The Origin of Celebi

[Spire]

Unconfirmed of course, but I am completely serious about this. It dawned on me - a Pokemon that represents an equal cross between Link and Navi - Celebi, happens to have the power to travel through time, and is found deep in the woods in a shrine that represents a treehouse, reminiscent of Link's house in the Kokiri Forest.

Nintendo and its secondary developers have a history of referencing characters in their series. Look at Link's Awakening for the countless, blatant Mario references. Or Super Mario RPG, or The Donkey Kong Country games, or Kirby's "Sword" form (Link).

Thoughts?

 

[Greenstreet]

I like when games do that, like the Halo Battle Rifle in Fable 2.

 

[Wave⁂]

Fable 2 is filled lots of little easter eggs.

 

[Wrath`]

I wonder what mews combination was........................

Seem like a stretch to me, but it's a Nintendo way of refrencing.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I thought something was going on between them...

Why else would Link put up with all that "Hey, Look, Listen!"

 

[Clownbot]

I doubt it was done intentionally, but it's definitely a good observation.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

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This seems like one of those things you discover while you are on Drugs. :D

I fail to see how a Metrosexual Swordsman has any connection with a Time-Warping Fairy. And don't all Fairy look somewhat alike, with that pixie esq form?
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[PsychoIncarnate]

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This seems like one of those things you discover while you are on Drugs. :D

I fail to see how a Metrosexual Swordsman has any connection with a Time-Warping Fairy. And don't all Fairy look somewhat alike, with that pixie esq form?
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Well, Link does time travel, and has a fairy

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Well, Link does time travel, and has a fairy

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If we really want to be Anal about it, Link doesn't time Travel. The Master Swod froze him in the Sacred Realm, cared for by Rauru, until his body matured enough for him to be able to wield it properly (Could you Imagine Kid Link with the Hylian Shield and Master Sword? Ha). And Link comatose for 7 years would not be very fun to play, so they just kinda skipped that part of the game.

And Timmy Turner has Fairies. Should Celebi have buck Teeth?

But seriously, like the Telephone and Cartoons, this seems better appreciated on Drugs. And I still fail to see a connection between the Tights-Wearing, "Sword Playing", Tree House Living Boy with commitment issues and girl trouble who is incredibly metrosexual, and the Time Warping Grass Fairy. No Disrespect against Link (Oot was the best game in the world). It's just... dude, the Tights are gross....
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[Firus]

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(Could you Imagine Kid Link with the Hylian Shield and Master Sword? Ha).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Link wield the Hylian Shield in his younger form in OoT?

 

[StinkomanFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Link wield the Hylian Shield in his younger form in OoT?

Why yes, yes he could

 

[Circa]

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This seems like one of those things you discover while you are on Drugs. :D

I fail to see how a Metrosexual Swordsman has any connection with a Time-Warping Fairy. And don't all Fairy look somewhat alike, with that pixie esq form?
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As someone who's not and has never been on drugs, I can honestly say that you don't have to be on drugs to discover random things like this. Anyway, as for the connection between the two, there's actually even a bit of a connection in the art of them. Celebi's head is shaped a little like Link's hat, only tilted more upward so Celebi doesn't look dumb. Celebi's eyes are rather identical to Navi's body. Celebi's wings are basically the same shape as Navi's (although I do agree that the wings of Pixies and fairies sometimes do look alike, although not all the time). Now I will admit that this last bit is pretty far out there, but the green bottom half of Celebi's body almost seems to span out in a way that a dress would (starts at about midchest and flows down and diagonally outward and covers the legs completely), meaning it could carry a subtle reference to Link's tunic.

It's about as likely as it is unlikely, tbh. Although if I had to guess, Spire's probably right. Even if it wasn't meant to completely embody Link and Navi, it at least carries enough similarities to argue that the entire concept behind Celebi was based off of those two.

EDIT: For a last bit to add on; Celebi, although genderless, is depicted to look more feminine. Not too hard to link that to the idea of Link's metrosexuality if you ask me.

 

[Greenstreet]

^ Extremely well said. I definitely agree here, I am not sure it was done on person but the links (pun intended) definitely hold some sway.

 

[Firus]

It's not like no connection exists, but I doubt it was purposely made.

For that matter, I could say that Deoxys is a fusion of Samus and a Metroid because it's orange and humanoid like Samus, is a spatial being, as Samus travels through space, and has different forms, like Metroids.

(Of course, I know I'm going to be bombarded with "That's different"s, but it's not really.)

It's one thing to make a blatant reference like Samus "resting up for Mother Brain" in Super Mario RPG, but it's another thing entirely to base a creature on a fusion of two characters from another franchise. They're two totally different types of references, and this is much more far-fetched.

Again, there are definitely similarities and they are interesting to note, but to say that it's as equally likely as unlikely is stretching it. Coincidences happen, I could pull out even more examples of connections between a Pokemon and two characters from another franchise.

To sum up: Interesting? Yes. The real origin? Likely not.

 

[Mic_128]

For that matter, I could say that Deoxys is a fusion of Samus and a Metroid because it's orange and humanoid like Samus, is a spatial being, as Samus travels through space, and has different forms, like Metroids.

(Of course, I know I'm going to be bombarded with "That's different"s, but it's not really.)

It is. Celebii is a green fairy who lives in a forest who can travel through time. Link has a green fairy, wears green, lives in a forest and travels through time.

Deoxys is mutated Space DNA. Samus doesn't really fit in it other than "They're humanoid and red" Metroids don't fit either.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Link wield the Hylian Shield in his younger form in OoT?

Why yes, yes he could

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He COULD "wield" it, but he looks like a turtle. My brother and I pretended he was evolving into TURTLE LINK. Ha.

It is. Celebii is a green fairy who lives in a forest who can travel through time. Link has a green fairy, wears green, lives in a forest and travels through time.

If, by Time Travel, you mean "gets locked in a Time Capsule (not the techno ones, the LunchBox Type ones) and has to sit for 7 years", I agree.

Also, I don't think Navi is Green. I might be color blind, though. I'm not completely sure.

I'll say this, Nintendo is probably F*&%ing with our minds with these types of things, and there might be some what of a thought of a simularity between then. Again, like the Telephone, the Internet, the Television, and most Cartoons in the world, this is probably related to Drugs some how (this isn't an insult. The dude who invented the telephone, you know he was stoned out of his mind thinking of that. And look at Walt Disney! 'nuff said.).
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[WouW]

Ever played Majora's Mask? Link does time travel there, and a lot.

 

[Chill]

I think Firius nailed it.

This is stretching and/or drug induced "clarity".

 

[Firus]

Deoxys is mutated Space DNA. Samus doesn't really fit in it other than "They're humanoid and red" Metroids don't fit either.

And Samus has Chozo and Metroid DNA inside of her.

There, another connection.

I'm not going to pretend it fits that well, but neither does Celebi being a Link/Navi fusion.

 

[Spire]

What's with all the drug relation to this? The only absurdity I've seen in this thread is associating this theory with drugs. That's just pitiful.

 

[Greenstreet]

Walt Disney was secretly a sexist and a Natzi supporter was he not?
The sexist claim comes from University lecturers comments on his films, but thats way off topic.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Ever played Majora's Mask? Link does time travel there, and a lot.

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Wouw, you always gotta counter me, don't you? I think you enjoy it now.

He only did it once. I'll give him that. After that, any other time warps are only if the player isn't capable of beating it in those 3 days (insanely difficult to do, but so is most good things in life.

I still don't say he's a Time Traveler (or, if you really want to give him this, not as good one as anyone else who does it) just because he can do it once. If you get 1 home run, are you Babe Ruth? If you are 1 pound over wight, are you obese? If you win one time in Brawl, are you a champion? Not in my book.

But I'm kinda being a jerk right now. Sorry.... I just don't put Link in the same rank as Time Squad. I am a little more inclined to believe in a "let's **** with our fans" connectoral vibe now.

Edit: Spire, we are talking about linking Forest Swordsmen with Fairy Pixies and Time Warping Pocket Monsters. You honestly don't think someone wasn't smoking anything while coming up with these characters? And Green, I actually never believed the Sexist Claims. I heard the Nazi thing, but I'm not sure how I feel eitherway. But I do know that he had himself a little ... "Inspiration" ... much like most Cartoonists do (and most highschoolers that watch Cartoons).
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[M.K]

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(Zelda Fans please correct me if I'm wrong)
Can't it be inferred that Link was mysteriously warped to the worlds in which Oracle of Ages/Seasons took place? I remember that you just woke up among that traveling circus animal thing and figured he had just landed there.
I agree that this Celebi = Link correlation is quite far fetched, but it's not impossible for Game Freak to have modeled Pokemon after characters previously conceived (See: Probopass/Mario, Rotom/Pulseman, Remoraid/Gunfish).
However, it is more likely that Celebi is based off a wood nymph or dryad. The mysticism of such creatures attributes itself to the "Psychic-Type" it has, and thus, it's telekinetic quirk is Time Travel. (Just as Alakazam's telekinetic quirk is it's super intelligence)

 

[Pink Reaper]

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Wouw, you always gotta counter me, don't you? I think you enjoy it now.

He only did it once. I'll give him that. After that, any other time warps are only if the player isn't capable of beating it in those 3 days (insanely difficult to do, but so is most good things in life.

I still don't say he's a Time Traveler (or, if you really want to give him this, not as good one as anyone else who does it) just because he can do it once. If you get 1 home run, are you Babe Ruth? If you are 1 pound over wight, are you obese? If you win one time in Brawl, are you a champion? Not in my book.

But I'm kinda being a jerk right now. Sorry.... I just don't put Link in the same rank as Time Squad. I am a little more inclined to believe in a "let's **** with our fans" connectoral vibe now.

Edit: Spire, we are talking about linking Forest Swordsmen with Fairy Pixies and Time Warping Pocket Monsters. You honestly don't think someone wasn't smoking anything while coming up with these characters? And Green, I actually never believed the Sexist Claims. I heard the Nazi thing, but I'm not sure how I feel eitherway. But I do know that he had himself a little ... "Inspiration" ... much like most Cartoonists do (and most highschoolers that watch Cartoons).
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But that also WASN'T his first time time traveling. Dont forget in OoT he didn't just go forward in time, he could also go back. And in Majora's Mask he also had the ability to slow time and skip forward in time.

 

[StinkomanFan]

But that also WASN'T his first time time traveling. Dont forget in OoT he didn't just go forward in time, he could also go back. And in Majora's Mask he also had the ability to slow time and skip forward in time.

Ditto on Oracle of Ages/Seasons

 

[Mewter]

It's a cool thing you noticed this, though. If it's not an easter egg, then congratulations, Nintendo, you did a good thing.
This makes me want to name a Celebi "Link".

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And Samus has Chozo and Metroid DNA inside of her.

There, another connection.

I'm not going to pretend it fits that well, but neither does Celebi being a Link/Navi fusion.

I wonder if SAmus has half the galaxies DNA In her the way she dresses when she competes a mission...

Justin BAIley...

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

(Zelda Fans please correct me if I'm wrong)
Can't it be inferred that Link was mysteriously warped to the worlds in which Oracle of Ages/Seasons took place? I remember that you just woke up among that traveling circus animal thing and figured he had just landed there.

I wouldn't have thought of this being time travel. Just teleportation by the Triforce f*&^ing with Link.

I agree that this Celebi = Link correlation is quite far fetched, but it's not impossible for Game Freak to have modeled Pokemon after characters previously conceived (See: Probopass/Mario, Rotom/Pulseman, Remoraid/Gunfish).

Please remind me who Pulseman and Gunfish are. And I honestly do not see the Probopass Mario thing. Plus, Probopass is Hebrew. Mario is Italian.

But that also WASN'T his first time time traveling. Dont forget in OoT he didn't just go forward in time, he could also go back. And in Majora's Mask he also had the ability to slow time and skip forward in time.

Ditto on Oracle of Ages

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God I overlook the smallest details, and now I feel like a fool. HOW AM I SUPPOST TO GO TO COLLEGE LIKE THIS!?! ;.; Frigging Musical Instruments that mess up good plans. -.- Okay, okay. Link can be considered aTime Traveler, but still, I don't see him in the same class as Celebi on the subject (he has to use instruments, and can only go to specific points, not full on "LET'S VISIT JESUS IN OUR STOLEN HOVERCAR" time travel). And I still don't think that tight-tights boy and the fairy have any true relation, just a nice little Head-Screwing from Nintendo.

And I still think that if someone DID plan this, they were on pot while they were doing it....
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[Spire]

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God I overlook the smallest details, and now I feel like a fool. HOW AM I SUPPOST TO GO TO COLLEGE LIKE THIS!?! ;.; Frigging Musical Instruments that mess up good plans. -.- Okay, okay. Link can be considered aTime Traveler, but still, I don't see him in the same class as Celebi on the subject (he has to use instruments, and can only go to specific points, not full on "LET'S VISIT JESUS IN OUR STOLEN HOVERCAR" time travel). And I still don't think that tight-tights boy and the fairy have any true relation, just a nice little Head-Screwing from Nintendo.

And I still think that if someone DID plan this, they were on pot while they were doing it....
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I'm getting really tired of you.

1. Please stop posting with the flaming smilies and yellow text.

2. Stop blaming everything on drugs. Have you ever considered that people might actually put some thought into the creation of things, drawing inspiration from other sources that they might be fond of?

3. Stop trying to over-analyze everything to a ridiculous extent when you know very well you can go no where with it. After all of your rants, you fall back on your default "they had to have been on drugs" excuse. I've come up with many ideas here in the PC and throughout many places on SWF regarding games and what have you, creating original content inspired by already existing sources that I'm fond of. Does that mean I smoke pot because my ideas may be a bit farfetched?

The fact that Link travels through time period warrants him a title of "time traveler", despite him not having it as a natural power. You have it in your mind that in order for Celebi to be based off of Link and Navi, then they have to match up perfectly with one another. Star Wars is based off of Greek mythology, Beowulf, and Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" among many, many other influences, but does it resemble them all perfectly? Of course not! Stop being unnecessarily analytical because you waste your time, our time, and make eyesores of posts in threads.

Thank you.

 

[Mic_128]

Definite agree with knocking off the drug talk.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I'm getting really tired of you.

1. Please stop posting with the flaming smilies and yellow text.

2. Stop blaming everything on drugs. Have you ever considered that people might actually put some thought into the creation of things, drawing inspiration from other sources that they might be fond of?

3. Stop trying to over-analyze everything to a ridiculous extent when you know very well you can go no where with it. After all of your rants, you fall back on your default "they had to have been on drugs" excuse. I've come up with many ideas here in the PC and throughout many places on SWF regarding games and what have you, creating original content inspired by already existing sources that I'm fond of. Does that mean I smoke pot because my ideas may be a bit farfetched?

The fact that Link travels through time period warrants him a title of "time traveler", despite him not having it as a natural power. You have it in your mind that in order for Celebi to be based off of Link and Navi, then they have to match up perfectly with one another. Star Wars is based off of Greek mythology, Beowulf, and Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" among many, many other influences, but does it resemble them all perfectly? Of course not! Stop being unnecessarily analytical because you waste your time, our time, and make eyesores of posts in threads.

Thank you.

1st, the Yellow Text and Flames are just my thing. I'm not doing it for this post because I don't intend on being a straight up jerk.

2nd, No, I never once thought that Nintendo had borrowed ideas from old sources and used them the way they wanted to, both paying homage to said source and making new ideas. It's all about the Blow, man. *scratch scratch*.

And 3rd, Over-Analyse? We're talking about Video Game Character Origin Relationships. I think it might be a litle bit late for that, don't you think? And after all of my remarks (my rants usually take up a few Microsoft Word Pages, not a few paragraphs), I realised that I was wrong. tThe last time I made the "I still think that if they planned it, they were on pot" was suppost to imply a hint of sarcasm. I don't think that a person needs to be tweaked out of their head inorder to be origonal. And I'd be the last person to judge anything just because it is far-fetched.

And dude, I honestly don't know what is going on half of the time in my mind. I'm quite random. Again, Nintendo is still just f#$%ing with us right now, is what I currently think. .... IT'S A CONSPIRACY! THEY'RE TRYING TO MOLD US! But seriously, no, I don't think Link+Navi and Celebi have to be Carbon Copies of eachother inorder for their to be a simularity. Infact, wouldn't it require more of the latter before the former could be a possibility? Lastly, .... huh? I'm honestly not trying to start anything bad here, but how would Starwars be connected to Greek Mythos?

I don't see Link being Celebi's father. They might share ancestory somewhere, though. But I'm sorry that I've been causing problems here. Forgive me.

 

[Wrath`]

So Samus and Magmortar are related due to arm cannons? [scasms/]

Can ether travel through dimensions/worlds? They can travel through time, but are they bound only to their world? I could only see them related somehow if this was true. (If this was answered and I overlooked it, sorry.)

 

[StinkomanFan]

Well, time travel is complicted and you can actually end up in another dimension if you do it wrong. Which would explain how Link and Navi got to the world of Pokemon.

 

[Firus]

Well, time travel is complicted and you can actually end up in another dimension if you do it wrong. Which would explain how Link and Navi got to the world of Pokemon.

Time travel is non-existent...there are so many different theories on how it would work (assuming it actually is possible, which it may very well not be) that it's impossible to say which one is correct.

Also, Spire's theory is that the creation of Celebi by the game designers was inspired by Link and Navi. It isn't that Link and Navi moved into another dimension and merged in the process, forming Celebi.

 

[StinkomanFan]

Time travel is non-existent...there are so many different theories on how it would work (assuming it actually is possible, which it may very well not be) that it's impossible to say which one is correct.

Also, Spire's theory is that the creation of Celebi by the game designers was inspired by Link and Navi. It isn't that Link and Navi moved into another dimension and merged in the process, forming Celebi.

Sorry had a brainfart back their.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Is Dialga only the guardian of time in Shinnoh? ...Because you think he'd be monitering the space-time continuum better, especially from Celebi. In an episode of pokemon he sent some kid back in time and altered the world by changing a town from ruin to prosperous.

...That could have dramatic effects over the entire world, maybe even preventing the kid from being born. It would divert economic growth in other ereas, etc.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Why do Pokemon have to be so freakin' powerful? They're liek gods nao. Gen. Three is when it started getting ridiculous. Kyogre and Groudon formed the world. Then Gen. Four got even more so. Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit gave humans their nature. Arceuscreated the universe. Dialga and Palkia rule Time and Space. I mean seriously. That's a little too powerful, don't you think?

 

[Clownbot]

Why do Pokemon have to be so freakin' powerful? They're liek gods nao. Gen. Three is when it started getting ridiculous. Kyogre and Groudon formed the world. Then Gen. Four got even more so. Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit gave humans their nature. Arceuscreated the universe. Dialga and Palkia rule Time and Space. I mean seriously. That's a little too powerful, don't you think?

A tad off-topic there, Lasrs, but I definitely see where you're comin' from.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

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Can someone explain how Arceus has 1000 Hands? I can't see any on him....

And yeah, I kinda hide Pokemon like that from my Dad... He's very Religious, and was offended that Psychic is a type of Pokemon. If I sweep his team with the God of Pokemon, he'll probably try to kill Pikachu...

I hope Humans don't discover the ability to Time Travel. I think we should just focus on the Here and Now, rather than the Past or the Future.

And I think it was that Dialga created all of Time, and Celebi just kinda rides along wherever she wants (I see Celebi as a girl, despite being genderless). Just kinda under the weather, although I think they've affected a few lives in the past though. But since they were Good Pokemon with Good Intentions, no one was prevented from being born (I think Richie and Celebi actually ended up saving lives in that episode).
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[Spire]

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I hope Humans don't discover the ability to Time Travel. I think we should just focus on the Here and Now, rather than the Past or the Future.

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Only quoting you because this is the most recent off-topic post, not cause I'm trying to pick on you.

I would prefer a lock to the thread over this continuation of bizarre time-travel discussion.

But I'll leave that up to the discretion of both you guys and Zook.