The Professor Layton for Smash Ultimate support thread! See OP for where to meet us next after the boards close. Thank you for all your support!

[Curious Villager]

Layton Warriors? I love myself Warriors games, but had never considered that... It'd be interesting to see them take on a medium wherein everyone would have to be more of a trick character, without any ordinary weapons involved at all. It'd also be interesting to see if they added any unique puzzle mechanics, like how Fire Emblem Warriors had the weapon triangle or how Dragon Quest Heroes had the tower defence elements... I'd be very down for it if it happened, if not also somewhat confused...

Both of those would be pretty hype choices for crossovers. I believe WarioWare has also had them in the past already, with the ocassional third-party game entering 9-Volt's selections? It'd definitely be cool to see a full crossover with it and something else though. It would also definitely work with Layton, given how puzzles and microgames could be fused together.

I would really really really like those localized for sure. Also just random things would be fun to see - as I mentioned before, I'm still not opposed to bringing Layton's version of Ultimate Werewolf/Mafia back from the dead...

True, I'm sure that they wouldn't be the top picks, but it'd be nice to see them happen regardless. I would really like to know what happened to Flora as well, as it's just super weird. Obviously it'd be odd to put her in the prequels, but the decision to instead have a heroine who now also has an unexplained absence is... well, an odd one to say the least. Maybe we'll find out something next game, especially as we otherwise have a full Layton family reunion going on. I agree that the premise of LMJ would have worked with Flora, as would having made Aurora/Kat have more original designs, though obviously now it's hard to imagine anyone replacing Kat in the game we have gotten.

That would make sense and also be how it worked for Sm4sh. I do honestly wonder if we will get further DLC, given Sakurai's seeming dislike of the practices surrounding it...

Layton warriors might just be crazy enough to work, there are three separate era's in the series now with the original trilogy, prequels and LMJ era and the series has introduced a lot of different types of mook enemies with the Family, Targent, the Azran, Scotland Yard, the mooks from the anime etc and most of the cast have their own unique quirks going on too. A Layton musou game would certainly be something quite interesting to see play out, even if quite unorthodox.

Did it? I don't remember any third party microgames in Wario Ware but I'd certainly love to see a microgame or two based off the Layton series, would probably work pretty well too. Especially with some of the trunk minigames.

Do you mean Professor Layton Royale/The Phantom thief game? Yeah I'd like to see that brought back and localized for the west, Its a shame that most of them are gone now. Hopefully someone managed to save them and share the files online. I think the guy that datamined LMJ datamined one of the Layton spin off games fairly recently too, so that might be worth checking out.

I suppose they had their reasons for the prequels, although they could have let Layton and Luke tell her the events of Ambrosia in the movie instead of leaving her behind at the bridge for the rest of the movie. She could have also been given a cameo in the Ace Attorney crossover too as she was oddly absent there as well. I think the crossover could have probably done a bit more as far as fanservice went, but I guess we at least got Chelmey and Edgeworth in there.

Yeah Kat is pretty much a mainstay at this point, though it was very odd when they first introduced her as another adopted daughter type character for Layton when he already had one that they could have used instead. Its kind of like if Nintendo where to create a whole new Mario brother to look for Mario in Luigi's Mansion and then not also really acknowledging Luigi's existence either, it would feel very odd and jarring. At least if the datamines are anything to go by, Level-5 was planning to bring Flora back as well so hopefully we'll see her in the next game and interact with Kat (and hopefully Alfendi too) in a meaningful way.

Yeah that's more or less on Sakurai, then again, according to him, it was apparently Nintendo that planned and decided on the DLC beforehand so it may or may not be entirely up to them if they would go for another round or not. Knowing them though, probably not, even though it would be nice if they did. It might also give us a second chance in seeing the Prof make it in if he doesn't for this pass...

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Diabolical box's plot confuses me so much. I've played it so many times over the years and I still think it's a stretch even by the logic of this series.

 

[amageish]

Layton warriors might just be crazy enough to work, there are three separate era's in the series now with the original trilogy, prequels and LMJ era and the series has introduced a lot of different types of mook enemies with the Family, Targent, the Azran, Scotland Yard, the mooks from the anime etc and most of the cast have their own unique quirks going on too. A Layton musou game would certainly be something quite interesting to see play out, even if quite unorthodox.

It would be pretty unique! They do also have a lot of big bosses who could be fought, even if you'd have to ultimately defeat them by unmasking them.

Roster Idea (sticking to HW-sized-roster of 13 before DLC): Hershel, Luke, Flora, Emmy, Kat, Ernest, Don Paolo, Clive, Descole, Chelmey, Barton, Anton, and an OC. That's covering most of the characters listed in the fan-favourites from the World of Professor Layton, plus it allows for diverse movesets (I'm thinking Luke uses his animal friends, for instance).

Did it? I don't remember any third party microgames in Wario Ware but I'd certainly love to see a microgame or two based off the Layton series, would probably work pretty well too. Especially with some of the trunk minigames.

I think I must have imagined it... They have had some microgames based on third party titles, but they were always just thinly-veiled parodies and not licensed. Still, Layton would work very effectively.

Do you mean Professor Layton Royale/The Phantom thief game? Yeah I'd like to see that brought back and localized for the west, Its a shame that most of them are gone now. Hopefully someone managed to save them and share the files online. I think the guy that datamined LMJ datamined one of the Layton spin off games fairly recently too, so that might be worth checking out.

I would really like to see that come back! It would be super cool. I would also be interested in seeing the datamines...

That said, I was actually thinking of the most recent trailer of Layton 7, where it was literally just Mafia with a Layton-skin and vampires instead of mafia or werewolves. It's still weird enough for me to kind of want it.

I suppose they had their reasons for the prequels, although they could have let Layton and Luke tell her the events of Ambrosia in the movie instead of leaving her behind at the bridge for the rest of the movie. She could have also been given a cameo in the Ace Attorney crossover too as she was oddly absent there as well. I think the crossover could have probably done a bit more as far as fanservice went, but I guess we at least got Chelmey and Edgeworth in there.

Yeah, that would have been very good. I believe that she was planned to be in the Layton crossover at one point, as was Emmy? It definitely gave a priority to telling its own story over major fanservice for sure (even though Maya being there was kind of instant fanservice in a sense). I find it odd how many people use it as an example of a direct crossover versus a concept crossover, as I feel like it is a bit of both. It's very concept-y in a lot of ways.

Yeah Kat is pretty much a mainstay at this point, though it was very odd when they first introduced her as another adopted daughter type character for Layton when he already had one that they could have used instead. Its kind of like if Nintendo where to create a whole new Mario brother to look for Mario in Luigi's Mansion and then not also really acknowledging Luigi's existence either, it would feel very odd and jarring. At least if the datamines are anything to go by, Level-5 was planning to bring Flora back as well so hopefully we'll see her in the next game and interact with Kat (and hopefully Alfendi too) in a meaningful way.

Yeah, definitely was an odd choice. I don't know if I'd say it'd be as odd as removing Luigi, as Flora had been MIA for a trilogy at that point, but it was definitely very weird. Hopefully she will return next game. Make it a full Layton family reunion.

Yeah that's more or less on Sakurai, then again, according to him, it was apparently Nintendo that planned and decided on the DLC beforehand so it may or may not be entirely up to them if they would go for another round or not. Knowing them though, probably not, even though it would be nice if they did. It might also give us a second chance in seeing the Prof make it in if he doesn't for this pass...

Yeah, that is very true. Nintendo kind of sucks at consistent DLC - I know Smash is objectively special, but I don't know if Nintendo would notice that and give it DLC when things like Mario Kart never got past their first pass.

And, well, we have rumours spiraling again that don't point to him - and these ones are at least better then a random text post. So, uh, we'll see I guess.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Diabolical box's plot confuses me so much. I've played it so many times over the years and I still think it's a stretch even by the logic of this series.

Spoiler: Diabolical Box spoilers

 

[fogbadge]

Diabolical box's plot confuses me so much. I've played it so many times over the years and I still think it's a stretch even by the logic of this series.

really? why?

 

[Curious Villager]

It would be pretty unique! They do also have a lot of big bosses who could be fought, even if you'd have to ultimately defeat them by unmasking them.

Roster Idea (sticking to HW-sized-roster of 13 before DLC): Hershel, Luke, Flora, Emmy, Kat, Ernest, Don Paolo, Clive, Descole, Chelmey, Barton, Anton, and an OC. That's covering most of the characters listed in the fan-favourites from the World of Professor Layton, plus it allows for diverse movesets (I'm thinking Luke uses his animal friends, for instance).

I think I must have imagined it... They have had some microgames based on third party titles, but they were always just thinly-veiled parodies and not licensed. Still, Layton would work very effectively.

I would really like to see that come back! It would be super cool. I would also be interested in seeing the datamines...

That said, I was actually thinking of the most recent trailer of Layton 7, where it was literally just Mafia with a Layton-skin and vampires instead of mafia or werewolves. It's still weird enough for me to kind of want it.

Yeah, that would have been very good. I believe that she was planned to be in the Layton crossover at one point, as was Emmy? It definitely gave a priority to telling its own story over major fanservice for sure (even though Maya being there was kind of instant fanservice in a sense). I find it odd how many people use it as an example of a direct crossover versus a concept crossover, as I feel like it is a bit of both. It's very concept-y in a lot of ways.

Yeah, definitely was an odd choice. I don't know if I'd say it'd be as odd as removing Luigi, as Flora had been MIA for a trilogy at that point, but it was definitely very weird. Hopefully she will return next game. Make it a full Layton family reunion.

Yeah, that is very true. Nintendo kind of sucks at consistent DLC - I know Smash is objectively special, but I don't know if Nintendo would notice that and give it DLC when things like Mario Kart never got past their first pass.

And, well, we have rumours spiraling again that don't point to him - and these ones are at least better then a random text post. So, uh, we'll see I guess.

Great, now you got the gnoggin rolling to what a Layton Warriors could be like. I'll put it under spoilers since it will probably be pretty long,
Plus spoilers for pretty much the whole series I suppose...

Spoiler

That's just off the top of my head, Heh a Layton Warriors might just actually work, now wether Level-5 and Koei Tecmo would actually do it.... eh we can always dream I suppose...


Oh I see, that makes sense.

Yeah it might have been interesting to see how that would have worked.

Only Emmy was considered as far as I'm aware, back when Luke was planned to be in his prequel trilogy design.

Yeah I suppose so, though even Luigi was MIA in the mainline games for a bit with Super Mario 64 and Sunshine as well as the Super Mario Land games, I suppose even Super Mario RPG where he didn't really appear until the end credits I think, and in the Paper Mario games he was also left behind a few times. There was a time where his main appearances where kind of limited onto the spin offs and cameo's I guess, which is probably the same that happened with Flora I guess...

Yeah apparently Ryu Hyabusa is being rumoured now, which I suppose gives Koei Tecmo a rep, which I guess would leave Level-5, and SNK as the sole notable Japanese third party companies left without a character if I'm not mistaken, I suppose Natsume as well. So there's that I suppose...

 

[Hadokeyblade]

really? why?

Spoiler: L-2

 

[Curious Villager]

Spoiler: L-2

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That being said, yeah, Pandora's Box's story is probably the most far fetched one in the series.

 

[MattX20]

The stories can get pretty complex, though Ace Attorney is no slouch in that department either.

 

[fogbadge]

Spoiler: L-2

well

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[Curious Villager]

well

Spoiler

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[GoodGrief741]

Spoiler: L-2

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[amageish]

Great, now you got the gnoggin rolling to what a Layton Warriors could be like. I'll put it under spoilers since it will probably be pretty long,
Plus spoilers for pretty much the whole series I suppose...

Spoiler

That's just off the top of my head, Heh a Layton Warriors might just actually work, now wether Level-5 and Koei Tecmo would actually do it.... eh we can always dream I suppose...

That is an incredibly good roster; I also really really want that now. Stachenscarfen and Riddleton would be especially hilarious. Also, remixes of Layton music with a harder Warriors edge would be completely hilarious.

Spoiler

Only Emmy was considered as far as I'm aware, back when Luke was planned to be in his prequel trilogy design.

For some reason I had thought they intended it to be more fanservice-y and have Wright/Maya visit the full Layton world including the whole cast and vice versa... Maybe I'm thinking of fanon though.

Yeah I suppose so, though even Luigi was MIA in the mainline games for a bit with Super Mario 64 and Sunshine as well as the Super Mario Land games, I suppose even Super Mario RPG where he didn't really appear until the end credits I think, and in the Paper Mario games he was also left behind a few times. There was a time where his main appearances where kind of limited onto the spin offs and cameo's I guess, which is probably the same that happened with Flora I guess...

Ahhhhhhh, that is very fair. I suppose he did vanish for a while... I guess Nintendo also has kind of pulled that sort of retcon before, with Pauline vanishing for a long time after having been Mario's original love interest. Hopefully Flora gets as grant of a return as Pauline did!

Yeah apparently Ryu Hyabusa is being rumoured now, which I suppose gives Koei Tecmo a rep, which I guess would leave Level-5, and SNK as the sole notable Japanese third party companies left without a character if I'm not mistaken, I suppose Natsume as well. So there's that I suppose...

Ater Koei Tecmo, Level-5 would definitely be the next biggest IMO, both in terms of actual size and connection to Nintendo. SNK is definitely big, but AFIAK they're not in the top 10 biggest like Level-5.

I'd probably put Marvelous next on the list, as while games like Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons, Rune Factory, and Senran Kagura are objectively quite niche, they do seem to pop all over the place in terms of publishing and co-developing (having had hands in evertyhing from King of Fighters to Fate/ to No More Heroes). Also they turned up in 10th place after Koei, Sony, and Level-5 when I googled biggest Japanese gaming companies, and why would the internet ever lie to me?

Natsume is kind of a mess for copyright, as there is an American Natsume and a Japanese Natsume who have nothing to do with each other, the latter of which does very very very little. Like, their biggest series is a Pokemon clone.

 

[fogbadge]

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over all i dont think any of the 7 games and the movie had bad plots, though i have a few nit picks with millionaire's conspiracy but that was more with structure rather than plot

 

[Curious Villager]

That is an incredibly good roster; I also really really want that now. Stachenscarfen and Riddleton would be especially hilarious. Also, remixes of Layton music with a harder Warriors edge would be completely hilarious.

Spoiler

For some reason I had thought they intended it to be more fanservice-y and have Wright/Maya visit the full Layton world including the whole cast and vice versa... Maybe I'm thinking of fanon though.



Ahhhhhhh, that is very fair. I suppose he did vanish for a while... I guess Nintendo also has kind of pulled that sort of retcon before, with Pauline vanishing for a long time after having been Mario's original love interest. Hopefully Flora gets as grant of a return as Pauline did!



Ater Koei Tecmo, Level-5 would definitely be the next biggest IMO, both in terms of actual size and connection to Nintendo. SNK is definitely big, but AFIAK they're not in the top 10 biggest like Level-5.

I'd probably put Marvelous next on the list, as while games like Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons, Rune Factory, and Senran Kagura are objectively quite niche, they do seem to pop all over the place in terms of publishing and co-developing (having had hands in evertyhing from King of Fighters to Fate/ to No More Heroes). Also they turned up in 10th place after Koei, Sony, and Level-5 when I googled biggest Japanese gaming companies, and why would the internet ever lie to me?

Natsume is kind of a mess for copyright, as there is an American Natsume and a Japanese Natsume who have nothing to do with each other, the latter of which does very very very little. Like, their biggest series is a Pokemon clone.

I can just imagine the Layton songs with a rock flair from Koei Tecmo, I would love to hear that.

Maybe one day they'll dabble into a Warriors spin off with Level-5, at least Hino is known to be open to doing collaborations with other companies so who knows, maybe one day....


Probably yeah, perhaps in a potential sequel they could make both worlds collide a bit more.

Now I'm imagining Flora being revealed to have become a famous singing star somewhere in the UK during the LMJ era and now I really want to see that...

Probably, apparently Nintendo just accidentally leaked fighter 4's company though,

Spoiler

 

[amageish]

I can just imagine the Layton songs with a rock flair from Koei Tecmo, I would love to hear that.

Maybe one day they'll dabble into a Warriors spin off with Level-5, at least Hino is known to be open to doing collaborations with other companies so who knows, maybe one day....


Probably yeah, perhaps in a potential sequel they could make both worlds collide a bit more.

Now I'm imagining Flora being revealed to have become a famous singing star somewhere in the UK during the LMJ era and now I really want to see that...

Probably, apparently Nintendo just accidentally leaked fighter 4's company though,

Spoiler

Rock Layton is something I didn't know I needed until now either... Well, we'll see if it ever happens...

Come on Kat vs Apollo... Or Alfendi vs Apollo; I'm not picky.

That would be amazing haha. Debut trailer for the next game is Flora singing!

And, uh, wow. Yeah, that earlier discussion aged poorly. Oops.

 

[Curious Villager]

Rock Layton is something I didn't know I needed until now either... Well, we'll see if it ever happens...

Come on Kat vs Apollo... Or Alfendi vs Apollo; I'm not picky.

That would be amazing haha. Debut trailer for the next game is Flora singing!

And, uh, wow. Yeah, that earlier discussion aged poorly. Oops.

Yeah that'd be interesting to see.

Seeing another crossover at all would be great. Wether its with Ace Attorney or other franchises, here's hoping we see the series expand onto new territories one day.

Going from a sheltered girl in an obscure lonely village to a world renowned famous star, that would be quite a great twist to see.

I guess it happens, I hope Level-5 won't eventually end up being the very last Japanese third party to get a character in Smash....


Also here's a little video discussing graphics vs aesthetics with the Layton series (and some other franchises).

Its nice to see some Youtubers talking about the Layton series lately.
Although being fair, Miracle Mask was originally intended to have the same hand drawn art style as the DS games did but only went 3D at the last minute. Probably to showcase the 3DS's 3D gimmick, that as well as the game being rushed a bit to be a 3DS launch title in Japan.

They polished things up a bit more for Azran Legacy though.

 

[fogbadge]

it couldnt just read level-5 to imply either one of the two greatest puzzle heroes or one of the most popular/niche rpgs there is, could it?

 

[amageish]

Seeing another crossover at all would be great. Wether its with Ace Attorney or other franchises, here's hoping we see the series expand onto new territories one day.

Layton x Resident Evil! It'll happen one day! /s

Going from a sheltered girl in an obscure lonely village to a world renowned famous star, that would be quite a great twist to see.

That would be one heck of an evolution. It also could explain why she is busy and hasn't been hanging around the Layton family.

 

[Curious Villager]

it couldnt just read level-5 to imply either one of the two greatest puzzle heroes or one of the most popular/niche rpgs there is, could it?

Unfortunately we don't live in such simple times fogbadge...
Well I guess that will at least leave Koei Tecmo, Level-5, Marvelous and Natsume I think as the sole Japanese third parties left without a playable character in the game (That they own) as well as the guy that owns Touhou I suppose.

Layton x Resident Evil! It'll happen one day! /s



That would be one heck of an evolution. It also could explain why she is busy and hasn't been hanging around the Layton family.

Probably yeah.

That would explain a few things yeah, at least its better than the excuse of "Maybe she went to look for a job and left Layton" excuse one of the dev's pulled out of their backsides in the World of Professor Layton fanbook interview...

 

[fogbadge]

Unfortunately we don't live in such simple times fogbadge...
Well I guess that will at least leave Koei Tecmo, Level-5, Marvelous and Natsume I think as the sole Japanese third parties left without a playable character in the game (That they own) as well as the guy that owns Touhou I suppose.

well i hear its been confirmed to be mistake so i guess we're back to where we were before

 

[Curious Villager]

well i hear its been confirmed to be mistake so i guess we're back to where we were before

I've seen people paddling back and forth with that statement.
Hopefully the upcoming Direct will shed some light into this.

 

[fogbadge]

I've seen people paddling back and forth with that statement.
Hopefully the upcoming Direct will shed some light into this.

if the direct rumour turns out to be true

 

[Curious Villager]

if the direct rumour turns out to be true

What Direct rumour?

 

[fogbadge]

What Direct rumour?

well you mentioned an upcoming direct which last i heard was just a rumour for the 12th

 

[Curious Villager]

well you mentioned an upcoming direct which last i heard was just a rumour for the 12th

We usually tend to get a Direct this month as far as I'm aware.
Not sure if it would be on the same day as the TGS though..

 

[fogbadge]

We usually tend to get a Direct this month as far as I'm aware.
Not sure if it would be on the same day as the TGS though..

well the pattern of directs has changed a bit over the years, but i guess we have had a them in september recently, everyone was assuming wed get one even before these rumours showed up

 

[Curious Villager]

well the pattern of directs has changed a bit over the years, but i guess we have had a them in september recently, everyone was assuming wed get one even before these rumours showed up

Pretty much yes, I mean I suppose it makes sense since I think the TGS is always on September if I'm not mistaken and its pretty much Japan's E3.
I don't think Nintendo's Directs where ever on that exact date though, usually before or after TGS if I recall.
If anything, hopefully we will at least be getting some more Layton news in general this month...

 

[fogbadge]

Pretty much yes, I mean I suppose it makes sense since I think the TGS is always on September if I'm not mistaken and its pretty much Japan's E3.
I don't think Nintendo's Directs where ever on that exact date though, usually before or after TGS if I recall.
If anything, hopefully we will at least be getting some more Layton news in general this month...

heres hoping

 

[Curious Villager]

Aaaand here's the September Direct.
Guess we'll see what will happen tomorrow.....

 

[fogbadge]

Aaaand here's the September Direct.
Guess we'll see what will happen tomorrow.....

well i suppose lady millionaire's conspiracy hd could be in it as its out next month

funny how i turns up right after we were talking about it

 

[Curious Villager]

well i suppose lady millionaire's conspiracy hd could be in it as its out next month

funny how i turns up right after we were talking about it

I think that's probably a given, hopefully they won't make the Flora outfit a pre order/digital download bonus again, especially if they don't plan to make it fully available later again...

Aside from that (as well as the Smash reveal) What are you guys hoping to see tomorrow?

 

[fogbadge]

I think that's probably a given, hopefully they won't make the Flora outfit a pre order bonus again.

Aside from that (as well as the Smash reveal) What are you guys hoping to see tomorrow?

well two of the confirmed games are among my most wanted but i wouldnt mind a little more on animal crossing and either zelda

 

[Curious Villager]

That sounds good, hopefully they will reveal a bit more about BotW 2. Perhaps Mario Odyssey 2 reveal as well if that's in the pipeline.
And probably the rumoured Wario Ware Switch game would be nice to see.

 

[fogbadge]

That sounds good, hopefully they will reveal a bit more about BotW 2. Perhaps Mario Odyssey 2 reveal as well if that's in the pipeline.
And probably the rumoured Wario Ware Switch game would be nice to see.

well due to a tweet nintendo made there have been a number of mario theories going around recently

 

[Curious Villager]

well due to a tweet nintendo made there have been a number of mario theories going around recently

Yeah hence why I mentioned it. I'd love to see an Odyssey 2 much akin to Galaxy 2. Probably with some added difficulty and new places to explore. Maybe even (re)visit some familiar places as well.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah hence why I mentioned it. I'd love to see an Odyssey 2 much akin to Galaxy 2. Probably with some added difficulty and new places to explore. Maybe even (re)visit some familiar places as well.

well odyssesy 2 always seemed likely to me more so after botw2 was announced

 

[Curious Villager]

well odyssesy 2 always seemed likely to me more so after botw2 was announced

Yeah probably, seemed like a no brainer to expand further onto the capture mechanic.
I'd be interested to see what new locales they will visit too, perhaps they can expand onto the Cloud and Ruined kingdoms, Mario would probably revisit Isle Delfino too, maybe even take it a step further and have him visit a different game franchise kingdom such as Hyrule, might be a good opportunity to revive Link's outfit too that was cut in the last game.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think that's probably a given, hopefully they won't make the Flora outfit a pre order/digital download bonus again, especially if they don't plan to make it fully available later again...

Aside from that (as well as the Smash reveal) What are you guys hoping to see tomorrow?

I just want another F-Zero. WarioWare and Odyssey 2 would be sweet.

Maybe we get to see Metroid Prime 4?

 

[Curious Villager]

I just want another F-Zero. WarioWare and Odyssey 2 would be sweet.

Maybe we get to see Metroid Prime 4?

Didn't they reset development on that earlier this year? Would be nice though, maybe a Switch port of the original trilogy would be nice to see.