the pros of being a lonely climber

[Mr. Derp]

I could never figure out why I seemed to do better once nana was dead. then a few days ago I realized I was caring too much about nana's survival. so I began dash dancing and seperating myself from her all I wanted, and it worked out great some advantages are:

1) I do very quick back and forth dashdancing which keeps her in my general area so if I wavedash/jump she will still do it with me.

2) if she does get sperated she is only a short bit away but opponent will still target her and in most cases youre close enough to own them b4 they won her anyway

3)I only use her for the occasional squall hammer/ice block/nanapult desynchs (and even then the desynchs become more like mindgames)

4) being able to focus mostly on popo lends greatly to self preservation

thoughts?

 

[Lido-Gara]

JUganthestar: I cant login from my friends comp lol. I totally agree with you sometimes my lives last like 2 whole stocks by myself, while when i have Nana i end up getting my *** gimped off lol. However, having nana with you is still better then one IC because you lose the following.

Double smash which is POWER
Any kind of desynch nanacloud (dont know if its correct), NanaBlock chase, Nanaspike
Wobbling is Lost which is bad for the occasional IceClimber
People will get peace of mind when nana is gone

When i play IceClimbers, i end up pulling mindgames and nearly only mindgames when im alone by wavesmashing, wave feinting and such which end up making me win somehow.

so yeah i totally agree with you

 

[UltimateShinigami]

put it this way. my friends and I are into world of warcraft. When nana dies, they say i get Deathwish AND Recklessness in reference to how i play. if you don't get it, go to the WoW site or thottbot.com and see what those do

 

[N1c2k3]

No1 cares about a game that ***** your soul and destroys your chances of ever having sex. And they certainly won't take the time to go to some site and look up what they do. Keep it on topic. And no matter what ppl say, having 1 climber is NEVER better. Sure, you might play smarter, but every move you do is reduced in dmg/usefullness. But still, I say it's good to practice...

 

[DynamicDuo]

It could work for tactical mindgames.

 

[UltimateShinigami]

No1 cares about a game that ***** your soul and destroys your chances of ever having sex. And they certainly won't take the time to go to some site and look up what they do. Keep it on topic. And no matter what ppl say, having 1 climber is NEVER better. Sure, you might play smarter, but every move you do is reduced in dmg/usefullness. But still, I say it's good to practice...

you are so right. that's why i quit months ago. i just still like to talk about it, plus all my friends still play. I've been trying to save them for months. but sorry, i'll stay on topic from now on

but if you know what the moves do, you'd know i am actually staying on topic. What i'm trying to say is that my friends get more nervous when i'm alone than when i'm paired because i do gr8 damage and stuff they didnt think i could do alone

 

[Mr. Derp]

im not saying its better without her, im saying I like it alot using her as a distraction and stuff rather than remaining her constant companion

 

[Lixivium]

Is there any reason you can't just play smarter while Nana's still around? (Her stupidity notwithstanding)

 

[N1c2k3]

Don't think so...

 

[Mr. Derp]

I'm basically talking about a different way to play which works for me and doesent seem to punish nana all that much.

 

[_Phloat_]

Well, I seem to be a lot more evasive, because that shield grab is hard when nanna shields a little to late....

But My wavedashing Is a lot less intimidating to my friends when Im alone, there is less smoke....

My friend is a wavedash a phobe, because he cannot do it, and I like to wavesmash him....

He is not that good

 

[full_95]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, DEEERRRPPP. i love that episode. sorry to spam.

 

[choknater]

you shouldn't worry about using solo popo while nana's still alive. play your ice climbers as ice climbers, desynching too much is just bad. heck, desynching with anything other than a grab can get risky.

only worry about using him by himself when nana's already dead. like some of you have said, yes, you tend to survive and DI better when you're alone because you don't have to worry about saving her/recovering with her. popo has a horizontal recovery to rival Donkey Kong's, but he is more easily edgeguarded.

popo's dthrow trajectory is similar to sheik's, so he still has a lot of chain grab potential against a bunch of characters. his uair has a lot of defensive range, and his smashes still pack a punch, not %-wise but knockback-wise.

unfortunately, popo has almost no priority and terrible range/hitboxes besides wd smashes, wd grabs, and uair. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT UAIR. if you can stay under an opponent, they don't really have any great options to come down on your uair, not even peach or falco.

also, IMO, the only reason people say marth, fox, falcon, and ganon counter ice climbers is because they kill nana so easily. i guess one can consider popo kinda like a midtier, he's not terrible, but he can still play well. however, solo popo still has a lot of problems with peach and samus.

 

[DynamicDuo]

playing with both ic is like playing teams, but one against 2 kinda like a handicap. However when we talk about teams in general its more like 2vs3 but im trying to find a good ic player to partner with so it will be more like 2vs4 hahahaa

 

[UltimateShinigami]

playing with both ic is like playing teams, but one against 2 kinda like a handicap. However when we talk about teams in general its more like 2vs3 but im trying to find a good ic player to partner with so it will be more like 2vs4 hahahaa

PM me with your state. I could be your man

 

[mood4food77]

ICs suck in teams, they really to heavily on grab combo's to do well in teams, yes they deal a lot of damage and have great KO power, but they really to much on a grab to be really good in teams

 

[DynamicDuo]

i agree with ya there M4F, when i (a pro) team up with a noob against 2 good players we lose but still get them both down to their last stock (this was when nintendo world still had ssbm) but if i had another good player teamed up with i'd say we could be 2 stocking everybody.

UltimateShinigami im in NY.

 

[chu12ch]

I think that by having half of ur character gone, people tend to underestimate the power of the lone climber...

 

[Wilhelmsan]

It has everything to do with your opponent.

-Ice Climbers are impossible to space when together, but Popo all in his lonesome gets people thinking about that among other things.

-People are anxious to finally earn that KO, because the job is 1/2 done.

-A HUGE part of strategy for fighting Ice Climbers is isolating Nana and killing her. What do you do when you have to face the hammer-wielding angry boyfriend? I don't think most people know how to fight just Popo.

 

[LuCKy]

ics=own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ic=own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! either own so whats it matter?

 

[DynamicDuo]

I thought ic were brother & sister?

 

[UltimateShinigami]

not only are they brother and sister, they're TWIN brother and sister. idk wut that guy is smokin

 

[Battousai780]

not only are they brother and sister, they're TWIN brother and sister. idk wut that guy is smokin

Are you ********??? They are married.

 

[Spontaneous Spaz]

It could work for tactical mindgames.

the only sort of mind games possible are with nana... nanapult...blockchase...and many other desynch combos..

i always seem to do better with nana, and tend to suck it up with popo alone. This means, i get mostly all of my kills with the aid of nana. A climber alone is just half a climber, all ur skills do literaly half damage, and you have twice as much a chance of being grabbed and hit by projectiles, being nana isn't there to be a meat shield.

pros of one climber: you can dashdance successfully
-mindgames don't work as well with one climber as well as with 2 (ex: wavedashing back and forth, making no progress, enemy is doing same... all of a sudden, u dash towards him, pivot, make nana jump, u dash in for the kill. nana jumped distracting enemy)

2 ARE BETTER THAN1

 

[Wilhelmsan]

not only are they brother and sister, they're TWIN brother and sister. idk wut that guy is smokin

okay, you got me; I was higher than a kite when I wrote that, but it's still a valid statement.

killing the ******** cpu is one thing, killing the human is much more difficult.

 

[chu12ch]

the only sort of mind games possible are with nana... nanapult...blockchase...and many other desynch combos..

i always seem to do better with nana, and tend to suck it up with popo alone. This means, i get mostly all of my kills with the aid of nana. A climber alone is just half a climber, all ur skills do literaly half damage, and you have twice as much a chance of being grabbed and hit by projectiles, being nana isn't there to be a meat shield.

pros of one climber: you can dashdance successfully
-mindgames don't work as well with one climber as well as with 2 (ex: wavedashing back and forth, making no progress, enemy is doing same... all of a sudden, u dash towards him, pivot, make nana jump, u dash in for the kill. nana jumped distracting enemy)

2 ARE BETTER THAN1

Being 1 climber is a mindgame in itself... its like playing against a different character...

 

[Sock]

No1 cares about a game that ***** your soul and destroys your chances of ever having sex.

So true.


My vote is for two climbers being better than one!!

 

[B4tt1enet]

i always do better w/ 2 climbers than 1 but it makes me feel good when i pwn someone w/ one =]] and they get frustrated

 

[chu12ch]

im not saying that 1 is better than 2... its just that being by urself has its benefits...

 

[mathis4dorkz]

i think we are all forgetting the confidence boost of killing with only one climber

i know i feel proud and coinfident when i last a stock or two with only popo.

 

[DynamicDuo]

yeah nothing beats that feeling.