The Old Counter Game

[roy is my boi]

Lmao, you are begging to be t-bolted.

 

[WouW]

Hitmonchan @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Iron Fist
252Atk/128Spe/128SpD
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Close Combat

Survives an Air Cutter or a Hydro Pump and an obvious OHKO follows.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Hitmonchan @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Iron Fist
252Atk/252Spe/4SpD
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Close Combat

Survives an Air Cutter or a Hydro Pump and an obvious OHKO follows.

There's a 50% chance this would fail switching in to Icy Wind then getting hit by Air Slash. Feel free to shift some EV's to SpDef to make it work.

 

[IC3R]

Hitmonchan @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Iron Fist
252Atk/128Spe/128SpD
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Close Combat

Survives an Air Cutter or a Hydro Pump and an obvious OHKO follows.

Sheddy lololololololololololfail...

 

[WouW]

wa t.

 

[IC3R]

wa t.

Hitmonchan can't touch Sheddy


For real this time:

Gallade @ Shell Bell
Jolly / Steadfast
EVs - 4 HP, 252 Att, 252 Spd
~Close Combat
~Night Slash
~Psycho Cut
~Icy Wind

Since Gallade is no longer OU...
Gallade can come in on any attack like a champ, and tear through you with a SE STAB Psycho Cut. STAB Close Combat hits hard to have Shell Bell give me tons of recovery, whilst Night Slash ruins Mismagius, who could normally come in and trash it with Shadow Ball. Icy Wind is becoming a favored move of mine, as it will slow down opposing Pokes.

 

[WouW]

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Relaxed/Pressure
252HP/252Def/4Atk
Shadow Sneak
Sucker Punch
Hidden Power Fighting
Pain Split

Takes your hits well, doesn't care about the Speed drop as it's not outspeeding much with 95 speed anyway, and Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch have priority anyway. 3HKOs with Shadow Sneak/Sucker Punch while Night Slash 8HKOs.

 

[Platypus]

Since I never actually got to use it...

Honchkrow w/Scope Lens
(+Special Attack -Speed)/Super Luck
200 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def./ 10 Speed
+ Night Slash
+ Thunder Wave
+ Heat Wave
+ Air Cutter
Honchkrow is used by me. Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak are both NVE, and Pain Split is unreliable with all of these critical cuts alongside Thunder Wave. Heat Wave covers things that aren’t covered by moves that aren’t Heat Wave.

Also, could someone count the points up? Does anyone have enough spare time?

 

[WouW]

Points are dead and forgotten. Also, does that even work as even when critted both Air Cutter and Night Slash don't 2HKO (unless you hit max both times, which doesn't count), with Leftovers factored in. And I could just Pain Split that off.

Switch: HP Fighting (100%, ~76%)
Turn 1: Air Cutter / HP (crithax, ~49%, ~52@)
Turn 2: Air Cutter / Pain Split (omg another crit!) ~4%, ~52
Pain Split: 12+177=189
189:2=94= ~30%, ~27% (after lefties ~36%, ~27%)
Now you'd have to get a crit, but that is too haxed so let's assume that doesn't happen:
Turn 3: Air Cutter / HP (not a crit this time) ~5%, ~3%
Turn 4: Shadow Sneak > KO!!

You'd have to be really lucky to win this. And Heat Wave or Thunder Wave are a waste of time, as parahax isn't factored in and I move last anyway.

 

[c3gill]

Honchkrow w/Scope Lens
(+Special Attack -Speed)/Super Luck
200 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def./ 10 Speed
+ Night Slash
+ Thunder Wave
+ Heat Wave
+ Air Cutter

Camerupt@Leftovers
252 SD, 252 HP, 4 Def
(+Def, -speed) + Solid Rock (lol @ crits)
-EQ
-Stone Edge
-Sub
-Flamethower

Came laughs at your feeble night slash. Twave and Hwave are pointless, Air cutter is a joke as well. I switch in, set up a sub, and stone edge. if needed i do another one, but probabally not.

 

[WouW]

Huntail @ Leftovers
Naughty/Swift Swim
252HP/252Atk/4Def
Aqua Tail
Ice Fang
Hidden Power Electric
Snatch

Comes in, breaks a sub, Snatches another and/or sweeps.

 

[c3gill]

Huntail @ Leftovers
Naughty/Swift Swim
252HP/252Atk/4Def
Aqua Tail
Ice Fang
Hidden Power Electric
Snatch

Lanturn@ Lum Berry
Calm - Volt Absorb
252 Speed/252 Sp Atk/4 HP
-Surf
-Thunder Wave
-Thunderbolt
-Confuse Ray

Switch in, take an aqua tail, and Bolt you away. Maybe confuse or Twave if i wanna play around or expect a switch

 

[WouW]

Quagsire @ Muscle Band
Relaxed/Water Absorb
252HP/252Atk/4Def
Safeguard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

Once I get a safeguard, lol.

 

[c3gill]

Quagsire @ Muscle Band
Relaxed/Volt Absorb
252HP/252Atk/4Def
Safeguard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

you mean water absorb as ability, im assuming... i was really tempted to go with rotom, but ill say this instead.

Bronzong@leftovers
252hp/252def/4atk
relaxed, LEVITATE!!!! (ftw)
EQ
rest
gryo ball
sleep talk

like i said, i was really wanting to go with rotom, but a rest-talking Bronzong completely out Ds your Quagsire. only non resisting move you have is waterfall, bronz can EQ you away, rest- talk as needed

 

[WouW]

OU isn't allowed in this game.

 

[c3gill]

....definatly didnt think about that, sorry forgot the rule :/

Quagsire @ Muscle Band
Relaxed/Water Absorb
252HP/252Atk/4Def
Safeguard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

Carnivine@ leftovers
jolly/levitate
252atk/252spd/4hp
seed bomb
leech seed
sub
synthesis

Awkward set, but it would work. take a hit, either sub,synthesis,seed, and seed bomb or just seed bomb. feel free to burn this one.......

 

[WouW]

Abomasnow @ Life Orb
Modest/Snow Warning
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
Substitute
Leech Seed
Blizzard
Hidden Power Flying

Seed Bomb does lol damage, Leech Seed doesn't work, easily breaks substitutes and Synthesis is lol as well due to Hail. 100 accurate Blizzard FTW. Ice+Flying rids of every single Grass-pokémon in the game.

 

[c3gill]

Abomasnow @ Life Orb
Modest/Snow Warning
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
Substitute
Leech Seed
Blizzard
Hidden Power Flying

Froslass @ Scope Lens
Timid/ Snow Cloak
252SpA/252spd/4hp
- Signal Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball

Frostie can easily take any of your hits, and she outspeed you. worst case you sub, sub, sub, seed and get koed by continuous signal beams.

 

[WouW]

Have fun getting over half of your health off from a Blizzard on the switch with you only 3HKOing me (2HKO due to my Life Orb) and then taking the other half from another Blizzard.

 

[c3gill]

I just ran this and my froslass won it- blizz did a little less than half her health, and my signal beam 2koed it.... as she outspeeds you she can take 2 of them and still finish it off- maybe your forgetting signal beam hits super on Abomasnow, or that froslass takes 1/2 damage from ice.

 

[WouW]

I calculated it and Blizzard does 52.67% - 62.28%, with your Signal Beam doing 42.37% -50.47% and I get two hits before you do.
Don't forget Life Orb and switching.

 

[sonofthesky]

God, I feel like Posting a counter, But if it isnt extreme killer arceus, it fails.

Even with EK Arceus, I got Pwnd by Giratina.

I fail at this game...

 

[Platypus]

Against Yetice, I'm going to try...

Clefable w/Toxic Orb
Bashful/Magic Guard
180 Atk./ 120 Def./ 150 Sp. Atk./ 60 Sp. Def.
+ Fire Punch
+ Amnesia
+ Encore
+ HP Dragon
I'll operate under the assumption that Leech Seed fails against me. I punch thee!

 

[WouW]

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Brave/Thick Fat
252Atk/252Def/4SpD
Close Combat
Payback
Stone Edge
Earthquake

I think I just ended the game.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Spiritomb@Chesto Berry
Relaxed/Pressure
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Rest
-Will-O-Wist
-Calm Mind
-Dark Pulse

Comes in on anything and survives long enough to chesto rest, WoW you then proceed to Calm Mind up while you die from Burn/Pressure eventually making you struggle.

 

[WouW]

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Brave/Guts
252Atk/252Def/4SpD
Close Combat
Payback
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Burn THIS

 

[Platypus]

These last three could just cycle forever.

Anyways, against Ghostone:

Seaking w/Liechi Berry
Adamant/Water Veil
200 Atk./ 110 Def./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Megahorn
+ Waterfall
+ Agility
My Special Defense is quite special. Thou art a pile of double-dead!

 

[Pink Reaper]

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Brave/Guts
252Atk/252Def/4SpD
Close Combat
Payback
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Burn THIS

Just so you're aware, I only posted a counter to show you that it could be done. In all honesty your counters don't work for breaking the "Choice" rule.

Either way:

Uxie@Light Clay
Bold/Levitate
252Hp/252Def/4SpDef
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Rest
-Yawn

and for Seaking:

Mawile@Salac Berry
Intimidate/Jolly
252Atk/244Spe/12Hp
-Substitute
-Swords Dance
-Iron Head
-Thunder Punch

You can chose either to counter

 

[WouW]

Just so you're aware, I only posted a counter to show you that it could be done. In all honesty your counters don't work for breaking the "Choice" rule.

The second Hariyama was a joke. The first Hariyama DID work as all of its attacks at least 2HKOed Clefable.

Uxie@Light Clay
Bold/Levitate
252Hp/252Def/4SpDef
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Rest
-Yawn

and for Seaking:

Mawile@Salac Berry
Intimidate/Jolly
252Atk/244Spe/12Hp
-Substitute
-Swords Dance
-Iron Head
-Thunder Punch

You can chose either to counter

Shiftry @ Leftovers
Early Bird/Modest
252SpA/252HP/4Spe
Substitute
Focus Blast
Dark Pulse
Defog

I counter both.

 

[Platypus]

Against Shiftytree:

Muk w/Iron Ball
(+Sp. Def. -Speed)/Sticky Hold
110 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Fling
+ Mud Bomb
+ Gunk Shot
+ Swagger
The Argentines collapse in de-feat!

 

[WouW]

Drapion @ Life Orb
Jolly/Sniper
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Earthquake
Cross Poison

Resists Fling and Gunk Shot, Mud Bomb only 3HKOs (meaning free Swords Dance) and you're pretty much screwed.

 

[handsockpuppet]

Bastiodon @Focus Sash
Relaxed
252 HP, 188 attack, 60 defense
Curse
Metal Burst
Stone Edge
Earthquake

I love Bastiodon. He's pretty much a counter, two earthquakes or a curse and an earthquake will probably kill lmao

 

[0RLY]

Focus Sash is only allowed if you are guaranteed to survive at least one hit. From the looks of things, I don't think Bastiodon enjoys a 4x Super Effective Earthquake backed by a Swords Dance and Life Orb.

 

[WouW]

I could quake twice and own him before he even CAN use Metal Burst. Or anything, for that matter.

EPIC FAILURE

 

[handsockpuppet]

LOL, I can't believe I didn't notice his earthquake. eh well. but often if I'm completely outmatched with bastiodon (like against someone with fighting moves or earthquake) I'll use metal burst. I go down to 1 damage on the first hit, but then it always KO's them. and besides, with two curses, the earthquake won't OHKO. depending on who attacks, it may only take one curse.

 

[WouW]

A: Focus Sash is still banned

B:
...
switched in drapion yada yada
---
handsockpuppet switched in Failure! (lvl 100 Bastiodon)!
Drapion used Earthquake.
Failure! lost 83% of its health.
Drapion lost 10% of its health.
---
Drapion used Earthquake.
Failure! lost 17% of its health.
Drapion lost 10% of its health.
Failure! fainted!
handsockpuppet loses!

How the HELL are you even GOING to curse?

 

[handsockpuppet]

1) Excuse my noobishness. I always knew about competitive pokeman but never really got into it until recently with shoddy. please don't yell "epic failure". I was only thinking about types, by which Bastiodon is a counter. I also merged my thinking with Smogon "A defensive Steelix and Sandslash make decent counters, as they can 2HKO Drapion with their STAB Earthquakes while Drapion fails to 2HKO either of them even after a Swords Dance"
2) I meant before Drapion switches in you do curse
3) the first attack I could do metal burst or earthquake.

I post here for the first time and this is my welcome? well good day, sir! *slams door*

 

[Cease Tick]

2) I meant before Drapion switches in you do curse

In order to be considered a counter, a pokemon must be able to safely switch into the pokemon it's countering and kill/disable it without being at any real risk. That's pretty much the definition unless I forgot something.

EDIT:

1) Excuse my noobishness. I always knew about competitive pokeman but never really got into it until recently with shoddy. please don't yell "epic failure". I was only thinking about types, by which Bastiodon is a counter. I also merged my thinking with Smogon "A defensive Steelix and Sandslash make decent counters, as they can 2HKO Drapion with their STAB Earthquakes while Drapion fails to 2HKO either of them even after a Swords Dance"

Except unlike Steelix/Sandslash, Bastiodon doesn't get STAB on earthquake.

 

[c3gill]

Drapion @ Life Orb
Jolly/Sniper
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Earthquake
Cross Poison

Flygon@ Leftovers
Jolly/Levitate
252 Speed/252 Attack/ 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Roost


Flygon resists your poison, immune to EQ, outspeeds you, and can easily take a Night Slash (assuming thats what i switch in on, im betting not), before OHKOing you with a STABed up EQ.

 

[WouW]

Flygon is OU.