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global-wolf

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Dinah and Aibou first... o__o

Tatsu, are those times on the bracket the times we're supposed finish the matches by? It's very hard to schedule such short deadlines for people, especially when it's so short notice. It would be better if you set a deadline a week from now or something like that, and have everyone finish their matches by then.
 

Aibou

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Um, no Poke Balls by "high demand"? Only one person had an issue with Poke Balls. No one else had a problem (at least they didn't say they did...). I think that if you're not sure whether or not you should allow them, there should be a vote.

Also I'd bring up the Low Tier thing, but as I'm the only one who has an issue with it, it would be hypocritical of me to mention it now...
 

tatsu

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Dinah and Aibou first... o__o

Tatsu, are those times on the bracket the times we're supposed finish the matches by? It's very hard to schedule such short deadlines for people, especially when it's so short notice. It would be better if you set a deadline a week from now or something like that, and have everyone finish their matches by then.
those are the times you are supposed to start
 

KMK

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Hey Team Harden, when do you want to play? I'm free today until 3:00 PM PST.
On weekdays evenings would be best, though. Say, 6:00 (PST) onward.
Just let me know...?
 

zmx

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Um, no Poke Balls by "high demand"? Only one person had an issue with Poke Balls. No one else had a problem (at least they didn't say they did...). I think that if you're not sure whether or not you should allow them, there should be a vote.

Also I'd bring up the Low Tier thing, but as I'm the only one who has an issue with it, it would be hypocritical of me to mention it now...
I talked to Global and he had a problem with the poke balls as well. If we conducted a poll letting every person that entered the tourny say their piece I'm sure the majority would agree they should be off. It just makes the tourny more legit. I'm not sure if given the choice why you'd want them on. They are very disruptive to the fun even when set at low (they still spawn every 30 seconds or so while I tested this out yesterday).

And keep in mind, Zatch is a monster with items and I use snake (meaning most of even the most devastating effects won't kill me). And we both have great movement tools to get items faster than many other characters. In other words, if probably would have helped instead of hindered our team so I'm not saying this out of bias. I just think it would result in a better tourny experience for everyone. It would be lame to have a ton of people get salty or John about losing because of items. Feel free to disagree but do justify.
 

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I don't have a problem with pokeballs. I'm pretty sure I said that I would use Pika because they were on... Puff is kinda meh when it comes to items.
 

DTK.L

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I like how every HOR has been set to fight each other in the first round gotta have love for randomizers..>_>

:phone:
 

zmx

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I don't have a problem with pokeballs. I'm pretty sure I said that I would use Pika because they were on... Puff is kinda meh when it comes to items.
That's not what you said on the xat.


Edit:

Tatsu, I'm cool with doing our matches today. Just to warn you however, Link/Albatross tend to come on later. I'm guessing they'll be on about 6-8 hours from now.
 

zmx

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Oh? That's what I remember saying.
You said your Jigglypuff you feel is much better in doubles than your Pikachu when I suggested you go with Pikachu instead. That's all that was said on the matter of which character you'd use and why. You didn't consider items at all. As for when I did bring up items you agreed that they should probably be off.

If you don't remember that's fine, if you've changed your mind please just say this.
 

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I can play today, possibly.

I have a copious amounts of item experience, thanks to Basic Brawl. Pokeballs will not be an issue for me, in fact, they could supplement my play. Incidentally, global is a girl, zmx.:applejack:
 

zmx

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I can play today, possibly.

I have a copious amounts of item experience, thanks to Basic Brawl. Pokeballs will not be an issue for me, in fact, they could supplement my play. Incidentally, global is a girl, zmx.:applejack:
That's why I said them being on would probably give us a big unfair advantage.

Now that you are here we just need Link2 and I think we've got everyone we need to do our set.

But mind having a few friendlies with me while we wait? I want to see how your Pokemon Trainer plays, it's been ages since I've faced it.
 

Link2thelost90

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I can probably play today though it'd have to be around now or after say 7:00pm EST. Otherwise, I can play mostly anytime after 2:30pm EST on the weekdays.
Also <3 Marth's glide tosses.
Too bad there aren't any diddy players in this tourney, I like using there own nanars against them as Marth. :p
 

zmx

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I can probably play today though it'd have to be around now or after say 7:00pm EST. Otherwise, I can play mostly anytime after 2:30pm EST on the weekdays.
Also <3 Marth's glide tosses.
Too bad there aren't any diddy players in this tourney, I like using there own nanars against them as Marth. :p
I was considering going Diddy, but he's one of the most frustrating characters to use in Lag and I didn't want to risk it. Marth is another ironically.

Btw just because you can glide toss with Marth doesn't mean you'll be able to magically use them effectively against Diddys especially when they'll be expecting it.

Anyways it looks like everyone will be present during that time if Tatsu shows up. Let's aim to do this today.
 

Aibou

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I talked to Global and he had a problem with the poke balls as well. If we conducted a poll letting every person that entered the tourny say their piece I'm sure the majority would agree they should be off. It just makes the tourny more legit. I'm not sure if given the choice why you'd want them on. They are very disruptive to the fun even when set at low (they still spawn every 30 seconds or so while I tested this out yesterday).

And keep in mind, Zatch is a monster with items and I use snake (meaning most of even the most devastating effects won't kill me). And we both have great movement tools to get items faster than many other characters. In other words, if probably would have helped instead of hindered our team so I'm not saying this out of bias. I just think it would result in a better tourny experience for everyone. It would be lame to have a ton of people get salty or John about losing because of items. Feel free to disagree but do justify.
I'm sorry, but please stop trying to speak for everyone. Who said the majority would agree with your opinion? Have you asked everyone? No, you haven't. You asked one person, who apparently you've had some sort of miscommunication with. Who says the items are disruptive to the fun? I know I don't think they are. Quite the contrary, actually. Unfortunately only your word shouldn't be enough to warrant the items being removed. If Tatsu wants to keep it that way then fine, I'll apologize for wasting everyone's time and back off. But he has yet to address this issue properly, so I standby my opinion of a poll about whether or not Poke Balls should be allowed.

And there's no need to bring up you or your partner's skill with items. I don't know what your aim is by saying that but it brings no substance whatsoever towards your argument. Unless you're trying to intimidate others into agreeing with you, in which case you are not being the best sport (notice that I am not accusing you of anything, merely speculating at what you might be implying). I do hope that's not the case.
 

zmx

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You misread what I said. The point about Albatross being good with items is completely relevant to my argument because it shows that if I were biased I'd be pushing for items to be on, not off. Lol @ intimidation.

I'd love to have a poll (even though at this point I'm sure I'll be the only one who wants them off) but that's nearly impossible as I doubt we'll have all 16 of us on any time soon.

However, keep in mind there's a reason every official, legit, offline/online tourny has them off. I'm kind of shocked I even had to say any of this. It's pretty much a standard for tournys to have them off. At the same time what the majority wants is>>>>than what is the official standard. So that being said I'll say it's fine with me if they are on. Since the majority likely wants it, Tatsu you should ignore what I've said and put them back on.
 

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Again, I haven't any problem with Pokeballs. May the people vote for a candid cause.:applejack:
 

Aibou

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You misread what I said. The point about Albatross being good with items is completely relevant to my argument because it shows that if I were biased I'd be pushing for items to be on, not off. Lol @ intimidation.
That's fine, I apologize for misunderstanding and thinking the worst of you.

I'd love to have a poll (even though at this point I'm sure I'll be the only one who wants them off) but that's nearly impossible as I doubt we'll have all 16 of us on any time soon.
I agree, however if there's a disagreement, I think it may be in the best interest to at least attempt a poll.

However, keep in mind there's a reason every official, legit, offline/online tourny has them off. I'm kind of shocked I even had to say any of this. It's pretty much a standard for tournys to have them off. At the same time what the majority wants is>>>>than what is the official standard. So that being said I'll say it's fine with me if they are on. Since the majority likely wants it, Tatsu you should ignore what I've said and put them back on.
I'm not new to the OTL, or Smash in general. I'm fully aware the standard for tournaments online and off, and why the items are normally off. Something you need to remember is that not all tournaments here in the OTL are meant to be serious. Now, not trying to be rude or disrespectful in any way (and I apologize deeply if I come off as such), but I think if you want a serious doubles tournament, it would be a good idea to host your own (especially because there seems to be a decent spike of activity here in the OTL).

Now if we're in a somewhat mutual agreement here, all we need is for Tatsu to respond with the verdict...
 

zmx

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Yes I agree. It all depends on what Tatsu wants. As you've said, if he intends the tourny to be a bit more serious he should turn them off. If he doesn't care then they should be on. Looking forward to the matches either way.
 

zmx

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okay... the items are on and I need the results from earlier and that me and link need to connect so I'll pm him my fc or look for team dragon rage's team members mine is Ike...
I don't think any matches have been played out yet so there are no results to speak of. But as soon as you can contact link2 we can have our match. Btw he said he's be available around 7.
 

Aibou

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okay... the items are on and I need the results from earlier and that me and link need to connect so I'll pm him my fc or look for team dragon rage's team members mine is Ike...
Now that that's settled, we'll need to know how high the frequency of the items are (Low/Mid/High/etc).
 

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I just don't get why not play without the items and say you did. Problemsolved.com

Also aibou whenever you and dinah are ready to play me and glow let us know when you're free to avoid confusion.
:phone:
 

zmx

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I just don't get why not play without the items and say you did. Problemsolved.com

:phone:
Obviously, not only would that be dishonest but the other team could complain about it if they had wanted them on.
 

DTK.L

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Obviously, not only would that be dishonest but the other team could complain about it if they had wanted them on.
Sorry for the mention o rightous and true batman of smashboards lol.

By the way things are looking the only complains are the items being on and the only dishonest thing i can sense is edge-hogging but that is my perspective on it.

:phone:
 

zmx

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Sorry for the mention o rightous and true batman of smashboards lol.

By the way things are looking the only complains are the items being on and the only dishonest thing i can sense is edge-hogging but that is my perspective on it.

:phone:
I've already explained to you that doing well timed edge hogs can be pretty technical and it would change the entire metagame if no one did it. Basically recoveries being bad would be meaningless. Characters like Olimar would be God tier. This is not the place to bring it up again.

I've also explained to you that edge guarding (something you DO do) is just as bad if not worse.
 

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Chillax, z. Save the fighting for the tourney no need to get arbitary. ~,~

:phone:
 

zmx

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At any rate even if you don't care about lying, the other team can definitively still rat you out. So that was far from a common sense solution.
 

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It shouldn't be serious like to a point someone would have you disqualified for no items it's not like anyone has anything to lose i have no opinion Just as LP has so items on or off it's still a game so why go so far as to address your opinion on the smallest disagreements? And what's up with these "what if" scenario's you seem pretty cautious of what may or may not happen just go with the flow.

:phone:
 

zmx

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It shouldn't be serious like to a point someone would have you disqualified for no items it's not like anyone has anything to lose i have no opinion Just as LP has so items on or off it's still a game so why go so far as to address your opinion on the smallest disagreements? And what's up with these "what if" scenario's you seem pretty cautious of what may or may not happen just go with the flow.

:phone:
I was responding to what you said initially: "Just don't use items and don't tell anyone".

I am explaining to you why this wouldn't work. There are 4 players, if even one of them actually cares about having them on...........

This thread should be enough to tell you people like Aibou DO care about having them on.

Nothing I said was meant to be hostile. I was merely explaining.
 

Aibou

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Tatsu, are those times on the bracket the times we're supposed finish the matches by? It's very hard to schedule such short deadlines for people, especially when it's so short notice. It would be better if you set a deadline a week from now or something like that, and have everyone finish their matches by then.

^ This x9001.

I just realized the deadlines are so short (yeah I'm mad slow, get @ me :glare: ). Getting everything done within a day just will not happen. PLEASE make the deadline at least 5-7 days...
 

zmx

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This shouldn't be done in a day, since everyone wants to watch Apex.

I suggest tomorrow to be the deadline.
This. I'm all for doing them a later day.

However, brawl won't be on the stream until melee finishes.

But if the other 3 in my match want to, I'll do them.
 
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