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The Original Midna for Brawl thread. (Debate the Wolf here!)

Midna In Brawl?

  • Only Midna in Brawl!

    Votes: 277 30.8%
  • Midna and Wolflink in Brawl!

    Votes: 398 44.3%
  • I don't want Midna in there, period!

    Votes: 89 9.9%
  • Just give me Wolflink sans Midna!

    Votes: 30 3.3%
  • I really couldn't care less.

    Votes: 105 11.7%

  • Total voters
    899

Komayto

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I would like both to be in, but I'm just afraid that they'd **** it up if they did midna solo. She's so small and boring alone. Midna/Wolflink are awesome together though.

but...

OMG 2 LINKZ ITS DUH END OF DUH WORDL! SUM1 ELTS DESERVS THE SPOT!
Eh, for me it's more that I simply don't see Wolf Link being in. I always try to be open-minded and think slightly out of the box, but I still think it would be an awkward character.
For example, I don't see Wolf Link double-jumping backwards, especially with someone on his back.

It's not that I don't want it to happen, but I just doubt that they would go through the trouble to make a character like that. There are lots of ways to mess up animating a character like this.
But I still want Midna to be playable, so that's one reason I support Midna by herself.

And I wouldn't say she's boring alone. In fact, I think she'd have a more... flavorful set of moves than Wolf Link's teeth/claws/tail style. That's just my opinion, of course, but yeah.
 

kingkirby7714

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Eh, for me it's more that I simply don't see Wolf Link being in. I always try to be open-minded and think slightly out of the box, but I still think it would be an awkward character.
For example, I don't see Wolf Link double-jumping backwards, especially with someone on his back.

It's not that I don't want it to happen, but I just doubt that they would go through the trouble to make a character like that. There are lots of ways to mess up animating a character like this.
But I still want Midna to be playable, so that's one reason I support Midna by herself.

And I wouldn't say she's boring alone. In fact, I think she'd have a more... flavorful set of moves than Wolf Link's teeth/claws/tail style. That's just my opinion, of course, but yeah.
i agree 100%. i didn't think about simple things like jumping. it wouldn't look natural.
 

Brawlmatt202

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Yeah, I really couldn't care less.

To me, it doesn't matter if Minda has or doesn't have Wolf Link. In fact, I don't care if Minda makes it or not at all.

I admit, it would be neat seeing her, but I don't really care.
 

linkw00t

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Thanks for you opinion. Perhaps we could try to keep the discussion about Midna? And not about uhmmm who you want to appear in? If every Tom, ****, and Harry posted they didn't care...

Anyway, I can see how W.Link could be awkward in certain aspects, but I'd still like to see him, maybe part of her Super Smash? I don't think they'd impliment her alone. I just don't see it happening. So if she's not on W.Link, I'm not thinking it's going to happen at all.

But seeing as Zelda is the best-selling game on the Wii, I think that the franchise will be represented poperly. :D
 

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*Replies to recent post*

" i didn't think about simple things like jumping. it wouldn't look natural."
Yeah, because it's "natural" for things to jump than jump again in the real world. . .
(If they can make someone as real looking as Snake look "natural" than Im sure they could pull Wolf Link off seeing as Pika looks right doing these things)

"I don't see Wolf Link double-jumping backwards, especially with someone on his back."
Well I see it as a poch like jump forward followed by either a back flip (like he does in his game) or just a backwards poch.
 

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Midna's my favorite character in any game just about ever, and I'd really rather see her solo. Plenty of characters in Smash games have had stuff made up for them when a full moveset couldn't be made of what they did in game. Take Jigglypuff's rest. In the actual Pokemon series, rest only healed, yet it was adapted for smash to instead to a ton of damage and send a target flying.

If they want Midna in brawl, they can find a way to make a moveset. I just really hope they try.
 

Wiseguy

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Caution: Twilight Princess Spoilers

Let's face facts: Midna is the real hero of Twilight Princess. Link's personality, true to Zelda convention, is a blank canvas while Zelda and Ganondorf hardly appear at all. It seems unfair that these three character are nearly guaranteed to appear in Brawl while Midna, the character with with greatest depth and personality, may not appear.

Personally, I think that Midna should be included in her humanoid form that was revealed at the end of Twilight Princess. I have a hard time envisioning Midna as a balanced fighter in imp form or on the back of Wolf-Link.
 

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Just to give you guys a little something to scale, I always imagined Midna in her imp form to be roughly around the same size as Ness or Kirby. In her himan form, she'd be roughly the size of Samus or Zelda.

That's why I don't think Midna's size would be a problem.
 

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Maybe it's because I haven't played TP yet but I don't understand why people want Midna in brawl or why people think she has a good chance.
Because they like emos and listen to MCR.

But seriously, maybe it was just me, but I could not STAND Midna in Twilight Princess. Sure, she might've been the 'hero', but who got her *** handed to her at the end of the game? Midna. Who got her *** handed to her by Zant, who was the easiest battle ever? Midna. And who just gave off the emo goth feel in that entire game? You know it.

But besides that, Midna is a one time thing. Twilight Princess doesn't need any more representation than Ocarina of time and Wind Waker do, it's the Zelda franchise being represented here, and who better to represent than characters that appear in multiple games. Hence, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, and possibly Vaati if he ends up being the villain in another Zelda game. Otherwise, Midna comes and goes, she's a one time character from one Zelda game, and unlike someone like Sheik, who was Zeldas alter ego, she had nothing to do with the Zelda timeline. Just like the king of red lions, the happy mask salesman, and Impa, they're not a recurring importance.
 

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Because they like emos and listen to MCR.

But seriously, maybe it was just me, but I could not STAND Midna in Twilight Princess. Sure, she might've been the 'hero', but who got her *** handed to her at the end of the game? Midna. Who got her *** handed to her by Zant, who was the easiest battle ever? Midna. And who just gave off the emo goth feel in that entire game? You know it.

But besides that, Midna is a one time thing. Twilight Princess doesn't need any more representation than Ocarina of time and Wind Waker do, it's the Zelda franchise being represented here, and who better to represent than characters that appear in multiple games. Hence, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, and possibly Vaati if he ends up being the villain in another Zelda game. Otherwise, Midna comes and goes, she's a one time character from one Zelda game, and unlike someone like Sheik, who was Zeldas alter ego, she had nothing to do with the Zelda timeline. Just like the king of red lions, the happy mask salesman, and Impa, they're not a recurring importance.
FINALLY!, someone who DOES'NT adore that little sh*t!
 

Komayto

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Because they like emos and listen to MCR.

But seriously, maybe it was just me, but I could not STAND Midna in Twilight Princess. Sure, she might've been the 'hero', but who got her *** handed to her at the end of the game? Midna. Who got her *** handed to her by Zant, who was the easiest battle ever? Midna. And who just gave off the emo goth feel in that entire game? You know it.

But besides that, Midna is a one time thing. Twilight Princess doesn't need any more representation than Ocarina of time and Wind Waker do, it's the Zelda franchise being represented here, and who better to represent than characters that appear in multiple games. Hence, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, and possibly Vaati if he ends up being the villain in another Zelda game. Otherwise, Midna comes and goes, she's a one time character from one Zelda game, and unlike someone like Sheik, who was Zeldas alter ego, she had nothing to do with the Zelda timeline. Just like the king of red lions, the happy mask salesman, and Impa, they're not a recurring importance.
Er, I'm alright with you saying you don't like her, but how the hell is she emo? At all?
I always thought I was quick to label characters as "emo", but I don't get this one.

And yes, she did get herself beaten by them, but so what? They managed to make me actually care if a character was alive or dead and this is pretty rare. I'd say she was a wonderfully made character. And it's not like other SSB characters have never had their moments of weakness as well. Let's see, Peach gets kidnapped by someone as dumb as Bowser all the time. Did that decrease her chances of getting in Smash Bros? Of course we can't say that for sure, but I doubt it. A lot.
Eh, whatever, we're talking about personal opinions here anyway and it seems that Midna is generally liked, so yeah.

About her being a one time only thing, I see what you mean, but keep in mind that TP is the latest mainstream Zelda game and that she is the real star of the game, which is obviously intentional.
The Zelda part of Melee's roster was all about Ocarina of Time. It even had Sheik and Young Link, in addition to Ganon's human form who had only been in Ocarina. If TWW had been made before SSBM, I'm fairly certain that Link and Zelda would have had their TWW looks while the likes of Sheik wouldn't have gotten in the game in the first place. So I don't really think it matters much.
 

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Because they like emos and listen to MCR.

But seriously, maybe it was just me, but I could not STAND Midna in Twilight Princess. Sure, she might've been the 'hero', but who got her *** handed to her at the end of the game? Midna. Who got her *** handed to her by Zant, who was the easiest battle ever? Midna. And who just gave off the emo goth feel in that entire game? You know it.

But besides that, Midna is a one time thing. Twilight Princess doesn't need any more representation than Ocarina of time and Wind Waker do, it's the Zelda franchise being represented here, and who better to represent than characters that appear in multiple games. Hence, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, and possibly Vaati if he ends up being the villain in another Zelda game. Otherwise, Midna comes and goes, she's a one time character from one Zelda game, and unlike someone like Sheik, who was Zeldas alter ego, she had nothing to do with the Zelda timeline. Just like the king of red lions, the happy mask salesman, and Impa, they're not a recurring importance.

Yeah, how dare Midna get beaten. It's kinda stupid how a video game forces you to beat the bosses. Craziness I say. Link being forced to defeat Ganondorf and Zant alone? Simply absurd.

And for the record, Midna DID kill Zant.

How do you know Midna is a one time thing. She's only had the oppertunity to be in one game, and several characters from the Zelda series have shown up in other games. You speak of Impa? She appeared in OOT, Oracle of ages AND seasons, and her descendant appears in Twilight Princess (Impaz.) And if you want to get down to the real nitty gritty, Impa is mentioned in the manuals of both the original Legend of Zelda AND the Adventure of Link.

Tingle (undeserving though he is) has appeared in Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, 4 Swords, and is currently being introduced into a game of his own (thankfully only in Japan.)

Happy Mask Salesman was in OOT, MM, and both Oracle Games.

Even the Great Deku Tree, who died in his first appearence in OOT, still managed to make it into Wind Waker.

So the possibility of Midna, an extremely popular character despite her recent debut, appearing in another Zelda is FAR from unlikely. In fact, if they were to include her in Brawl, there's no doubt in my mind she'd be in the next console Zelda game.

Who knows. She might even show up in Phantom Hourglass.


*EDIT* and as for that Emo comment of yours, what's the one thing Midna does to signal you to use her? She laughs.
 

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Phantom Hourglass is the direct sequel to wind waker so her chances of being in that one are pretty much zero. Midna isn't going to be in brawl if a new zelda character gets added it will be either skull kid or Vaati.
 

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Yes but does it really matter? The fact is Midna is too new to get a spot.
1. Yes.

2. Too new? As I recall that didn't stop Pichu from getting a spot in Melee. Pokemon Gold was released in the US on October 15 2000. Melee was released in the US on December 3rd 2001.

Conversely:

Twilight Princess was released in the US on November 19th 2006. Brawl will probably be released December of 2007.

For both of these games, there will be slightly over a one year difference between the premeire of a character and thier inclusion in Brawl.

And don't get me started on new. Roy was put in Brawl BEFORE his game FE 6 was even released.
 

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Midna (alone) Moveset:

A Combo- Taps opponents with small bursts of Twili Magic (TM)
Running A- Headbutt
^A- Quick upward jab w/ small TM
vA- Low kick w/ small TM

A Smash- Dashes forward surrounded by TM
^A Smash- Upward jab w/ burst of TM
vA Smash- Fire burst of TM at ground, hitting enemies on both sides up

A Aerial- is surrounded by TM
A Smash Aerial- Spikes down w/ TM
^A Aerial- kicks upwards w/ TM
vA Aerial- fires balls of TM downward

B- charges ball of TM
B Smash- fires small beam of TM (very short attack)
^B- Teleport
vB- leaps up sligtly and fires large ball of TM straight down (explosive)

Super Smash Attack- Fused Shadows Midna (need I say more?)

This is a moveset for Midna in her true form (human form if you will).
Tried to create something a bit more original than what is seen in the game, while staying true to her style (twilight, Darkness etc.)

Special Attacks:

B- A projectile ball of Twili Magic that may be charged and fired straight ahead (think Mewtwo and Samus). Fairly reliable attack though slow to charge.

Smash B-Midna Raises her arm and creates a sword of Twili Magic which she then slashes several times in front of her, very graceful and difficult to dodge at close range.

Down B-Midna gets on her knees and and hits the ground with open palms, yelling an incantation in her TP voice, Spikes of Twili magic rise from the ground inflicting great damage on nearby opponents. If triggered in the air Midna will hasten her descent and perform the attack upon landing. Also if any opponents are snared on her descent they will be caught by Midna and slammed down to be right in the middle of her attack causing extra damage.

Up B-Midna shouts and disappears in a burst of Twilight magic only to reappear at a further desired point , Very Mewtwo-esque. Quick, easy to control and even a handy evasive move, but cannot damage opponents.



Smash Attacks:


Smash-Midna pulls her arm back as if to "charge" an attack, on release she Thrusts her arm forward and creates her Twili Sword in a single powerful thrust attack. Very powerful with great potential to KO an enemy.

Smash Down-Midna lowers herself and creates a circle of Twilight on the ground around her. Fast, but short range and only hurts enemies on the ground, low damage but good KO ability.

Smash Up-Midna creates a circle of twilight above her, Pretty much the same as Down only above her rather than below.

SUPER SMASH:

On aquiring a smash emblem Midna summons up all her power into her sword of Twilight, she then unleashes all her Twili magic in the form of a massive dark cloud to be expelled all around her, any opponents caught by this attack will be cursed and will move slower and be made weaker. Does not inflict damage. lasts for about 20 seconds, great opportunity to KO.

Taunt: Midna spins around once then pushes her hair back with a relaxed Sigh.

Other notes:

Midnas power comes from technique not from muscle, all of her attacks including throws are done in a stylish almost dance like matter. In the hands of a pro she can be the most unpredictable character in the game. She also uses a lot of combo attacks.

Midna is a light and quick character with low attack power, any decent amount of damage from her will come from combos in basic attacks and some special attacks.

Her emblem is the broken piece of the fused shadow that she wore exclusively throughout the game.
Victory theme is a redone shortened version of "Midna's Theme".

Even though I'm aware of the game difference I feel her Theme should be "Dark World" from alttp.
 

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1. Yes.

2. Too new? As I recall that didn't stop Pichu from getting a spot in Melee. Pokemon Gold was released in the US on October 15 2000. Melee was released in the US on December 3rd 2001.

Conversely:

Twilight Princess was released in the US on November 19th 2006. Brawl will probably be released December of 2007.

For both of these games, there will be slightly over a one year difference between the premeire of a character and thier inclusion in Brawl.

And don't get me started on new. Roy was put in Brawl BEFORE his game FE 6 was even released.
1. I don't see how

2. Pichu was put in for the sake of having more characters. We don't know when brawl will come out for all we know it could come out in 2008. Roy was put in to advertise his game.
 

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The emo thing was a joke, don't take it to heart kids.

BUT, let's break this down.

Wind Waker is after Twilight Princess, and lo to behold, no sign of Midna or Zant? =O

Happy Mask salesman was a SALESMAN in OoT, and was a a semi-important character in Majoras Mask, which as I recall is right after OoT, no? Also, he wasn't an important character in MM, or the Oracle games.

The Deku tree left a child after he died in OoT, unless you forgot. :p That child, more than likely, was the new Deku tree in WW.

As for Midna, I disagree. Sure, she may be 'popular' in one game, but that doesn't mean she HAS to be on the next Zelda release. Why do I say this? Sheik. Sheik was a popular character in OoT, but the female ninja hasn't made an appearance on the Zelda series since OoT, her former ego, Zelda, has of course. Just because Midna is 'popular', doesn't mean she'll be in the next release of the game. And besides that, what does the Twilight story have anything to do with future Zelda releases? Nothing I bet. If Midna is shown for the trailer of the new Zelda game for the Wii, which they said will be nothing like former Zelda games, then I stand corrected. She's still not a good choice for Brawl, but you proved me wrong on her further appearances.

Impa is also for the most part unimportant in all the stories. Let's throw in Saria while we're at it. >.>

No matter how you want to see it, Midna is just a bigger version of Navi or Tatl. There's only one character I can think of with a viable moveset, importance, and appearance in the Zelda series outside of the obvious 3, and that's Vaati.

And don't get me started on new. Roy was put in Brawl BEFORE his game FE 6 was even released.
And in the end, the FE char who's had no new games in his favor ended up being more popular. Midna only has a fanbase going for her, like Toad, she's not the Smash bros genre character.
 

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Wind Waker is after Twilight Princess, and lo to behold, no sign of Midna or Zant? =O
Yet there was sign of Tingle, who existed centuries before WW, back with the original Link. Besides, how could Nintendo include characters in WW who didn't exist yet?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Midna will Be in Phanotm Hourglass. I only said it was possible. But I do think she will be in more Zelda games.

Happy Mask salesman was a SALESMAN in OoT, and was a a semi-important character in Majoras Mask, which as I recall is right after OoT, no? Also, he wasn't an important character in MM, or the Oracle games.
That's irrelevant. The point is he was in the games, therefore Midna can continue to appear in games, either as a random NPC shopowner character, or perhaps for other reasons. (See Tingle.)

The Deku tree left a child after he died in OoT, unless you forgot. :p That child, more than likely, was the new Deku tree in WW.
And no two Links appear in more than two Zelda games. You don't think there can be descendants or ancestors of Midna, who just happen to share the same name? If Princess Zelda can do it, than So can Princess Midna.

As for Midna, I disagree. Sure, she may be 'popular' in one game, but that doesn't mean she HAS to be on the next Zelda release. Why do I say this? Sheik. Sheik was a popular character in OoT, but the female ninja hasn't made an appearance on the Zelda series since OoT, her former ego, Zelda, has of course. Just because Midna is 'popular', doesn't mean she'll be in the next release of the game. And besides that, what does the Twilight story have anything to do with future Zelda releases? Nothing I bet. If Midna is shown for the trailer of the new Zelda game for the Wii, which they said will be nothing like former Zelda games, then I stand corrected. She's still not a good choice for Brawl, but you proved me wrong on her further appearances.
No, she doesn't have to be in the next Zelda release. But I'd be willing to bet money that Twilight Princess will not be her only Zelda game. It may take a year, it may take a decade, but Midna's popularity is sure to land her in another Zelda game, even if it's just a cameo.

As for the Twili in future Zelda games, how many times has the Zelda series used a Dark World in its game? I know they did it in A Link to the Past, in fact, many fans ask why Link transformed into a Wolf instead of a pink bunny, Link's awakening could be considered a dream world, OOT had a bad future or "dark" world.

As for a Brawl character, I think Midna would be a wonderful choice. She has powers that only she can use, she's not the same size as the other characters (in Imp form) and she represents the new Zelda games. And besides, she's popular! You honestly believe she's less important than Skull Kid? That's disappointing.

Impa is also for the most part unimportant in all the stories. Let's throw in Saria while we're at it. >.>
The only reason I used Impa was to prove that Zelda characters can make several appearences in games. And personally, I'd love to see Saria in Brawl, but I know she has almost no chance.

No matter how you want to see it, Midna is just a bigger version of Navi or Tatl. There's only one character I can think of with a viable moveset, importance, and appearance in the Zelda series outside of the obvious 3, and that's Vaati.
Now that's just ignorant, especially coming from someone who admitted they hadn't played the game. Navi and Tatl are just devices used to tel you how to kill enemies. In short, they're tutorial. Midna on the other hand plays a vital role in the story, develops both as a character along with her interactions with Link, and actually helps you to fight enemies. She isn't a stoic or static character who you can ignore for half the game. This, along with her personality, are what draw fans to her.


And in the end, the FE char who's had no new games in his favor ended up being more popular. Midna only has a fanbase going for her, like Toad, she's not the Smash bros genre character.
I don't get what you're saying here about fire Emblem. As for Midna, sometimes a fanbase is the only thing you need. It worked wonders for Ness. And define a Smash Brother's Genre character. Solid Snake didn't seem to fit the genre but he's in now.
 

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Yet there was sign of Tingle, who existed centuries before WW, back with the original Link. Besides, how could Nintendo include characters in WW who didn't exist yet?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Midna will Be in Phanotm Hourglass. I only said it was possible. But I do think she will be in more Zelda games.
Tingle is a strange case on his own. o.O; Also, that's never stopped Nintendo, the entire Zelda timeline is confusing.

That's your opinion, not anything factual. I do not think she'll be in more games after Twilight Princess, because she simply seems like she was a one time thing. If you think about it, Midna is the same as the Minish Cap, but we're most likely not gonna see the MC again.

That's irrelevant. The point is he was in the games, therefore Midna can continue to appear in games, either as a random NPC shopowner character, or perhaps for other reasons. (See Tingle.)
So her appearing as a random NPC character with no importance means she should be in Brawl..? Also, Tingle is the type of character that 'can' be re-used as a comic relief. Midna was a big part of Twilight Princess, so unless they return to the TP story, how can you really use Midna for anything else later on?

And no two Links appear in more than two Zelda games. You don't think there can be descendants or ancestors of Midna, who just happen to share the same name? If Princess Zelda can do it, than So can Princess Midna.
Touche', but it seems highly unlikely in my view. This being opinion of course.

No, she doesn't have to be in the next Zelda release. But I'd be willing to bet money that Twilight Princess will not be her only Zelda game. It may take a year, it may take a decade, but Midna's popularity is sure to land her in another Zelda game, even if it's just a cameo.

As for the Twili in future Zelda games, how many times has the Zelda series used a Dark World in its game? I know they did it in A Link to the Past, in fact, many fans ask why Link transformed into a Wolf instead of a pink bunny, Link's awakening could be considered a dream world, OOT had a bad future or "dark" world.

As for a Brawl character, I think Midna would be a wonderful choice. She has powers that only she can use, she's not the same size as the other characters (in Imp form) and she represents the new Zelda games. And besides, she's popular! You honestly believe she's less important than Skull Kid? That's disappointing.
Paragraph 1: A cameo as what? Maybe she does land a spot being a random NPC. (Cause you know the Twilight Princess fits perfectly as a shop owner.) but again, in my opinion I don't see it happening in an important role-wise, and a shop owner or just a random character in the game isn't really enough to merit a Smash Bros position.

Paragraph 2: Yes, but everytime it's a different name, and a different view of the 'dark world', what makes you think the Twilight story is here to stay when none of them have really stayed slanted to stone?

Paragraph 3: Midna represents ONE new Zelda game. Also, saying she could have a wonderful moveset that no one else has is vague. Just about every character out through video game history could have a unique moveset, she's no different. And I like Skull Kid better than Midna, as my own opinion. But, no, I believe Vaati is more popular and important than Midna is. Midna is just hype, 5 years from now you wouldn't be saying the same thing about her as you are now, because she'd just be a dead memory of a character. Also, Ness was the main character of his game.

The only reason I used Impa was to prove that Zelda characters can make several appearences in games. And personally, I'd love to see Saria in Brawl, but I know she has almost no chance.
Many characters can make several appearances in Zelda games, but not all of them should get to get in. x.x

Now that's just ignorant, especially coming from someone who admitted they hadn't played the game. Navi and Tatl are just devices used to tel you how to kill enemies. In short, they're tutorial. Midna on the other hand plays a vital role in the story, develops both as a character along with her interactions with Link, and actually helps you to fight enemies. She isn't a stoic or static character who you can ignore for half the game. This, along with her personality, are what draw fans to her.
I did play the game, Numa hasn't. >_>
Midna is the same, you just get like one extra attack with the wolf, but otherwise, it's just another fairy. You can see it however you want. I thought she was annoying.

I don't get what you're saying here about fire Emblem. As for Midna, sometimes a fanbase is the only thing you need. It worked wonders for Ness. And define a Smash Brother's Genre character. Solid Snake didn't seem to fit the genre but he's in now.
Snake and Ness were the MAIN CHARACTERS of their game. Also, Hideo asked Sakurai to put Snake in. I haven't heard word of someone begging him to put Midna in, so it's obviously not the same story.
 

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Skull kid is in three games one as a side quest but the other two he has important roles.
Not this again...:urg:

First of all, even if you count Majora's Mask, he only appears once as a Major character. In OOT, there are only two roles he plays. 1. He buys the skull mask from you (and thus becomes the Skull Kid. 2. If you play Saria's Song for him in the Lost Woods, he'll give you a heart piece. Neither of these are required to beat the game.

In Twilight Princess, all you do is chase him around the woods so he'll open the temple of time for you. That's it. Hardly worthy of being considered an "important role.

And then there's Majora's Mask. The only Role Skull Kid actually plays is that of a mischevious bully who puts on a mask. That's it. From then on until the end of the game, it is Majora's Mask and NOT Skull Kid who plays an important role in the game. Even on top of the clock tower, Majora's Mask refers to his body as a puppet. Skull Kid has no control of his actions during this time, no free will, and no ability to control the world around him. All he does is remove the mask near the end of the game (leaving himself unconscious, and you to fight Majora's Mask.) So throughout the game, he's either finding the mask, putting it on, being controlled, taking it off, falling unconscious, and thanking you at the end of the game. That's it.

Think about it. The game is called Majora's Mask because it center's around the mask. Not Skull Kid Himself.

Twilight Princess focuses on the Twilight Princess. Though you haven't played the game, I'm sure you know who that is by now.

Now tell me, how is Skull Kid more important than Midna?
 

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I don't want to double post, but I don't think I have a choice.

Tingle is a strange case on his own. o.O; Also, that's never stopped Nintendo, the entire Zelda timeline is confusing.
Some creature created in 2006 could not appear in a game created in 2002. That's a fact unless you've unravled the mystery of time travel. This has nothing to do with the Zelda timeline.

That's your opinion, not anything factual. I do not think she'll be in more games after Twilight Princess, because she simply seems like she was a one time thing. If you think about it, Midna is the same as the Minish Cap, but we're most likely not gonna see the MC again.
True. It is my opinion. But it is your opinion that she will not be in any more Zelda game. The point is that right now, at the very least, Midna is the Zelda Flavor of the month. The characters in the Zelda series (or Link at least) is dressed in thier TP outfits in Brawl. Logically, that means Twilight Princess characters have a good chance of appearing in Brawl. And who's the main character outside of Link in Twilight Princess?


So her appearing as a random NPC character with no importance means she should be in Brawl..? Also, Tingle is the type of character that 'can' be re-used as a comic relief. Midna was a big part of Twilight Princess, so unless they return to the TP story, how can you really use Midna for anything else later on?
Absolutely not. I don't think any Zelda games outside of MAYBE Phantom Hourglass are going to be released before Brawl. I'm just saying I don't think Midna's going to just be in one game. As for using her later on, Did anyone expect to use the Goron later on? The Zoras? Kokiri? There's always the possibility of a "ghost town" or "Twilight town" appearing in Brawl. Hell, they had a ghost town in Zelda II. There are plenty of possibilities.



Paragraph 1: A cameo as what? Maybe she does land a spot being a random NPC. (Cause you know the Twilight Princess fits perfectly as a shop owner.) but again, in my opinion I don't see it happening in an important role-wise, and a shop owner or just a random character in the game isn't really enough to merit a Smash Bros position.
Her future Zelda appearences aren't likely to happen before Brawl. It's her reception after TP that's going to get her in. Shiek made it didn't she? And like you said, she was only in one game.

Paragraph 2: Yes, but everytime it's a different name, and a different view of the 'dark world', what makes you think the Twilight story is here to stay when none of them have really stayed slanted to stone?
See above. Just because the Twilight realm is a different dimension in TP, doesn't mean it will be in other games. There are dozens of loopholes or scenarios Nintendo could use to have Minda come back in other games because you're right, the Zelda universe isn't set in stone. Just remember Midna's last words in TP. "See you later."

Paragraph 3: Midna represents ONE new Zelda game. Also, saying she could have a wonderful moveset that no one else has is vague. Just about every character out through video game history could have a unique moveset, she's no different. And I like Skull Kid better than Midna, as my own opinion. But, no, I believe Vaati is more popular and important than Midna is. Midna is just hype, 5 years from now you wouldn't be saying the same thing about her as you are now, because she'd just be a dead memory of a character. Also, Ness was the main character of his game.
But right now, Midna is important. We have seen some of the tricks she can do with her Twili Powers in game (through cutscenes and otherwise.) And yes it's possible we could forget about her in 5 years (EXTREMELY doubtful considering we all still remember Aghanim,) but there's an equal chance she could, as I've been saying, appear in future titles. If the Goron race, Zora Race, and Kokiri Race can all come back, why not the Twili race?



Many characters can make several appearances in Zelda games, but not all of them should get to get in. x.x
I agree. But I believe Midna should. This is my opinion. Personally, I don't think Tingle, Vaati, or Skull Kid should make it in.



I did play the game, Numa hasn't. >_>
Midna is the same, you just get like one extra attack with the wolf, but otherwise, it's just another fairy. You can see it however you want. I thought she was annoying.
Tatl and Navi didn't have anything near the importance Midna did in regards to thir story. You thought she was annoying. Fine. But even you must admit that the importance of Midna was far more important in Twilight Princess than Navi was in OOT or Tatl was in MM.



Snake and Ness were the MAIN CHARACTERS of their game. Also, Hideo asked Sakurai to put Snake in. I haven't heard word of someone begging him to put Midna in, so it's obviously not the same story.
First of all, it can be argued the Midna was the main character of Twilight Princess. She had a problem. She had a change of personality over the course of the game. And she helped to solve the problem. But that's not the point. She fits the Genre of Super Smash Brothers because she is a fictional Nintendo character that most fans seem to like. That's all you need to get in. If an 8 inch pink puff ball, a futuristic bounty hunter, a mustached plumber, an Angel with a bow, and a bipedal canine pilot can all fit the genre of a game, why can't a cute little imp with a mischevious streak get in too?

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Everything you just mentioned was more than what Midna's done in that one game.
No. No it isn't.


Numa Dude said:
In MM skull kid was being MANIPULATED not controlled by the mask. In TP if he didn't take you to the temple you couldn't get the sword we all know and love.
Majora's Mask directly refers to Skull Kid as a puppet. And manipulated or not, Majora's Mask is Link's enemy, not Skull Kid which is why the two become friends in the ending.

And if the Monkey didn't lead you through the lost woods in OOT, you wouldn't have been able to get to the forest Temple. Congratulations. Skull Kid is as important as the white monkey.
 
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