The Old Counter Game

0RLY · May 14, 2008

@ Minun: Because Lapras kinda sorta broke rule fifteen...

Nidoking @ Leftovers
Poison Point/Lonely
252atk/228hp/30sp.def
-Earthquake
-Avalanche
-Substitute
-Sucker Punch

Encore does nothing. Toxic and Thunder does nothing as well. Substitute+Attack.

RedPeppers · May 14, 2008

Sorry guys........*Drowns Platypus's tears out with his own*

Pink Reaper · May 14, 2008

@Nidoking

Cloyster@Leftovers
Skill Link/Quiet
252Hp/200Atk/56SpAtk
-Icicle Spear
-Double Edge
-Surf
-Mud Shot

Icicle Spear always hits 5 times so I can easily break your Subs and hit you too. Massive defense means you wont be doing much with any of your attacks.

Kips · May 14, 2008

Magneton @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
(+Special Attack, -Attack)
EVs: 252 HP/152 Special Attack/100 Special Defense/ 4 Speed
-Magnet Rise
-Rain Dance
-Thunder
-Hidden Power [Ice]
I outspeed you by one point because we have the same base speed (70) and you most likely would Icicle Spear on the switch. If I came in after Nidoking was killed that 1 Speed Point advantage results in a Magnet Rise past your Mud Shot. I Rain Dance the Surf, making me take a very painful hit but OHKO with Thunder back with my outspeeding thanks to my 100 Special Defense Effort Values. Hidden Power [Ice] forms a BoltBeam combo, letting me take on more varieties of pokemon.

Rain Dance is now in effect.

Pink Reaper · May 15, 2008

Ummm, Counter Game works as in you have to be able to safely switch into any of my attacks. You'd lose ~50% of your health if you switch into Mud Shot and the rest if you used Rain Dance and I surfed. Granted, if you just Thundered your first turn >_> Im still ignoring you though cus Magneton is OU

IC3R · May 15, 2008

Pink Reaper said:
Cloyster@Leftovers
Skill Link/Quiet
252Hp/200Atk/56SpAtk
-Icicle Spear
-Double Edge
-Surf
-Mud Shot

Pelipper @ Leftovers
Calm / Keen Eye
EVs - 236 HP, 72 SpAtt, 200 SpDef
~Ice Beam
~Hidden Power [Electric]
~Stockpile
~Roost

Takes little damage from any of your moves, and I can Stockpile to raises my Defenses a bit. Roost to get rid of damage, and pseudoBoltBeaming for coverage.

@ Reaper: When Zone loses >50% HP from Mud Shot, it's Speed will also drop, allowing for a second Mud Shot--which is funny because you're faster than it anyway.

(Quiet Cloyster w/ no EVs = 158 Speed, Modest Magnezone w/ 4 EVs = 157 Speed lol)

Pink Reaper · May 15, 2008

I used a -speed nature though, so its actually faster than me without any EV's. But yeah, i forgot mud shot lowers speed so yeah, not a counter ftw XD

Edit: OH SHI- your right, even with minus speed nature im still faster than Magnezone. NOT A COUNTER. I'll counter you Pelliper later though, im playing Melee right now :D

@Pelipper

Banette@Leftovers
Insomnia/Gentle
124Atk/128SpAtk/252SpDef/4Spe
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Shadow Sneak
-Snatch

Lol, mixed attacking Banette with NO SPEED WUT? Anyways, those 4 speed ev's make me faster than you so I can snatch whatever you may stockpile. Thunderbolt OHKO's you. I enjoy chocolate cake.

Platypus · May 15, 2008

Against Banette:

Dunsparce w/Leftovers
Mild/Serene Grace
255 Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Iron Tail
+ Curse
+ Rock Slide
+ Substitute
Iron Tail chains. Roar!

Pink Reaper · May 15, 2008

Platypus said:
Against Banette:

Dunsparce w/Leftovers
Mild/Serene Grace
255 Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Iron Tail
+ Curse
+ Rock Slide
+ Substitute
Iron Tail chains. Roar!

Clamperl@DeepSeaTooth
Shell Armor/Modest
148hp/252SpAtk/108spe
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Hp Electric
-Toxic

Outspeeds you by one point, 542 Special Attack, yadda yadda yadda.

Platypus · May 16, 2008

Vs. Clamperl:

Clamperl w/DeepSeaScale
Calm/Shell Armor
255 Sp. Atk./255 Sp. Def.
+ Mud Sport
+ Aqua Ring
+ HP Grass
+ Refresh
I dunno?

IC3R · May 16, 2008

Pink Reaper said:
Clamperl@DeepSeaTooth
Shell Armor/Modest
148hp/252SpAtk/108spe
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Hp Electric
-Toxic

Outspeeds you by one point, 542 Special Attack, yadda yadda yadda.

Platypus said:
Vs. Clamperl:

Clamperl w/DeepSeaScale
Calm/Shell Armor
255 Sp. Atk./255 Sp. Def.
+ Mud Sport
+ Aqua Ring
+ HP Grass
+ Refresh
I dunno?

Okay. This is the second time a Poke has been used to counter itself! Is there anything against that...?

...

Guess not...I'll post a counter momentarily...

Carnivine @ Leftovers
Adamant / Levitate
EVs - 188 HP, 252 Att, 32 Def, 32 SpDef, 4 Spd
~Power Whip
~Payback
~Return
~Swords Dance

Carnivine lol's at your poor excuse for an attack, and retaliates with a good-ol' SD-boosted Power Whip to the backside.

Obey your master...*WHAOH-PIASH!!!!!*

Pink Reaper · May 16, 2008

Yeah I think there's a rule about not using the same pokemon to counter a pokemon. I'll counter Carnivine in a moment but can someone post a new counter for my clamperl just so I feel complete?

Terywj [태리] · May 16, 2008

@Vine

Nidoqueen @ Leftovers
Jolly/Poison Point
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Spd
~Poison Jab
~Earthquake
~Avalanche
~Shadow Claw

Lulz.

-Ter

Pink Reaper · May 16, 2008

@Nidoqueen

Lumineon@Life Orb
Modest/Swift Swim
252Hp/252Def/6SpAtk
-Rain Dance
-Surf
-HP Electric
-Ice Beam

Yep

Terywj [태리] · May 17, 2008

Magneton @ Leftovers
Modest/Magnet Pull
252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
~Thunderbolt
~Thunder Wave
~Magnet Rise
~Flash Cannon

IC3R · May 18, 2008

Sorry, Terywj...

COUNTER DENIED!!!

After a Rain Dance, Lumi's Surf can effectively OHKO you...2HKO without it!

Magneton does not have enough power to one-shot Lumineon, and is therefore doomed either way...

Pink Reaper · May 18, 2008

Lol, I was sort of wondering about that, but i was too lazy to crunch the numbers.

0RLY · May 18, 2008

@ Lumineon:

Cradily @ Leftovers
Suction Cups/Calm
252sp.def/188hp/68sp.atk
-Energy Ball
-HP (Rock)
-Recover
-Toxic

Too lazy to do calcs, but this should definitely work.

Terywj [태리] · May 18, 2008

IC3R said:
Sorry, Terywj...

COUNTER DENIED!!!

After a Rain Dance, Lumi's Surf can effectively OHKO you...2HKO without it!

Magneton does not have enough power to one-shot Lumineon, and is therefore doomed either way...

No need to be so BIG about it...

-Ter

RedPeppers · May 18, 2008

Come on Terywj ^^ It looked totally sick!

Pink Reaper · May 18, 2008

0RLy said:
@ Lumineon:

Cradily @ Leftovers
Suction Cups/Calm
252sp.def/188hp/68sp.atk
-Energy Ball
-HP (Rock)
-Recover
-Toxic

Too lazy to do calcs, but this should definitely work.

Toxicroak@Life Orb
Dry Skin/Jolly
252Atk/252Spe/4SpDef
-Swords Dance
-Sucker Punch
-Stone Edge
-Cross Chop

Laughs at your STAB attacks as it resists them both and cant be poisoned. Sets up with swords dance then smashes through you with Cross Chop.

Platypus · May 19, 2008

I'm tired of just Encoring Swords Dance.

Medicham w/Expert Belt
Adamant/ Pure Power
255 Atk./255 Def.
+ Sunny Day
+ Fire Punch
+ Reversal
+ Recover
Sunny Day?

0RLY · May 19, 2008

@ Medicham:

Tropius @ Life Orb
Chlorophyll/Modest
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Solarbeam
-Air Slash
-HP (Fire)
-Silver Wind

Outspeeds you in the sun. Remember that I can use any move on the switch in. Tyvm for sun! ^^

RedPeppers · May 19, 2008

@ Tropius

Regigigas @ Expert Belt
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Slow Start
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Hp
Giga Impact
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Focus Blast

Ice Punch for the KO.

Platypus · May 19, 2008

Against Tropius:

Hippowdon w/ Leftovers
Careful/Sand Stream
255 Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Protect
+ Swagger
+ Ice Fang
+ Slack Off
Since the sand overtakes the sun, any Solarbeam used on the switch-in will cost a turn of charging, during which Powdon can Protect. Swagger cannot aid Tropius, as it has no physical attacks. Ice Fang FTHurt.

EDIT: Argh! I was going to counter a Grass-and-Flying-type with a Ground-type! Oh, well.

0RLY · May 19, 2008

Sorry, it looks like RedPeppers' Regigigas is the new counter... you were off by two minutes, Platypus.

Regigigas looks like it may have it's defensive EVs in the wrong place... I know for sure that Ice Punch will ohko even with Slow Start. Ugh... I may counter later.

RedPeppers · May 20, 2008

I don't think I need the Sdef EVs to take down Tropius. I put them there because I'd rather get countered by a special sweeper.

0RLY · May 20, 2008

Okay, I did the calculations today...

You have a 93.29% chance of dying from two Solarbeams. Since I outspeed you, I could guarantee myself the win.

Solarbeam-
MIN: 48.9%
MAX: 57.46%

If my calculations and idea is right, Hippowdon may be our next counter, despite being OU. That or, Regigigas gets a healthy boost to it's sp.def.

RedPeppers · May 20, 2008

Say I switch the EVs then.......no OU that way.

Pink Reaper · May 21, 2008

Ok, so what, we need a tropius counter now? Ok then

@Tropius

Typhlosion@Life Orb
Blaze/Timid
252SpAtk/252Spe/4SpDef
-Eruption
-Overheat
-Focus Blast
-HP Grass

Resists three of your attacks, OHKO's with Overheat. Is Sunnyday in effect or not?

sonofthesky · May 21, 2008

Pink Reaper said:
Ok, so what, we need a tropius counter now? Ok then

@Tropius

Typhlosion@Life Orb
Blaze/Timid
252SpAtk/252Spe/4SpDef
-Eruption
-Overheat
-Focus Blast
-HP Grass

Resists three of your attacks, OHKO's with Overheat. Is Sunnyday in effect or not?

Milotic@focus sash
Miracle scale
255def255sp.def
Surf
Ice beam
Thunderbolt
mirror coat

Laughs your stab and hits with surf.

0RLY · May 21, 2008

1) It's Marvel Scale
2) No Nature
3) Sunny Day is in effect
4) What's strong enough to ohko a Milotic?

RedPeppers · May 21, 2008

@ At Milotic (even though there's not supposed to be any OU)

Pikachu @ Light Ball
Nature: Mild
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Satk / 6 Spd
Volt Tackle
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Thunder

Volt Tackle should OHKO. Thunder-Beam for coverage, and Grass knot for big guys.

Platypus · May 21, 2008

Time for a bit of a departure.

Against Pikachu:

Purugly w/ Leftovers
Modest/Thick Fat
255 Def./255 Sp. Def.
+ Assist
+ Hypnosis
+ HP Ground
+ Iron Tail
Every other monster in my 6-creature-team is a Medicham with Power Swap. Kenshin Hypnotic Ground Collapse!

H@wK · May 21, 2008

RedPeppers said:
@ At Milotic (even though there's not supposed to be any OU)

Pikachu @ Light Ball
Nature: Mild
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Satk / 6 Spd
Volt Tackle
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Thunder

Volt Tackle should OHKO. Thunder-Beam for coverage, and Grass knot for big guys.

... How? ...

(forgive my ignorance. I just want to know lol)

sonofthesky · May 21, 2008

RedPeppers said:
@ At Milotic (even though there's not supposed to be any OU)

Pikachu @ Light Ball
Nature: Mild
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Satk / 6 Spd
Volt Tackle
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Thunder

Volt Tackle should OHKO. Thunder-Beam for coverage, and Grass knot for big guys.

Tis' called focus sash.

Pink Reaper · May 21, 2008

Your not allowed to use focus sash, its against the rules.

RedPeppers · May 21, 2008

My apologies H@wk I meant HP Ice, I accidently hit the back button, and had to retype the whole thing. Focus sash isn't allowed per the example I thought it was okay otherwise, but it doesn't matter because sonofthesky's Milotic took damage from tropius when he came in therefore negating the sash. Pika Wins!!!!!!

Platypus · May 22, 2008

Actually, I was thinking: If you have a weak monster (say, Azurill) give a wild Smeargle Ice Beam, then put it to sleep before it Sketches anything else, then switch to a Pikachu with Mimic and Mimic Sketch...But you can't, can you?

Also, was everyone in a hurry yesterday or what?

RedPeppers · May 22, 2008

Purugly w/ Leftovers
Modest/Thick Fat
255 Def./255 Sp. Def.
+ Assist
+ Hypnosis
+ HP Ground
+ Iron Tail

OHKOing a Milotic with UU is work man!

@ Purugly

Primape @
Nature: Naive
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 Atk / 28 Spd / 230 Hp
Close Combat
Dig!
Stone Edge
Thunder
I outspeed with the EV spread.

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