wings make him look larger, but that doesn't change how small he is. He barely takes up any room at all. You keep using Ridley's WINGS to judge how much room he takes up, which isn't the case at all.

And when he's on the ground, he'd be on all fours, so he's crouched over. Even in this pick, with his legs hanging down, he's still short. Not much taller than Bowser at all.
 

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The higher a character is, the further back shadows go. Also, ignore Ridley's wings, look at his body. His body is incredibly small. Ridley's wings make him look larger, but that doesn't change how small he is. He barely takes up any room at all. You keep using Ridley's WINGS to judge how much room he takes up, which isn't the case at all.

And when he's on the ground, he'd be on all fours, so he's crouched over. Even in this pick, with his legs hanging down, he's still short. Not much taller than Bowser at all.
The denial is real.

By the way, you just said his legs are hanging down (obviously), you can't use the leg shadow as a height comparison.
 
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Here's some screenshot comparisons...



We can see that Bowser easily fits within the center of the platforms.


He occupies a space which is roughly equal to one of the quarters of the central circle.


A space which is much smaller than the shadow of Ridley as depicted in the trailer. Keep in mind that the main light-source in this stage is quite high up, so shadow vs. actual size is not very distorted.

Another thing I noticed is that Ridley appears to be travelling across a different axis compared to Pikachu in the trailer, he would be on the same axis if he were playable, this could simply be due to the off-center nature of the light-source, although we catch a glimpse of Ridley's wing spike above the player axis, which means the center of his body is behind it.
Not an accurate comparison. The early Pyrosphere screenshots we have received have different lighting then the latter ones (You literally used two that have different lighting physics, one that goes towards the camera and one that goes into the foreground.

And that's his tail. Not his wing spike. Meaning he's exactly over the player axis.
 
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The denial is real.

By the way, you just said his legs are hanging down (obviously), you can't use the leg shadow as a height comparison.
The stupidity is real.

His legs hanging down means he would be even smaller then you think. Everything JaidynReiman is true. Your just being either a troll or a jerk.
 

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Not an accurate comparison. The early Pyrosphere screenshots we have received have different lighting then the latter ones (You literally used two that have different lighting physics, one that goes towards the camera and one that goes into the foreground.

And that's his tail. Not his wing spike. Meaning he's exactly over the player axis.
My mistake, that could be his tail, ignore the axis thing then. Either way, that does not invalidate the size comparison with Bowser.

I suspect the 'different light physics' thing is just pure assumption, when was this ever clarified?
 
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My mistake, that could be his tail, ignore the axis thing then. Either way, that does not invalidate the size comparison with Bowser.

Also, I suspect the 'different light physics' thing is just pure assumption, when was this ever clarified?
The lighting physics in the Smash Bros. Direct go into the background, and when characters are in the air, the shadow goes further back into the background. I even saw footage of Bowser on Battlefield jumping and his shadow when literally right off the battlefield as he jumped. Fine, I'll see if I can find the footage, but I know I saw it.
 

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The lighting physics in the Smash Bros. Direct go into the background, and when characters are in the air, the shadow goes further back into the background. I even saw footage of Bowser on Battlefield jumping and his shadow when literally right off the battlefield as he jumped. Fine, I'll see if I can find the footage, but I know I saw it.
Do you not understand that different stages use different lighting?
 

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Huh. This was a pretty good day for the Ridle-

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Oh. So, *ahem*, I am now a delusional fool, eyes deep in Denial River, because I do not bow to the wisdom of my betters and cast the hated and wrong "Ridley" from my expectations for Smash 4's roster. I know this because the prophets of might and wisdom have battered my thick skull with such foolproof evidence that, to the layperson, it resembles smug and self-satisfied conjecture, blatant disregard for evidence, and name calling. However, it is not these things, it is holy truth.
 

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My mistake, that could be his tail, ignore the axis thing then. Either way, that does not invalidate the size comparison with Bowser.

Also, I suspect the 'different light physics' thing is just pure assumption, when was this ever clarified?
Look at the two screenshots you posted. The second one, the first screenshot we ever got of the Pyrosphere, has the shadows going into the foreground. The last one has the shadows going into the background. I'm looking straight at it, I am pretty tired right now, but I'm pretty sure I'm not to the point where I'm hallucinating.

And even then your size comparison with Bowser takes Ridley's wings into account. If that were, say, Metaknight, he would appear twice the size he actually is, because his wings are as big as his body. However, wings can be folded up, we have more then enough examples of concept art showing how Ridley could work at the size he is in the Direct. (Which is close to half the size he was in Brawl)
 
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Do you not understand that different stages use different lighting?
http://youtu.be/zazoPkrOPvU?t=1m18s

RIGHT HERE.

When DK comes back onto the Pyrosphere, LOOK AT THE RIGHT PILLAR. You can clearly see DK's shadow coming down alongside the pillar, until he finally lands on the ground again and it slowly comes back into the central axis.


This proves that Ridley can easily just be high in the air, and his shadow is in the background a bit. I'm going to try and find some better footage.

EDIT: Even if the lighting changed at some point, this is the same lighting in the same build the Ridley footage was taken. Ridley's shadow looks bigger because he's got his wings (which makes him look much bigger) and its more zoomed in.
 
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Look at the two screenshots you posted. The second one, the first screenshot we ever got of the Pyrosphere, has the shadows going into the foreground. The last one has the shadows going into the background. I'm looking straight at it, I am pretty tired right now, but I'm pretty sure I'm not to the point where I'm hallucinating.

And even then your size comparison with Bowser takes Ridley's wings into account. If that were, say, Metaknight, he would appear twice the size he actually is, because his wings are as big as his body. However, wings can be folded up, we have more then enough examples of concept art showing how Ridley could work at the size he is in the Direct. (Which is close to half the size he was in Brawl)
I take it back, there are multiple visible spikes in the trailer, Ridley's tail only has one spike.

I'm not only referring to wing-span, if you take the perspective into account then you will notice that the shadow is far bigger than Bowser either way.

EDIT: ^ After reviewing the above footage, I now see that the final destination version of Pyrosphere may be smaller, so does Ridley's shadow appear on a larger or smaller stage? Difficult to tell.
 
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Huh. This was a pretty good day for the Ridle-

LarsINTJ

Oh. So, *ahem*, I am now a delusional fool, eyes deep in Denial River, because I do not bow to the wisdom of my betters and cast the hated and wrong "Ridley" from my expectations for Smash 4's roster. I know this because the prophets of might and wisdom have battered my thick skull with such foolproof evidence that, to the layperson, it resembles smug and self-satisfied conjecture, blatant disregard for evidence, and name calling. However, it is not these things, it is holy truth.
Guys, don't stoop to snarky/sarcastic responses. You're no better than the detractors if you attack every person with different opinions.
 
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