The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[ScubaGoomba]

Well, my argument that he looked at that exact concept art - and was likely handed it directly to look at - is the fact that two of the poses appear in-game, with slight differences, that look directly ripped from the concept art there. Of course, that doesn't really mean a whole lot, but the point remains that it isn't a coincidence to me.

And, yeah, that's my guess, too. Sakurai probably said 'Hey, we're looking for a new Pokemon rep, whatcha got?' and Gamefreak responded 'Here's some concept art of who we think would be the best picks.'. We already know starters are some of the first Pokemon to be finished from start to finish conceptually, so it wouldn't surprise me if all three final evolutions landed on Sakurai's desk and he just kinda pointed at Greninja like 'That one. It's a ninja so both countries are gonna eat this **** up. I want this in Smash.' and then the concept art got shipped off to Bamco's art department.

Again, who really knows? Seems the logical course of events to me.

Ah, my mistake! I thought you were implying that the name was already attached to the character when he got it since it's on the bottom-left of the image. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that Greninja wasn't named when Sakurai asked to see it.

 

[Mechonis]

The second they showed anything Xenoblade, such as enemies or stages... yeah. There'd be no point in waiting to reveal Shulk then.

I'm actually wondering if they meant that ghost to appear as it did in the demo.

 

[Vintage Creep]

No, this leak does bring up Lucas or Ness getting cut (more likely Lucas), but I think we'll get more than 4 cuts at this point. Jiggly is incredibly possible to get cut, and even if she's not, she'll probably have lower priority than Mewtwo right now. Falco may also get cut because custom movesets make him irrelevant.

LOL.
Just LOL.

 

[KingLucasx]

So, on this concept of enemies in Smash Run, anyone think we might get something like Fire Emblem enemies? Might be a bit hard since FE tends to have human enemies, but then again, it might actually be possible. Like different classes of FE characters, or Revenant enemies from Gaiden, Sacred Stones, and Awakening.



No, this leak does bring up Lucas or Ness getting cut (more likely Lucas), but I think we'll get more than 4 cuts at this point. Jiggly is incredibly possible to get cut, and even if she's not, she'll probably have lower priority than Mewtwo right now. Falco may also get cut because custom movesets make him irrelevant.

Hi toon Link

 

[chronomantic]

So.... I hate to beat a dead horse, but, opinions on the vid?

Oh yeah I remember this, it's very much fake. The original video came from here:
https://twitter.com/SmashLeaks1

after that video he posted another one where he superimposed that same animation over an already revealed trailer. He's just a kid messing around.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Hi toon Link

Toon Link doesn't have the exact same size and build as Link, unlike all other clones except perhaps Ganondorf (whom shouldn't have been a clone to begin with, and even then he's got a similar build to Captain Falcon).

 

[CroonerMike]

What if by some chance that Chrom actually is Lucina and the Choir Men/Man is actually a collection of Rhythm Haven Characters. He just could tell who the characters were like "Pokemon X and Y"

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Like I've said already, all this really says is that the guy only has access to E3-related promotional material.

You keep saying this like its relevant to the legitimacy of the leak. All we're here to discuss is the accuracy of his information, not the length of information is source is capable of obtaining. It's like you feel you need to make at the very least one good point despite the fact you spent a decade of more of pages being wrong.

Just relax and wait for newcomers not listed, I'm sure there are a few given the Rosalina sitch.

 

[BeatNinja]

I still find it weird how he never mentioned Rosalina once.

 

[Neo Zero]

I still find it weird how he never mentioned Rosalina once.

She was between leaks, is it really so strange? The only reason Mii, Pac Man and Mac were shown later was they were decided not to be shown at E3 for w/e reason.

 

[Shroob]

So, on this concept of enemies in Smash Run, anyone think we might get something like Fire Emblem enemies? Might be a bit hard since FE tends to have human enemies, but then again, it might actually be possible. Like different classes of FE characters, or Revenant enemies from Gaiden, Sacred Stones, and Awakening.



No, this leak does bring up Lucas or Ness getting cut (more likely Lucas), but I think we'll get more than 4 cuts at this point. Jiggly is incredibly possible to get cut, and even if she's not, she'll probably have lower priority than Mewtwo right now. Falco may also get cut because custom movesets make him irrelevant.

At this point, I think the only characters we should have any doubts about are squirtle, ivysaur, lucas and snake.

 

[Aninymouse]

At this point, I think the only characters we should have any doubts about are squirtle, ivysaur, lucas and snake.

Sounds about right.

Shame he didn't mention a certain gray-and-purple character being included... I would've liked an end to the suspense.

 

[CroonerMike]

I wonder if Sal's source can find out who or what will be DLC...if that part of the leak is true. Lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wonder if Sal's source can find out who or what will be DLC...if that part of the leak is true. Lol

I'm guessing not. DLC wouldn't be on the first sheet. Plus, we'll get awesome stuff, possibly cut guys too.

 

[papagenos]

Sounds about right.

Shame he didn't mention a certain gray -and-purple character being included... I would've liked an end to the suspense.

personally glad he didn't... mostly cause i think he IS in the game but since im not 100% like the rest of the gematsu leak (i've been a true believer since wii fit trainer) if he's in I'll actually have something to be super excited about...sadly since i beleived in the gematsu leaks nothing has really shocked me =/ though little macs reveal had me super psyched cause hes been my most wanted character since b4 melee.

I suppose rosalina and greninja were "surprising" im just not that big on them so it wasn't to exciting for me.

 

[Deleted member]

Did anyone point out yet, that the "Mii" is actually called "Mii Fighter," and he leaked them as a singular mii, instead of miis? A little nitpick, but it's going to be a good few weeks until we get another update on this leak.

I still think that this is a really amazing guess for now though. Watch if I said Wario would be revealed tomorrow, and it actually happened, suddenly I'd have some pretty good credibility.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Did anyone point out yet, that the "Mii" is actually called "Mii Fighter," and he leaked them as a singular mii, instead of miis? A little nitpick, but it's going to be a good few weeks until we get another update on this leak.

I still think that this is a really amazing guess for now though. Watch if I said Wario would be revealed tomorrow, and it actually happened, suddenly I'd have some pretty good credibility.

And he just happened to give us an e-mail right before Mii Fighters appeared calling out that name exactly as it is.

That only helps the leak.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Did anyone point out yet, that the "Mii" is actually called "Mii Fighter," and he leaked them as a singular mii, instead of miis? A little nitpick, but it's going to be a good few weeks until we get another update on this leak.

I still think that this is a really amazing guess for now though. Watch if I said Wario would be revealed tomorrow, and it actually happened, suddenly I'd have some pretty good credibility.

He actually updated the leak before their reveal with the name Mii Fighters so your point is invalid.

Also I will save my breath explaining to you how dumb it is (for the millionth time in this thread) to actually suggest that his record can be considered a string of lucky guesses, all things considered (the characters guessed, etc).

 

[Deleted member]

O: really, what else did this email say?

 

[JaidynReiman]

O: really, what else did this email say?

Its been talked about more than anyone can bare really.

- Last E3 before release. (obviously)
- Mii Fighter, Goddess Palutena, Chrom, Shulk, Chorus Men
- Either Lucas or Ness will be cut, not sure which one still.
- There will be post-release character DLC.

EDIT:
And of course, we have since seen Rhythm Heaven enemies in Smash Run.

 

[Stalking Fury]

I think a lot of you are getting confused as to what Sal said.

-"There has been internal debate about keeping Lucas versus Ness, apparently Lucas is likely to get the cut."

He said "apparently" and "likely." That doesn't mean either are for sure getting cut.

 

[Shroob]

I think a lot of you are getting confused as to what Sal said.

-"There has been internal debate about keeping Lucas versus Ness, apparently Lucas is likely to get the cut."

He said "apparently" and "likely." That doesn't mean either are for sure getting cut.

The fact we haven't officially seen any Mother content this far, especially since Lucas was a starting character last game, is not a good sign.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think a lot of you are getting confused as to what Sal said.

-"There has been internal debate about keeping Lucas versus Ness, apparently Lucas is likely to get the cut."

He said "apparently" and "likely." That doesn't mean either are for sure getting cut.

The general consensus is Lucas is more likely but Ness is still possible. (Which also does not bode well for Jigglypuff either.)

 

[DaDavid]

I forgot about these newer details of the leak. If I had to give up Lucas to get Shulk in... well I'd begrudgingly do it, so as of now I still want to believe.

 

[Stalking Fury]

The fact we haven't officially seen any Mother content this far, especially since Lucas was a starting character last game, is not a good sign.

We only learned of Lucas, what, two months before the initial release date?

 

[JaidynReiman]

We only learned of Lucas, what, two months before the initial release date?

And Toon Link was one of the last characters shown of previously, while Ike was one of the first Newcomers shown (after the initial reveal).

All of the characters are out of order now.

 

[papagenos]

Greninja (Japanese: ゲッコウガ Gekkouga)

Huh. Look at that. Concept art for Greninja, and it's got his Japanese name there. Interesting thing to note is how similar the concept art here is to the final product in Smash.

Carry on.

EDIT: For reference:

Lets use common sense here, finalized concept art and the original drawings for characters when they are being created are very VERY different things.

Concept art like that is given to game programers from the design team for modeling of sprites, or in X and Y's case 3D models so that they know exactly what the character looks like anatomically and will be represented in the game correctly.

Thats why that shows things like greninja from behind or "what he looks like with his mouth open", due to his tongue scarf this might be confusing for a programer (or animator in the animes case) if they have to show it, and thus "concept art" like that is used as a model for what to do in those situations. Anyone with a background in animation would know about why that sort of art is made.

When CREATING these characters an artist doesnt simplly sit down the first time. draw that. name it. and hand it in. That is certainly NOT how pokemon get created.

pokemon go through various stages of design until a team of designers agrees on how the character should look, certainly multiple sketches and changes before finalizing.

That latios/blaziken looking image someone posted a while back was to SHOW that characters go through changes before being finalized, that concept art ended up being the inspiration for two different pokemon, stuff like that happens all the time.

Greninja i'm SURE, being one of the starter pokemon, went through multiple concept art phases before being finalized possiblly multiple names and sakurai saw it during SOME part of its creation into the pokemon we know today and thus used the name "pokemon from x and y".

common sense. that is obviously what happened here.

 

[chronomantic]

And he just happened to give us an e-mail right before Mii Fighters appeared calling out that name exactly as it is.

That only helps the leak.

Not that this nitpick adds more credence to the leaker but Sal said he originally received the email the night before the Digital Event. It's still odd how he's been apparently only privy to E3 info but then he mentions Ness and Lucas. I guess we'll never know.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not that this nitpick adds more credence to the leaker but Sal said he originally received the email the night before the Digital Event. It's still odd how he's been apparently only privy to E3 info but then he mentions Ness and Lucas. I guess we'll never know.

Pretty much. The thing is, if Ness and Lucas are both in, it doesn't even hurt the leak. He went vague enough so no matter what happens to either of them, "he can't lose". DLC, however, is something that is notable. If it doesn't come up then he had to have lied somewhere.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

common sense. that is obviously what happened here.

We seriously doing this? You seriously don't think they wouldn't have final concept artwork to hand in to Sakurai when X and Y had been in development for eighteen months by the time Smash 4 went into development?

Please stop. My sides are killing me.

 

[papagenos]

We seriously doing this? You seriously don't think they wouldn't have final concept artwork to hand in to Sakurai when X and Y had been in development for eighteen months by the time Smash 4 went into development?

Please stop. My sides are killing me.

No.

I'm saying THAT particular art work probably was not done when sakurai chose the character.

Maybe they hadn't picked his name yet, could have had multiple choices before they finalized that, maybe they were choosing between tweeking a few minor model differences of the character, who knows, what we do know is sakurai used "pokemon from x and y" he said it himself. So that being said THAT concept art drawing is used for what i said it was used for: so programers and animators know what the anatomical look of the character is from any angle or situation, whatever sakurai saw must not have had a name written on it or chosen for certain yet.

 

[Captain Fun]

Any reason we're still discussing Greninja's name?

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Maybe they hadn't picked his name yet, could have had multiple choices before they finalized that, maybe they were choosing between tweeking a few minor model differences of the character, who knows, what we do know is sakurai used "pokemon from x and y" he said it himself. So that being said THAT concept art drawing is used for what i said it was used for: so programers and animators know what the anatomical look of the character is from any angle or situation, whatever sakurai saw must not have had a name written on it or chosen for certain yet.

The concept art I linked has the Japanese name for Gekkouga in it, dude. And I guarantee you that in the eighteen months since X and Y started development and conceptualization phases, they knew what they were calling him across every language they intended to release it in, further evidenced by the fact that the game launched worldwide on the same day, without the usual localization period some games saw.. which unfortunately we get to see for Smash 'cause they can't localize the game next to the Japanese version, but I digress.

Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter since we have no proof either way, so hey. Certainly haven't seen any other prototype concept art among all the other concept art I've seen, so who knows?

Any reason we're still discussing Greninja's name?

I asked the same question, but if you must know, it makes me feel froggy.

 

[Zacoftheaxes]

Came back to Smashboards just to post here. I'm pretty much 100% sure that what Sal Romano's source leaked is true. I'm also fairly certain that he doesn't have all the information because he didn't mention Rosalina and only mention one possible cut (Lucas) when there's probably three others (Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Snake).

With all the confirmed characters and the three still unconfirmed in the leak, we have 12 newcomers and probably 3 cuts. That's a net gain of 8. The original Smash had 12 characters, Melee added 14, and Brawl added 18 characters but cut 5 for a net gain of 13. So the average gain is 13 per game.

This either means there's a few newcomers that haven't been leaked (just like Rosalina wasn't leaked), There's not as many cuts as we thought, or the the DLC going on is very true and just as greedy as the leaker says.

 

[papagenos]

The concept art I linked has the Japanese name for Gekkouga in it, dude. And I guarantee you that in the eighteen months since X and Y started development and conceptualization phases, they knew what they were calling him across every language they intended to release it in, further evidenced by the fact that the game launched worldwide on the same day, without the usual localization period some games saw.. which unfortunately we get to see for Smash 'cause they can't localize the game next to the Japanese version, but I digress.

Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter since we have no proof either way, so hey. Certainly haven't seen any other prototype concept art among all the other concept art I've seen, so who knows?



I asked the same question, but if you must know, it makes me feel froggy.

there is no way to know for certain at what stage of design greninja was in when sakurai chose him, but we know sakurai called it "pokemon from x and y" and so did sal's leaker. early stage concept art is usually not shown to the public, stuff like that finalized greninja design is usually found in art books for animes and games and stuff, but its purpose is so that artists will depict the character "on model" when being shown in anything official (games/anime/ etc...).

 

[ChunkyBeef]

there is no way to know for certain at what stage of design greninja was in when sakurai chose him, but we know sakurai called it "pokemon from x and y" and so did sal's leaker. early stage concept art is usually not shown to the public, stuff like that finalized greninja design is usually found in art books for animes and games and stuff, but its purpose is so that artists will depict the character "on model" when being shown in anything official (games/anime/ etc...).

Definitely true, but like I said, if they didn't have Greninja/Gekkouga finalized in the span of the eighteen months from X/Y development start to Smash 4 development start, I'll eat my friggin' hat.

Luckily, I don't have a hat, so that's a safe bet, but even so.

 

[Deleted member]

The fact we haven't officially seen any Mother content this far, especially since Lucas was a starting character last game, is not a good sign.

...wasn't the Franklin Badge shown to be a returning item?


EDIT: Yep.

EDIT 2:
Mr. Saturn too.

 

[papagenos]

Definitely true, but like I said, if they didn't have Greninja/Gekkouga finalized in the span of the eighteen months from X/Y development start to Smash 4 development start, I'll eat my friggin' hat.

Luckily, I don't have a hat, so that's a safe bet, but even so.

i'd say he was probably fairly finalized but they really may have been on the fence between a name or 2...even if they were probably going with greninja.

for example off the top of my head the final hobbit movie has switched its title in the final 6 months before its release.

stuff like that happens through out the design of a character...regardless the main point is sakurai saying he used pokemon from x and y basically confirms sal's leaker using the same title for the character.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

...wasn't the Franklin Badge shown to be a returning item?

Yes indeed, and those are some sexy pictures.

You know, I think I'm probably being way too optimistic here, but do you think they're holding back on announcing Ness and Lucas 'cause they intend to announce them alongside another Mother rep?

I understand that's some pie-in-the-sky stuff there, but gosh, I think I could finally die happy.

 

[Deleted member]

I think Ness (not Lucas) is being held back for the same reason Wario and Captain Falcon are.

Just because. Sakurai: *laughs*