the reason why CAPCOM will chose another rep instead of Megaman

[Hyrule_mauri]

You bring up interesting points about what Capcom wants. It does seem logical for them to want to promote their big, upcoming titles. That is, afterall, probably what is most beneficial for them.

But it doesn't really matter what Capcom wants. Nintendo controls the roster (though, it is apprently subject to "beggers"). Capcom may ideally want an RE or SF rep, but if Nintendo met with them and said "We want Megaman", what do you think Capcom would've done? Haggled?

Sakurai thinks about characters he wants for Brawl—not companies he likes. If he or some other Nintendo representative met with Capcom, it's because they said "We want so-and-so (my guess would be Megaman, based on the fan response)", not "We want one of your characters, who would you recommend?" If Capcom would prefer to have some other character in, it doesn't matter if Nintendo doesn't want that character in.

Now, I'm no businessman, and I certainly won't pretend to know how Nintendo and Capcom specifically do business, nor how business would be conducted between the two companies specifically. But general logic tells me that if Nintendo asks Capcom for Megaman, Capcom's only possible answers are "yes" or "no". If Nintendo wanted other Capcom characters, they would've asked. And if they didn't want those other characters, then they didn't get in. That simple. It doesn't matter how much a character from SF may help out Capcom; if it's not what Nintendo wants, then it doesn't matter. They aren't in the business of making Capcom more money. They're going to ask for the character that the fans want, which seems to be Megaman.

you are right , you have suporter your argument whit logic, I think It will likelly be a matter of what terms both companies want, is nintendo ONLY wants megaman, then capcom will have him hin to not loose the oportunity but is nintendo is open the other characters is ovious that capcom would want a character form a big title.
but remeber that at this point megaman will have little impact on SSBB sales, but the character who is in will have a good inpact on the title sales

 

[RDK]

nah. at least hyrule is capaple of making a somewhat intelectual post. Lord hokage's utter stupidity is unmatched by all of mankind.

Have you ever heard of the_Sandman, Alphan00b, Luke Groundwalker, or Harry Supermix?

= stupidity.

And BTW, it daunts me that half of the SWF community cannot even make a decent topic title without spelling something incorrectly.

I'm probably not going to take the time to fight with this guy, since the argument seems to be in good hands so far.

 

[Hydde]

Before the Wii, Sonic games could be argued that they were low budget also. Sonic was in the same boat as Megaman. Why wouldn't Capcom add Megaman to revive his series?

The difference is that Sonic´s destiny was to face mario head to head someday...and now people wanted to see that fight for once and for all.

Mega has nothing to do with mario... but anyways read my previous post.

 

[Circus]

ok then why megaman games don't see well since 1994, megaman X5- X8 didn't sell well, MM8 and megaman & bass didn't sell at a RE, MGS or mario caliber either

more fans=more sales as you said....megaman is a NICHE seires nowadays...check the word niche in a dictionary

You're making the same mistake the people who were (for lack of a better term) anti-Sonic made—you're thinking of Megaman as a game, not a character.

It doesn't matter how well Megaman has done in terms of current sales. The fact remains that he is an iconic character and clearly has A LOT of fans. If he's in Brawl, he will likely reel in many Megaman fans, whether those fans even still play Megaman games or not. That's what Nintendo wants—to bring in players. Megaman, as a character, is a very good candidate for doing that.

 

[Johnknight1]

I will have to agree that RE has been selling alot lately, but Megaman is a FAR bigger capcom icon, plus it's been on multiple Nintendo icons which is part of Nintendo's history, as for your business point of view, WHO CARES? sure the newer megaman games may be crappy and lacking in sales, BUT Icon plus popularity is what will get megaman in Brawl

So what if it sales, more people want Megaman in Brawl-by far. RE lacks a single most important character, which is why we'll NEVER SEE CLOUD in BRAWL! He isn't the main character of the FF series-he's just the star of one of the 13 main games. Same with Resident Evil, and only two characters have starred two games I believe-Leon and Chris. And who is more reconizable? Leon, Chris, or Megaman, who is more reconizable, more desired, more popular, more of a icon (or actually a icon), and a much bigger character=??? OBVIOUSLY MEGAMAN! NINTENDO DOESN'T GIVE A F*** ABOUT ANYONE BUT THE BIGGEST, like Snake and Sonic. (Geno stars a Mario game, so he can sneak past and be cool like that)

@ Your Hero
You are retarted. Because Megaman obviously turns into a morph ball, double jumps, and has a zero suit. O, and *spoilers*

Spoiler

Megaman is totally a women.

EVER PLAYED A F**ING MEGAMAN GAME=???

 

[Lord Hokage]

WOW!! someone who actually dissagrees with Megaman, cool!! Megaman sux plus I believe resident Evil should be instead of him

 

[tirkaro]

The difference is that Sonic´s destiny was to face mario head to head someday...and now people wanted to see that fight for once and for all.

Mega has nothing to do with mario... but anyways read my previous post.

mario and sonic at the olympic games. going by this logic, sonic is completely unessacary, due to M&S@tOG.

WOW!! someone who actually dissagrees with Megaman, cool!! Megaman sux plus I believe resident Evil should be instead of him

HO SH-T! :O

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

WOW!! someone who actually dissagrees with Megaman, cool!! Megaman sux plus I believe resident Evil should be instead of him

Speed of the **** devil....

 

[RDK]

WOW!! someone who actually dissagrees with Megaman, cool!! Megaman sux plus I believe resident Evil should be instead of him

Speek of the **** devil....

That was fast. But expected, nonetheless.

 

[Hydde]

mario and sonic at the olympic games. going by this logic, sonic is completely unessacary, due to M&S@tOG.

mario and sonic at the olympics?... come on,,, if brawl doesnt existed i would take your words.... but sincerely.... what you want to see; mario and sonic running and jumping obstavles... or mario and sonic kickng the **** out of each other?.

The second response is the one.


And before anything,,, no one knew about that game until some months ago...whilñe everyone wanted sonic in smash.... since who knows when.


Smash is the deal,, Mario and sonnic at the.. etc.... not.

But dont get me wrong.... i would love to see him in brawl...good memories..

 

[tirkaro]

mario and sonic at the olympics?... come on,,, if brawl doesnt existed i would take your words.... but sincerely.... what you want to see; mario and sonic running and jumping obstavles... or mario and sonic kickng the **** out of each other?.

M&S has judo and fencing in it.

 

[Circus]

you are right , you have suporter your argument whit logic, I think It will likelly be a matter of what terms both companies want, is nintendo ONLY wants megaman, then capcom will have him hin to not loose the oportunity but is nintendo is open the other characters is ovious that capcom would want a character form a big title.
but remeber that at this point megaman will have little impact on SSBB sales, but the character who is in will have a good inpact on the title sales

I suppose it does depend on how open to suggestions Nintendo is. If Capcom were to reject their proposal for Megaman, they could offer some other character and say "take it or leave it". My thought would be that Nintendo would prefer to just walk away than bother with a character that probably wouldn't be as beneficial to Brawl's sales, but it's possible that they decided to do what they could with the options they were given (assuming this hypothetical meeting ever even took place).

I guess my main point is that Megaman seems to be the most obvious choice for Nintendo to go after and since Nintendo has the final decision on who goes on the character list, if one character comes from Capcom, Megaman seems most likely. Whether Megaman has good chances or not, I'd say he has the best when compared to most other Capcom characters Nintendo could choose from (or really, any other third parties in general).

 

[Johnknight1]

WOW!! someone who actually dissagrees with Megaman, cool!! Megaman sux plus I believe resident Evil should be instead of him

Just what we need-another sandman follower. Speaking of scrubs...

 

[Bowling Pin]

This thread is filled with 14 year olds.

Anyway, the crux of your argument is that the third party characters already included in the game (Solid Snake and Sonic the Hedgehog) hail from series that currently sell well. Unfortunately, Sonic the Hedgehog to date has sold less than 100,000 units (probably no more than 50-60k) in last year's 360 and PS3 outings, and Sonic Rush Adventure has thus far pushed around 5,000 units. Sonic is no longer a blockbuster franchise in gaming, yet he's in Brawl. The same can easily be said for Mega Man.

As for who benefits the most out of 3rd party characters showing up in Brawl? Everyone involved. 3rd parties gain exposure for their games, Nintendo's sales increase as the fanbase of a particular 3rd party game flocks to Brawl for their respective characters, and the fans get the chance to have their favorite characters beating the hell out of Ike. A win-win situation for all.

 

[Hydde]

lol is not the same and you know that.

 

[Lord Hokage]

WTF with the cats!! dude I say a RE character should get in instead, after all it's been selling more lately so yea, no Megaman in brawl

 

[Your Hero]

@ Your Hero
You are retarted. Because Megaman obviously turns into a morph ball, double jumps, and has a zero suit. O, and *spoilers*

Spoiler

Megaman is totally a women.

EVER PLAYED A F**ING MEGAMAN GAME=???

YES I AM ********!!!!!!
I never said that megaman turns into a morphball, double jumps (although he will like every other ssbb character) and has a zero-suit (although he has the blue suit). All I said was that he has the cannon. I don't know where you go the rest of it from.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yes i am ********.
I never said that megaman turns into a morphball, double jumps (although he will like every other ssbb character) and has a zero-suit (although he has the blue suit). All I said was that he has the cannon. I don't know where you go the rest of it from.

Samus didn't even get the charge until Super Metroid so it's more Megaman's thing than Samus'...Definetly NOT Samus' signature move

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Megaman will get in, no Capcom character has ever been as popular as him.

 

[Your Hero]

Samus didn't even get the charge until Super Metroid so it's more Megaman's thing than Samus'...Definetly NOT Samus' signature move

Lol ok whatever , Just meant to say from the ssb series, not from all the games lol. I said it was one of his signature characteristics of brawl, not on of his signature moves.

 

[Johnknight1]

Samus didn't even get the charge until Super Metroid so it's more Megaman's thing than Samus'...Definetly NOT Samus' signature move

Exactly. Megaman could run and charge, do slides, have rocket boosters in air (similar to Luigi's forward B, but faster, and probably better), etc.

Again, Megaman is a original character. Samus has some moves Mario uses, Shiek uses, etc. Ie: the dAirs are fairly similar (Fox, Falco, Luigi, Mario, Doc, Yoshi, Kirby; Captain Falcon, Ness, Ganondorf), while Samus and Shiek have the dAir of Falco, Mario, and Luigi, but as their uAir. In other words, many movesets are similar, so your point (not you Psycho, of course...for now! ) is completely off. For hims moveset, play any Megaman game, or you could play one of the Capcom vs. (Marvel; SNK) games! XD

 

[TheOfficialSonicFanboy]

Hey okay, scenario here:
Nintendo wants a character in brawl that is third party. They go ask the third party. The third party grants the rights for the character through a contract.
Done, that's it. If Capcom wants a character in, they'll approach Nintendo. While they have good relations, I think Nintendo would've made the first move for character/s they may want in THEIR game.
It's THEIR game. Can I emphasize that enough?
Now I'm going to read another not so spammy thread.

 

[iMichael]

I'd like to see Viewtiful Joe get in more than Megaman but that's just me...

Ryu? C'mon man get serious...Nintendo does not care about SF 4

Megaman has the best chance and I believe Super Smash Bros. is about Elite mascots fighting toe to toe...

Capcom:
Mascot = Megaman

Is Megaman elite? Yes he is

 

[Your Hero]

Exactly. Megaman could run and charge, do slides, have rocket boosters in air (similar to Luigi's forward B, but faster, and probably better), etc.

Again, Megaman is a original character. Samus has some moves Mario uses, Shiek uses, etc. Ie: the dAirs are fairly similar (Fox, Falco, Luigi, Mario, Doc, Yoshi, Kirby; Captain Falcon, Ness, Ganondorf), while Samus and Shiek have the dAir of Falco, Mario, and Luigi, but as their uAir. In other words, many movesets are similar, so your point (not you Psycho, of course...for now! ) is completely off. For hims moveset, play any Megaman game, or you could play one of the Capcom vs. (Marvel; SNK) games! XD

That was obviously towards me. I personally could care less if megamans in or not, it was just something I wanted to bring up.

 

[smashbot226]

*crosses fingers for viewtiful joe*

agreed. Him or possibly Okami. What??? She was Clover Studios as well!

 

[Enigma14]

I don't hate Mega or dislike him but reading the first post about Mega's sales is true. Snake has 1 last game for him. Sonic has crap games for him at the moment and hopefully they get better after the stupid olympics one.

IF Mega can get general interest for him if he is in Brawl, then lets hope that Megaman9 is original and not a same formula and same plot deal.

 

[Glinth]

yes I do...know about bussiness I'm a master in bussines administration BTW
having megaman in is just for the sake of nostalgia, brawl will sell the same whit or whitout megaman, and capcom will likelly prefer to add a character FROM A GAME THAT HAS POTENTIAL TO SELL MORE

I find that extremely hard to believe considering you can't even spell business right...
in fact, you spelled it wrong twice... in two different ways! At least be consistent
with your misspellings... also you can't spell with...

Brawl will sell with or without megaman, yes, but it would most likely sell more because
of him, and they could include starforce megaman perhaps to promote the starforce series...
Megaman does have the potential to sell more, and it still sells alot, hell, sonic was in and his
games have been on a steady decline, megamans games are actually doing GOOD!

You fail at the internet...

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

It would appear that Lord Hokage has an accomplice in failure...

 

[tirkaro]

yes. apparently, the thread creator just doesn't get it:

theres many good reasons why megs is deserving. he's a nintendo icon. he's more of a nintendo character than most 1st party characters on the roster right now. matter of fact, megaman (the classic version) has only had 2 games that are not on nintendo systems (not counting rereleases or appearances on systems that aren't competing anymore, like the SEGA mega drive) he's been with nintendo since the begining, as long as link, kirby, samus, etc. not to mention he's exremely popular, and was the second most requested 3rd party, until sonic was confirmed, and is now the most requested 3rd party.

you see, megaman is, no matter how you put in, a videogame ICON. if you ask any video game nerd(and I mean actual video game fan, not those modern PS3 fanboys or XBOX live f*gs) about the most iconic non-nintendo game character, only a few characters come to mind:

sonic and megaman. sometimes simon belmont or ryu hayabusa to a lesser extent. but I still think megaman is definetly the most iconic non-nintendo character there is. hes been around forever. heck, back then, I didn't even care what company these characters belonged to. back then, megaman, simon belmont, ryu hayabusa, etc, were just as "nintendo" as mario or link. and if any of them were the most popular, I'm certain that one would be megaman. just the classic series alone has 8 games, not counting the spinoffs. and the megaman series as a whole has over 100 games under its belt. thats really quite a feat.
not to mention plenty of people, including moi, have had plenty of good memories with megaman. really, need I say more? hes as video-gamey as video game characters get. heck, he is 20x more deserving to be in smash than sonic and snake combined! to not put him in the virual hall-of-fame that is smash brothers would be a complete mistake.

plus, Capcom loves adding megaman crossovers, proven by:

onimusha blade warriors
dead rising
Marvel vs Capcom
snk vs capcom chaos
NamcoXcapcom...

and so on

knowing megaman is wanted in brawl, you really think they wont take the oportunity? they know smash is big, and adding megaman is good for sales, and may lead to MM9, its all publicity, but adding big fan service in the process...

so basically, this is what I think of this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1VFhEb9gl0

 

[Blood Alpha]

Megaman is perfect for Brawl, why he hasn't been added is beyond me.

He's an icon and would work flawlessly with the game, there's no reason he shouldn't be in. Anyone doubting his greatness should go back and actually play the games, then you will see why he's a perfect fit.

 

[BubbleShield]

You could say that megaman is already in other fighting crossovers. So yeah, brawl does not need megaman. However, I highly believe brawl should have Rockman. *winkwink

dude megaman won't help smash sell....his own games barelly sell !!! clearly you have no knowlege of the state of the industry today

*coughsoniccough*

 

[Mini Mic]

But wait isn't there a new megaman out every week? So couldn't they promote which ever one comes out that week

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Methinks that tirkaro should provide Hyrule_mauri with a humourous comic...

 

[EricShiznit]

This rationality doesn't make any sense.


So Megaman is out because his sales are bad, yet you want to say they're going to use another character to boost sales?

If Megaman was in, obviously his sales would go up, and obviously Capcom would put out a better megaman game.
phail.

 

[Hyrule_mauri]

let me first begin this by very kindly saying:
ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!?????
you obviously dont know anything about what the hell you're talking about. first off, megaman is capcom's MASCOT! HIS F*CKING MASCOT!!! YOU DONT SEE KOJIMA PUTTING IN DJANGO INSTEAD OF SNAKE DO YOU? AND YOU DONT SEE SEGA PUTTING IN NiGHTS INSTEAD OF SONIC DO YOU!? HEY, NIGHTS HAS AN UPCOMING WII GAME, DOESN'T HE!!!!!???? SO WHY DIDN'T THEY PUT NiGHT'S INSTEAD OF SONIC!? I'LL TELL YOU WHY!!!!!! BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FAWKING ********, THATS WHY!!!!



which perfectly explains why megaman is the 20th best selling franchise of all time, while NONE other capcom franchise sells better.

listen, I'm usually civilized, and I normally dont go on outrages like this, but your utter ignorance makes me sick to my stomach. "his games hardly sell" MY (gutsman's) A$S!!!!! THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY EVEN THE FREAKIN BATTLE NETWORK GAMES MAKE THE TOP TEN SALES FOR WEEKS IN JAPAN?
NO! YOU CANT! GOOD, DAY

You can't compare magaman status to that of sonic and snake....yes they are all like the "mascots" of their companies, HOWEVER metal gear is Konamis most powerfull franchise, and Sonic is still SEGA's most powerfull franchise, but megama IS NOT CAPCOM's most powerfull franchise anymore!!

nop you are wronng the last megaman starsoildier was never in japan's top ten no megaman game has sold over a million copies in more than a dacade

yes megama is the 20th most selled of all time BUT IT DOSN"T SELL ANYMORE THAT WAS PAST TENSE

 

[xianfeng]

Megaman is an icon, at least the original is. No Capcom character will get in before Megaman I can 100% garuntee you this.

 

[bluebomber22]

Megaman is an icon, at least the original is. No Capcom character will get in before Megaman I can 100% garuntee you this.

QFT its as simple as this

 

[Tony_]

having a character in brawl is a great way to promote a game, everyone knows that, it was a great way to promote fire emblem, SEGA knows they will benefit from having sonic in, I can garantee you many people would wanna try a good sonic game once they play brawl.p

Sonic being in Brawl was due to fan reaction to an EGM article around the world. NOT to make a quick buck.

now if CAPCOM wants a character in, I think they would want a charcater from a big budget game to be in, such as a RE character so even more people will try unbrella cronicles or other RE games, or maybe ryu from SF now that SF IV is comming having him in brawl will make people curious to try SFIV

Again, you present the argument that Capcom only wants characters in for money. The same can be said of the retro characters.

now why do I think megaman has little chance??? easy most of the people who want megaman want him for the sake of nostalgia, his good days in the NES and SNES, however since MMX4 megaman games have gotten stale and sales have become really low, now all megaman games are low budget for a niche market....he just isn't at the level of mario and snake anymore....and for that reason CAPCOM will likelly want a character from a big budget game in, instead of getting megaman for the sake of nostalgia...unless a big budget megaman game was in the way to revive the franchise, the same way ninja gaiden did on the xbox

Yet Rockman is still well known all over the world. This argument fails hard and falls on its face. Also, quit trying to force the argument of big budget characters who have no chance.

is not nintendo who gets the most benefit, it's the third parties...

The only thing third parties can make is a small royalty from leasing the rights to Nintendo. Other than that, this blows two.

don't come saying capcom will like to promote megaman starforce 2 it is a low budget game, capcom dosn't ivest much in megaman games anymore cause they don't sell good, they are for a niche market only, megaman starforce never was on the top-10 sales spots in japan and just recived a 5.7 score on IGN and 6.0 on gamespot
capcom has killed the megaman franchise whit so many games in so little time....resident evil is capcoms best selling franchise on the other hand...and many peole are hyped about SFIV since there hasen't been a SF game in 10 years and it seems to be big budget

Starforce doesn't effect his chances, as Capcom was looking to expand on its popular EXE series (which in all seriousness is nearly a carbon copy of Dynasty Warriors with sprites, chips, and Rockman). Big budget doesn't have ANYTHING to affect Rockman's chances at all.

Resident Evil charcters have no chance because of a lack of a move set, and no, the toned down zombies don't count. Street Fighter characters would be broken for Brawl and the characters themselves are usually bigger than the actual Smash Bros sizes. Even Bowser.

SFIV can hype it's self all it wants as far as I am concerned. No one will really care about it. All I have heard from hype is "Cool. A new SF." Thats it. No fan-boy hype like we saw from Halo 3. No people jumping up and down like idiots screaming and hyping about it like its the second coming of Jesus.

 

[Shark X]

As much as I would prefer Megaman, I would also love Ryu. Up B as a spinning uppercut, Side B as his Hurricane spin kick, B as his Hidoken, Down B as his...ehh...

Screw the fact that he's in a fighting game. This is ANOTHER STYLE OF FIGHTING GAME.

But still, Megaman (and sadly RE characters) have a much better chance than poor neglected Ryu.

 

[Tony_]

As much as I would prefer Megaman, I would also love Ryu. Up B as a spinning uppercut, Side B as his Hurricane spin kick, B as his Hidoken, Down B as his...ehh...

Screw the fact that he's in a fighting game. This is ANOTHER STYLE OF FIGHTING GAME.

But still, Megaman (and sadly RE characters) have a much better chance than poor neglected Ryu.

Ryu would be broken for Brawl. Seriously there is no way to balance him and his size is VERY disproportionate to all the other fighters, because his in-game sprites are bigger than most Nintendo ones.