The Old Counter Game

[karthik_king]

No they were worth 2 points but noone would use them because they wanted to get the most points possible so they used BL and UU.

 

[IC3R]

Lets abolish the point system and that is coming from the leader.

Even though at least five of your counters should've failed?

Swampert
Leftovers
Relaxed
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpA
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Beam
~ Hydro Pump
~ Protect

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Adamant / Water Absorb
EVs - 240 HP, 72 Def, 196 SpDef
~Focus Punch
~Payback
~Bulk Up
~Substitute

Bulkywrath ftw

 

[sonofthesky]

If he was the last ou...

Nahh....

 

[Pink Reaper]

No they were worth 2 points but noone would use them because they wanted to get the most points possible so they used BL and UU.

No, OU's were banned. Ask anyone who's played the counter game for a while, they'll tell you.

 

[karthik_king]

Yes but they were reinstated a few pages ago

 

[sonofthesky]

Yes but they were reinstated a few pages ago

There should be a faceplam animation.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Poliwrath

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Bold
Levitate
252 HP/128 Def/128 Sp Atk
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Sludge Bomb
-Will-o-wisp

 

[0RLY]

@ Weezing:

Magneton @ Life Orb
Modest/Magnet Pull
252 sp.atk/252 spe/4 hp
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-HP (Ground)
-Metal Sound

Resists attacking moves and the Atk drop from burn isn't scary at all.

 

[IC3R]

vs. Magneton


Flygon @ Expert Belt
Mild / Levitate
EVs - 252 Att, 4 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Earthquake
~Dragon Claw
~Fire Blast
~Stone Edge

gg Magneton

 

[TehBo49]

@ Flygon

Marowak @ Thick Club
Adamant
Rock Head
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Def
-Earthquake
-Double Edge
-Fire Punch
-Focus Punch

Earthquake fails to 2HKO me while Double Edge will barely OHKO you.

 

[sonofthesky]

Altaria@Life orb
Adamant
252 atk 252 def 4 spd
Outrage
HP water
Dragon dance
Roost?

 

[karthik_king]

Metagross
Expert Belt
Naughty
252 Atk / 124 SpA / 132 Spe
~ Meteor Mash
~ Earthquake
~ Grass Knot
~ Hidden Power Fire

 

[Platypus]

Although it pains me to say it, the point system is debilitating to the game...

So, I will redesign it.

SEMI-OFFICIAL RULES:
Variety- Use only BL and under. Use only BL and under.
Adherence- A Choice item can only be used if every attack in the moveset of the holder can function as a counter to the previous post. For example, Shadow Claw would not be allowed on a Choiced Slaking if it was countering a Lopunny, since Shadow Claw would not beat the previous counter.
Eye of the Tiger- Any move with over 50% accuracy will hit the first time.

POINT SYSTEM:
1 point is awarded for an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 2 points, 3 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for a BL is complex, and 4 points are awarded for NU and complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for any counter that fails.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.

Against Metagross:

Moltres w/Leftovers
Naive/Pressure
255 Sp. Atk/ 155 Def./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Fire Blast
+ Air Slash
+ Protect
+ Ancientpower
Fire-powered fire is fiery.

 

[karthik_king]

There are no more NU

 

[Platypus]

Yeah...I can't think of anyone who uses Castform, though.

Spoiler

L o o k i n g b a c k, X a t u h a d S y n c h r o n i z e.

SCOREBOARD:
Platypus- II

Against Molten Three:

Golem w/Expert Belt
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Sturdy
55 Atk/ 55 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./200 Sp. Def.
+ Stone Edge
+ Gyro Ball
+ Fire Blast
+ HP Grass
I ignore Protect momentarily, attempting to spam Stone Edge. Have a nice big cup of this guy. Taste the saccharine? No, you don't.

 

[karthik_king]

Hey i did on shoddy a few days ago

And Plaatypus you can't counter yourself

 

[0RLY]

Since the Q & A thread isn't stickied and this is the most visited thread on the Poke Center, I'll ask my question here:

If you use all your other attacks once, switch out, switch back in later, can you use Last Resort?

 

[Pink Reaper]

No, you can't. They all have to be used while your out. Switching negates the use of the attacks. That's why the Last Resort set on Smogon for Ambipom only has one move.

 

[WouW]

vs. Golem:

Empoleon @ Choice Specs
Modest (-atk +spA)/Torrent
252 spA / 252spD / 4 Spe
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Flash Cannon

All your attacks do jack damage and I outspeed and OHKO you with any move.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Well, I updated the first post... Sorta.

 

[chubb-o-wub]

For Empoleon -

Electivire@Expert Belt
Mild
EV/ 76 Atk/ 252 Spatk/ 180 Speed
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Earthquake
-Cross Chop

Takes Empoleon with Earthquake, and could suprise physical walls like Hippowdon and Gliscor with HP Ice.

 

[darth meanie]

For Empoleon -

Electivire@Expert Belt
Mild
EV/ 76 Atk/ 252 Spatk/ 180 Speed
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Earthquake
-Cross Chop

Takes Empoleon with Earthquake, and could suprise physical walls like Hippowdon and Gliscor with HP Ice.

Mesprit @ Leftovers
Calm
EV/ 252 HP/ 252 SpDef
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Ice Beam

Laughs off the physical attacks and sets up the calm minds so it can laugh off the other attacks too. Hits back with a true boltbeam for great damage.

 

[WouW]

For Empoleon -

Electivire@Expert Belt
Mild
EV/ 76 Atk/ 252 Spatk/ 180 Speed
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Earthquake
-Cross Chop

Takes Empoleon with Earthquake, and could suprise physical walls like Hippowdon and Gliscor with HP Ice.

FAILURE
Earthquake fails to OHKO while Surf does have a good chance to OHKO. If it doesn't OHKO, I survive your Earthquake and hit you again so you die.
Also, Electivire is OU.

@Mesprit:

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Modest/Levitate
252spA/252spD/4HP
-Shadow Ball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
-Hidden Power Fighting

If you Calm Mind on the switch, we both 3HKO. However, I outspeed you so you will die first.
If you Psychic on the switch, you need to hit another 3 times but I 2HKO you.
Will-o-Wisp to cripple any physical attacker coming next, Pain Split to heal from the Pokémon coming next and HP Fighting for unresisted type coverage.

 

[Platypus]

SEMI-OFFICIAL RULES:
Variety- Use only BL and under. Use only BL and under.
Adherence- A Choice item can only be used if every attack in the moveset of the holder can function as a counter to the previous post. For example, Shadow Claw would not be allowed on a Choiced Slaking if it was countering a Lopunny, since Shadow Claw would not beat the previous counter.
Eye of the Tiger- Any move with over 50% accuracy will hit the first time.

POINT SYSTEM:
1 point is awarded for an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 2 points, 3 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for a BL is complex, and 4 points are awarded for complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for any counter that fails.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.

SCOREBOARD:
chubb-o-wub- II
darth meanie- II
Platypus- 5
WouW- IIII

To counter Mismagius:

Stantler w/Chople Berry
(+Speed -Atk.)/Intimidate
55 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed
+ Me First
+ Imprison
+ HP Fire
+ Rest
Need I explain it? You are the dead, twice over- right?

 

[IC3R]

To counter Mismagius:

Stantler w/Chople Berry
(+Speed -Atk.)/Intimidate
55 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed
+ Me First
+ Imprison
+ HP Fire
+ Rest
Need I explain it? You are the dead, twice over- right?

Weird critter...

Ninetales @ Life Orb
Timid/ Flash Fire
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Flamethrower
~Solarbeam
~Hidden Power [Rock]
~Sunny Day

Double-STAB Flamethrower + SunnyBeam = gg everything not a Fire type or Altaria, which I have HP Rock for

 

[Platypus]

Vs. Ninetales:

Rapidash w/Focus Sash
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Flash Fire
155 Atk./ 100 Def./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ HP Water
+ Solarbeam
+ Megahorn
+ Flare Blitz
Yeah...Your HP Rock is disabled.

 

[CT Chia]

Vs. Ninetales:

Rapidash w/Focus Sash
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Flash Fire
155 Atk./ 100 Def./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ HP Water
+ Solarbeam
+ Megahorn
+ Flare Blitz
Yeah...Your HP Rock is disabled.

Dragonite w/Yache Berry
(+Spd -SAtk) Inner Focus
4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
+Earthquake
+Dragon Dance
+Outrage
+Fire Blast

 

[sonofthesky]

Deyoxys-A@ Focus sash
Naive
252 spatk 252 spd 4 hp
Ice beam
Thunder
Superpower
Counter

Worky?

 

[Platypus]

I blame myself for not posting the rules.

SEMI-OFFICIAL RULES:
Variety- Use only BL and under. Use only BL and under.
Adherence- A Choice item can only be used if every attack in the moveset of the holder can function as a counter to the previous post. For example, Shadow Claw would not be allowed on a Choiced Slaking if it was countering a Lopunny, since Shadow Claw would not beat the previous counter.
Eye of the Tiger- Any move with over 50% accuracy will hit the first time.

POINT SYSTEM:
1 point is awarded for an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 2 points, 3 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for a BL is complex, and 4 points are awarded for complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for any counter that fails.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.

 

[sonofthesky]

He breaks it, I break it.

 

[ToiletRoll]

Counter for that Deoxys-A of sonofthesky's

Ratata lvl 1 @ Focus sash
Jolly
(Ablility not needed)
No EVs Needed
-------------------
Quick Attack
Endeavor



Yeah Handle that XD

 

[Pink Reaper]

Dragonite w/Yache Berry
(+Spd -SAtk) Inner Focus
4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
+Earthquake
+Dragon Dance
+Outrage
+Fire Blast

This Breaks the rules

Deyoxys-A@ Focus sash
Naive
252 spatk 252 spd 4 hp
Ice beam
Thunder
Superpower
Counter

Worky?

This doesn't work

Counter for that Deoxys-A of sonofthesky's

Ratata lvl 1 @ Focus sash
Jolly
(Ablility not needed)
No EVs Needed
-------------------
Quick Attack
Endeavor



Yeah Handle that XD

And this doesn't work.

Rapidash is the current counter.

 

[WouW]

vs. Rapidash:

Altaria @ Life Orb
Adamant
252Atk/152HP/104Spe
Outrage
Earthquake
Roost
Fire Blast

I outspeed and survive with Roost to anything that isn't Flash Fire activated Flare Blitz, whose recoil shuts off Focus Sash, and then I OHKO. If you don't use Flare Blitz, I just 2HKO with EQ. Fire Blast for icies, Sunny Day abuse and unresisted Dragon/Ground/Fire combo. (Sound familiar?)

 

[IC3R]

Umm...Excuse me?

Rapidash is the current counter.

Vs. Ninetales:

Rapidash w/Focus Sash
(+Sp. Atk. -Speed)/Flash Fire
155 Atk./ 100 Def./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ HP Water
+ Solarbeam
+ Megahorn
+ Flare Blitz
Yeah...Your HP Rock is disabled.

How, Imprison? I believe that goes away after Stantler perishes or switches...

Let us assume you switch in on Sunny Day, your HP Water would do 20%-23% damage, whereas my HP Rock does 57%-68% damage, so I win regardless of what happens...You switch in on Hidden Power, I outspeed on KO you...

FEPIC AILURE!!!!

Ninetales is the current counter...

 

[WouW]

Nah, just keep my Altaria as the current counter. Or else somebody would still need to counter my Choice Specs Empoleon.

 

[Platypus]

Imprison does not, to my knowledge, go away after a switch.

*Struggle*

 

[IC3R]

Imprison does not, to my knowledge, go away after a switch.

*Struggle*

http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/imprison

^See for yourself...


And no, Altaria will not be the current counter. I'm tired of having failed counters being posted, and those things being countered and countered again. It's not fair to me.

This has already happened several times before, and I won't allow it to happen again.
For example, about 100 pages ago, a Me First Absol was used to "counter" my SD Empoleon with Aqua Jet, Shadow Claw, and Brick Break. He assumed I would use Brick Break, and he could Me First it since he's faster. What if I Aqua Jet? gg

Also, due to our Choice Rule here, Choice counters are easy to come up with.

I try my best to be here as often as I can to make sure counters work before we move on...

COUNTER NINETALES, IF YOU CAN!!!!

 

[Niiro]

Ninetales @ Life Orb
Timid/ Flash Fire
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Flamethrower
~Solarbeamhttp://www.smashboards.com/images/smilies/bee.gif
~Hidden Power [Rock]
~Sunny Day

Double-STAB Flamethrower + SunnyBeam = gg everything not a Fire type or Altaria, which I have HP Rock for

Hopefully this would work lol
Golduck@ Leftovers
Modest/Cloud 9
EVs- 4Hp/252Spattack/252SpDefence
Calm Mind
HydroPump
Hypnosis
Focus Blast

Hope that works
EDIT: whats the choice rule?

 

[WouW]

vs. Ninetales:

Camerupt @ Leftovers
Brave (+atk, -spe)/Solid Rock
252 HP/252 Atk/4SpD
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Solar Beam
Overheat

I can take a hit or three from Solarbeam, which requires Sunny Day to be set up, and four from Hidden Power. Earthquake OHKOs, Stone Edge for fliers, Solar Beam for water types and using Sunny Day, and Overheat to hurt with STAB, Sunny Day and 105 base SpA.

EDIT: Beaten

 

[IC3R]

Hopefully this would work lol
Golduck@ Leftovers
Modest/Cloud 9
EVs- 4Hp/252Spattack/252SpDefence
Calm Mind
HydroPump
Hypnosis
Focus Blast

Hope that works
EDIT: whats the choice rule?

Yeah, it works. The Choice Rule basically means you can only have one attack whe using a Choice Item. It was rather drawn out many pages back, the exact one which I'm not sure.

Also, WouW, you can't assume all that much in this game; I may not set up Sunny Day at all, since it's not required for Ninetales to beat Rapidash (even though it would be nice that Golduck didn't come in and own me >>).