BirthNote
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Tags In is pretty clever, I like that actually. I'd be down to have a tournament with you guys if we get the Third Hero. :D
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The Original Girl With the Whirl: Dixie Kong Support Thread
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Crabman
Smash Apprentice
So it was pretty crazy that we got Roy and Ryu completely out of the blue like that. It got me thinking though, what do you guys think Dixie's chances of being a pre-ballot character are?
I personally think that they're pretty low, but as yesterday proved - you just never know. The data miners that found out about Roy and Ryu early also found 2 more blank slots added - I wonder who they could be, maybe we'll find out at E3
I personally think that they're pretty low, but as yesterday proved - you just never know. The data miners that found out about Roy and Ryu early also found 2 more blank slots added - I wonder who they could be, maybe we'll find out at E3
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Reds94
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Well it seems like they like doing a "clone-ish" character and a unique character. Mewtwo with Lucas announcement, Ryu with Roy. If they keep that pattern it could be something like K.Rool and Dixie as a Diddy semi-clone, though I imagine Wolf would come first. She was planned for Brawl though so if Wolf is finished she'd be next in line assuming Pichu and Young Link are dead.
Speaking of that, how would you guys feel if Dixie was added as a Diddy semi-clone? Inkling got added as a costume and while it would of been cool to have them as a full fledged character I think this is the next best thing and it was done really well. I feel like if Dixie was just a Diddy clone I'd still be happy if they did her well but how would you guys feel?
Speaking of that, how would you guys feel if Dixie was added as a Diddy semi-clone? Inkling got added as a costume and while it would of been cool to have them as a full fledged character I think this is the next best thing and it was done really well. I feel like if Dixie was just a Diddy clone I'd still be happy if they did her well but how would you guys feel?
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
I would be cool with that, I find Diddy's play style pretty fun, so I'd be cool with a semi clone - as long as she gets her own character spot on the CSS and doesn't get the Alph treatment.
BirthNote
Smash Master
I gotta be honest, I never liked the idea of Dixie being a clone of Diddy. Maybe I got carried away with moveset ideas, but I always felt she had what it takes to stand out and be her own character, and I've ranted plenty of times about it.It'd be strange to get a brand new character who turns out to be based on someone we already have, and if they could throw a curveball by making Bowser Jr., the most obvious clone candidate unique, I would at least hope they could do the same for Dixie.
I'd begrudgingly take a Wolf-level clone but that's pushing it IMO. :/
I'd begrudgingly take a Wolf-level clone but that's pushing it IMO. :/
Reds94
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I can agree with that. If she got Wolf levels on her A moves and at least got her helicopter hair as her Up B I'd be okay with it. The banana, monkey flip and bubble gum popgun would fit her alright. Of course I'd love for her to be completely unique but if it's that or nothing I wouldn't mind that one bit.
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Am pretty certain Sakurai would make Dixie a semi-clone of Diddy. She'll probably be a lot floatier though, so it'll still give her her unique atributes. So am not too worried personally.
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
To be honest I'd be happy if she just got in, there's a lot of competition and who knows how many slots are left.
VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
Yeah I am 100% with Birthnote on this one. I would be completely heartbroken if she was added as a Diddy clone. She has so much potential to play as her own unique character. Which is why it was so easy for me to make a moveset for her that has nothing in common with diddy's at all... And that moveset wasn't even ALL of my ideas for her. I mean I still remember when people thought
would be a clone of I guess because they are both princess like characters, have crowns, wear dresses? etc. Or the example birthnote used is also a good one. I mean visual similarities shouldn't mean crap! Dixie can definitely be her own character and if Sakurai does put her in as a Diddy clone he should be ashamed of himself because that would be the perfect middle finger to the DK series he loves to ignore anyways. Like @
SethTheMage
said Dixie has has paid her dues and IMO like 3 times over at that. She doesn't deserve the clone treatment at all. On another note if that's the route they decide to go with it I'd feel pretty embarrassed for her then go join Falcondorf fan's in their misery. Then I'd probably get over it and use her anyways because something is better than nothing.
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and are very good examples VeemonTamer. I'm using those two characters as example to for why Impa wouldn't be similar to Sheik at all.Yet, I cannot deny that both characters do have the potential to end up as say,
. I wouldn't be exactly heart-broken from it, as obviously, Diddy is my #1 main character so having Dixie around to keep Diddy's style more fresh, that'd be appriciated to. But honestly, I want Dixie as unique as possible. I don't have 100% faith in that Sakurai would do that, but if he can give us Dixie because she's easier to make as a Diddy semi-clone, I'd take that gladly over no Dixie at all!
dangeraaron10
Smash Master
If it helps, I'm pretty sure Dixie is up there with K. Rool, Isaac, and Bandanna Dee in terms of popularity.
There's always the chance of Dixie and K. Rool being a bundle package with a glorious Gangplank Galleon stage!
I can dream. If we had a Dixie/Rool/Galleon Stage pack it would be the ultimate love letter to the DK series. I'd be fine with Dixie and K Rool, and yet still with just one of those characters.
As a recent fan of Tropical Freeze, Dixie is the one I'd always use over Diddy and Cranky, that extra jump height makes her feel much more useful than Diddy in that game, and I can never time Cranky's pogo stick right. After using Dixie so much she felt like a great companion to DK and wished she was here.
There's always the chance of Dixie and K. Rool being a bundle package with a glorious Gangplank Galleon stage!
I can dream. If we had a Dixie/Rool/Galleon Stage pack it would be the ultimate love letter to the DK series. I'd be fine with Dixie and K Rool, and yet still with just one of those characters.
As a recent fan of Tropical Freeze, Dixie is the one I'd always use over Diddy and Cranky, that extra jump height makes her feel much more useful than Diddy in that game, and I can never time Cranky's pogo stick right. After using Dixie so much she felt like a great companion to DK and wished she was here.
VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
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Diddy Kong
Well thinking about it now, I wouldn't be too too devastated if she ended up like . In the end something is better than nothing. I feel like in Brawl he was pretty different from and . I could Kick fox/falco's behinds for DAYS in brawl but as soon as someone broke Wolf out it was game over for me. It was hard to read his movements for some odd reason (probably because I didn't actually own brawl) So he must not have been THAT much of a clone to give me that much trouble.
Even tho I suffered from high blood pressure due to the massive amounts of saltplayers gave me back in brawl I really want to see him back in 4. Waiting on it!
Diddy Kong
Well thinking about it now, I wouldn't be too too devastated if she ended up like . In the end something is better than nothing. I feel like in Brawl he was pretty different from and . I could Kick fox/falco's behinds for DAYS in brawl but as soon as someone broke Wolf out it was game over for me. It was hard to read his movements for some odd reason (probably because I didn't actually own brawl) So he must not have been THAT much of a clone to give me that much trouble. Even tho I suffered from high blood pressure due to the massive amounts of salt
players gave me back in brawl I really want to see him back in 4. Waiting on it! I often thought of this myself. Tho it's just a theory with no proof behind it. Dixie may be doing better in the ballot than polls suggest. Most "who did you vote for in the ballot" polls only let you vote 1 character so of course people are going to vote for their #1 top. To my understanding most people including myself want both Dixie and K Rool. (Honestly I will be somewhat pissed if one get's in without the other regardless of which one we get. DK series as a whole deserves so much more.) So even tho people are voting 1 character in the polls who's to say that they didn't vote both in the ballot? Or at least I would optimistically like to think that's hows it's working out.
And yeah I 100% agree that bundle pack would be absolutely amazing and would make up for all the neglect Sakurai has shown the DK series! I am still playing tropical freeze and Dixie is the most useful one to me. Not because she is my favorite character but because I just really find her useful! Sometimes I even play on SUPER HARD MODE. Forgive me for being so cruel but I'll kill player 1 off so I can play only as Dixie with player 2. The closest to DKC2 i'm going to get. >.> Tropical Freeze was not made for a 2 hit life bar. lol.
BirthNote
Smash Master
I found this link via tv tropes in regards to another character and couldn't help but notice The Girl With the Whirl on it: http://i.imgur.com/7NYL9nB.png
What do y'all make of it?
What do y'all make of it?
DixieJiggly
Smash Cadet
I agree with many of you, I prefer to Dixie as its own character because he has so much potential and also that would help you to get popularity and come back in the next Smash, but if the only way Sakurai wants to put Dixie is like a clone Diddy because I prefer that than not this, whatever it is I want to Dixie Smash anyway, I'll be very disappointed and frustrated if not with the help of the DLC fails inside, waiting is making me eternal, seems an impossible dream to see in Smash Dixie, always put anyone in her place
VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
Interesting... I didn't know there was a follow up to the original results. Its a continuation of that Japanese DLC perception research project. I'll look more into when I get off work I can't think of the user who put that together right off the top of my head at the moment.
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
To be honest I'd be happy if she just got in, there's a lot of competition and who knows how many slots are left.
Well she's solidly more popular than Ridley at this point and she's the most relevant of the top 3 newcomers on that list, which is good. Still you never know what direction Sakurai will go with the remaining dlc, which I doubt is a whole lot at this point.
BirthNote
Smash Master
I would guess we have 4 more slots to go at this point: 2 being from the data mine you mentioned and the ballot winners, leaving us at 6. It's not much I agree but I'd be satisfied with this.
Godzillathewonderdog
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Honestly think she's the most deserving character along with K. Rool. She deserves more love.
Babycowland
Smash Journeyman
Hi there, I voted for Dixie just now. I'm not sure if my ballot helped much, but I really would like to see her make it in. She has a ton of playable appearances that in my mind provide plenty of material for a Smash moveset (as shown in the mock ones already posted in this thread) and has enough distinct personality and character traits to give her the potential to be much more than a Diddy clone.
It seems like DK's relative lack of new stuff in Smash 4 has been mentioned on these boards a lot, so I'll not dwell on that too much. Suffice it to say that I really enjoyed Tropical Freeze and believe that DK deserves more content. Of the potential DK newcomers, Dixie is probably the one I'd most like to play.
On top of all of that, I think it would be nice to have more female characters in Smash, especially since there haven't been any new female fighters announced in a long time. Dixie seems to me like a natural choice for the next female newcomer and I feel like she would be both unique and fun to play in her own right and help boost representation for currently underrepresented groups in Smash.
It seems like DK's relative lack of new stuff in Smash 4 has been mentioned on these boards a lot, so I'll not dwell on that too much. Suffice it to say that I really enjoyed Tropical Freeze and believe that DK deserves more content. Of the potential DK newcomers, Dixie is probably the one I'd most like to play.
On top of all of that, I think it would be nice to have more female characters in Smash, especially since there haven't been any new female fighters announced in a long time. Dixie seems to me like a natural choice for the next female newcomer and I feel like she would be both unique and fun to play in her own right and help boost representation for currently underrepresented groups in Smash.
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Crabman
Smash Apprentice
I thought about that, and honestly I think the two extra slots that the data miners found are for the ballot. That's why they weren't named, nintendo is waiting to see who to add.
Of course I could easily be wrong, it's just my guess.
TheDarkKnightNoivern
Smash Master
Lucas, Roy and Ryu weren't named either and I seriously doubt they aren't planning Wolf for a pre-ballot character
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
Yes they were, the files were called Roy and Ryu, that's how we knew about them ahead of time.
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SethTheMage
Smash Ace
I wonder how many people are in that sample, and when it was tallied. Very interesting, though. Dixie doesn't seem to have too much competition over in Japan. We can already take Lucas/Roy off that list because they are already in, and I think that we can count the Ice Climbers out because of limitations. This means that Dixie is competing with K. Rool, Wolf, Snake, Pichu, and Krystal.
I'd say that K. Rool and Wolf are really likely to happen based on their support and Wolf's veteran status, but we don't know if those two extra fighter slots are all we are getting, or if there are more coming after them. Given this data, I'd say that if we have more than two DLC characters left, then Dixie has a good shot.
Ryu and Roy weren't named in the fighter data (both of them, Lucas, and the other two slots were found after Mewtwo and labelled as "Mario"), but they were found in the soundtrack files (Ryu had stage music and a victory theme, and Roy had a victory theme as well).
EDIT: Sorry, I realized that I completely restated your point. *facepalm*
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TheDarkKnightNoivern
Smash Master
No, we knew because of the sound files not the character files
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
Ok... the point remains the same. Victory themes weren't found for any other characters.
TheDarkKnightNoivern
Smash Master
They were probably just accidentally left in as they were closer to release, there's still 2 slots left and I'm 99% sure one of them is Wolf
Crabman
Smash Apprentice
I see wolf getting in too, but I could also see him being one of the two ballot characters. If they were going to release him pre-ballot they missed a huge opportunity at E3 when they were showing off starfox.
TheDarkKnightNoivern
Smash Master
They could show him in a star fox specific direct, also they added Lucas and Roy, 2 clones who's games only released in Japan. Sakruai went on record saying that that was a problem with adding Takamaru
VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
Hmmm? Interesting to see someone nominated "rerate Dixie" in the rate their chances thread. If she ever does get rerated think she would do better or worse than last time?
and derp just looked at the pic again and the user name I couldn't think of was @
PushDustIn
Also couldn't find the main article for this. =/
and derp just looked at the pic again and the user name I couldn't think of was @
PushDustIn
It's incomplete data. It even says (unfinished) on it. To see the full results, which has double the number of responses go here:Hmmm? Interesting to see someone nominated "rerate Dixie" in the rate their chances thread. If she ever does get rerated think she would do better or worse than last time?
Also couldn't find the main article for this. =/
and derp just looked at the pic again and the user name I couldn't think of was @
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/perception-of-smash-dlc-in-japan/
Please delete it from the Wiki and link to the full article.
BirthNote
Smash Master
Hi there, welcome to the thread! Thanks for sending a vote Dixie's way; we hope our votes for her lead to playability, and it's always great to have more votes in her favor!
Babycowland
Smash Journeyman
Dixie was rated back in April, right? I think it's kind of hard to say whether she'd do better than the 45.08% chance, 59.89% want rating she got before then since there haven't been any DK announcements (aside from Turbo Charge DK) from Nintendo or anything like the Roy/Ryu stuff found in the Mewtwo update. I guess it partly depends on what Dixie fans do.
I've gotten the impression that a lot of people see Dixie as having a realistic chance of making it into Smash. I think the fake leaks with Dixie in them are good evidence of that; the people making them presumably wanted the fake leaks to seem believable and wouldn't want to include a character that they thought was a long shot. That said, I guess there may be a difference between "character that Sakurai and co. would probably pick on their own for Smash" and "character that Sakurai and co. would choose based on the ballot," so I find it hard to predict what will happen next.
It seems to me like when Dixie was rated last time, there was a lot of talk about her competing with K. Rool. I've seen some of that talk in the K. Rool thread too and I guess there's some truth to it. But I don't think there's much value in dissing K. Rool fans or trying to persuade them to support Dixie as their #1 "DK rep" instead (a lot of them seem to want both anyway). I feel like it will probably be more productive to do our best to make a strong case for Dixie in our votes in the smash ballot and try to encourage people to support Dixie on her own merits rather than as the better DK newcomer.
Thanks for the welcome.
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SethTheMage
Smash Ace
I definitely agree, and I think most people in here do as well. K. Rool and Dixie aren't mutually exclusive; there's no evidence that says both of them can't make it in as DLC. Dixie has enough merits on her own to support her inclusion in Smash than just a "DK rep". She is iconic, she has senority, her ponytail alone gives her enough to work with for an interesting and unique moveset, and she has popularity (though, it may not be as much as other candidates). K. Rool has plenty of merits too. He's also iconic, he has overwhelming popularity worldwide, he has plenty of moveset potential, and he also has senority. Both characters have enough reasons to justify a spot on the roster, so it's pointless to argue over who is the better choice for a "DK rep". It's really frustrating to see people argue that Dixie has no chance because she is competing with K. Rool. It's very plausible that we could get both.
Jetmann
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I think that Dixie has made a big enough mark on her respective series and Nintendo as a whole to warrant a playable role in Smash. She definitely has the star power. That and more awesome female characters are always a good thing.
(But I really hope that at the very worst she would be a Wolf-style semi-clone)
Also, I really would want her to utilize the animal buddies or at least Ellie in some way, considering Donkey and Diddy don't use any of the animal buddies for attacks.
(But I really hope that at the very worst she would be a Wolf-style semi-clone)
Also, I really would want her to utilize the animal buddies or at least Ellie in some way, considering Donkey and Diddy don't use any of the animal buddies for attacks.
VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
Yooooo! Welcome to the thread @
Babycowland
! Thank you so much for the vote. It means so much! =D
But yeah i feel that can be our
(sorry for using "our" cant think of a better word to use. Just to be clear I am not "promoting" division in the DK community since the topic of Dixie/K Rool was being addressed from the rate thread)
Trump card this time around. Last time people were like "don't know enough about her/what is her significance/What could she possibly do/Diddy clone" this times we have a whole presentation all in one spot that shows her accomplishments, merits, moveset potential (which is still being added to) and much more. So far the campaign seems successful despite how small it is. More users have joined this support thread, been getting mail on the facebook site, people on DA have thrown in vote because it and I even had to buy bandwidth for the site due to high traffic!
So I cant wait for her rerate to really see the impact or true fruits of the campaign. If she dosent do better or she does worse then meh at least we tried.
Babycowland
! Thank you so much for the vote. It means so much! =DYeah, we haven't had any official DK news but we do have something that we didn't have last time. Our Campaign! The webpage is basically done. Except the "how to help page" I had it typed up then windows did a restart to update and the program I use to make the site does not auto save or do recovery files. Top grade rage quit situation there... I will eventually get back around to it.
But yeah i feel that can be our
(sorry for using "our" cant think of a better word to use. Just to be clear I am not "promoting" division in the DK community since the topic of Dixie/K Rool was being addressed from the rate thread)
Trump card this time around. Last time people were like "don't know enough about her/what is her significance/What could she possibly do/Diddy clone" this times we have a whole presentation all in one spot that shows her accomplishments, merits, moveset potential (which is still being added to) and much more. So far the campaign seems successful despite how small it is. More users have joined this support thread, been getting mail on the facebook site, people on DA have thrown in vote because it and I even had to buy bandwidth for the site due to high traffic!
So I cant wait for her rerate to really see the impact or true fruits of the campaign. If she dosent do better or she does worse then meh at least we tried.
Jetmann
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I really hope that if she gets in as DLC, then she'd come with either Grassland Groove or some sort of bramble stage.
And more DKC stages equals more DKC music, which you can never have too much of IMO.
And could I be added to the support list please?
And more DKC stages equals more DKC music, which you can never have too much of IMO.
And could I be added to the support list please?
SethTheMage
Smash Ace
Even if Dixie's scores don't change much in the next rating, she is still in the top 10 for both Chance and Want, along with Wolf, K. Rool, and Isaac. I think that has to count for something. I don't think she has a large hatebase, as much as she has a number of people who aren't interested in seeing her in Smash.
No problem. Updating now.
SethTheMage
Smash Ace
I think that's a very unlikely scenario. K. Rool has way too much going for him for Sakurai to ignore him this time, especially since he is directly asking the fans for their input on the DLC.
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You speak truth, I think. I just worry too much haha. Sakurai is a reasonable guy. I mostly trust he'll make the right choices in regards to DLC. Especially that he's given reasoning for including and excluding certain characters...he's got a good head on his shoulders.
As for Dixie...can we all agree the Bubblegum Popgun would make a good Neutral Special? What about her FS? Are we thinking it should be just like Diddy's but with twin Bubblegum Popguns and Pink rocketbarrels?