The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Deleted member]

See, that's the thing I hate about fan made rosters.... 12 new comers?!? Get that out of here.

9 of which are confirmed and 3 of which are extremely likely.

 

[xxEliteAlicexx]

See, that's the thing I hate about fan made rosters.... 12 new comers?!? Get that out of here.

9 of which are confirmed and 3 of which are extremely likely.

That's not even the point I'm trying to make, so please don't be one of those people. I mean dang I believe this leak, but only 12? The guy didn't even get Rosalina so I'm pretty sure we'll have more than 12... anything less than 14-15 I'll be disappointed. Either way I'd still get it.... Where is the source of Lucas being cut? Nuuuh lol

 

[TheAnvil]

CSS' change all the time from Demo to release. And the CSS boxes can easily change in size or shape to fit whatever number of characters they choose to put in.

Even if Gematsu's leak IS 100% legit, and those are the only newcomers, there's still no concrete evidence that anyone from Brawl will be cut. That whole "Lucas may be cut" thing doesn't fit, it reminds me of one of those "I know what Sakurai's inner most thoughts are" leaks. He couldn't name Greninja, or Villager, (or Mii Fighter a year ago) but now he knows Sakurai is having a debate about who to cut? And as I've previously said, the roster would have been finalized a hell of a long time ago at this point. They're in the bug testing/balance stage of development and have been for some time.

12 newcomers + 39 Brawl vets (or even 38(-Snake)+Mewtwo) + random fit perfectly on a 4x13 select screen. And the 3DS' screen can easily be achieved by having a toggle button (RB/LB) for a different set of characters on display ala the Mario Golf 3DS CSS. Otherwise the 3DS wouldn't even have room for DLC, and if you think about it 40+ characters will be WAY too crammed on such a small screen.

What really annoys me though, is if the Gematsu newcomers ARE 100% it, they've clearly purposely put characters that most (as in the non-die hards) people wouldn't pay for on (Chorus Men, Mii, WFT, 3rd FE clone and arguably Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac) and left the most wanted/unique Nintendo characters (Ridley's, Mewtwo's and K.K. Rool's) for DLC.

 

[Staarih]

What really annoys me though, is if the Gematsu newcomers ARE 100% it, they've clearly purposely put characters that most (as in the non-die hards) people wouldn't pay for on (Chorus Men, Mii, WFT, 3rd FE clone and arguably Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac) and left the most wanted/unique Nintendo characters (Ridley's, Mewtwo's and K.K. Rool's) for DLC.

This is a good point, and I wouldn't surprised if it ended up being something like this. Especially if Nintendo is money-oriented (which business isn't?) and doesn't offer the DLC for free. I'd be annoyed about it too, though.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I doubt Ridley as DLC, we saw him already probably as a boss.
I dunno, would they sell characters with new stages ? Would cost as much as PASBR ?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I doubt Ridley as DLC, we saw him already probably as a boss.
I dunno, would they sell characters with new stages ? Would cost as much as PASBR ?

Wasn't that other M Ridley though? They could be keeping classic Ridley for DLC.

It makes sense really, why have characters like Dr. Mario or Pichu as dlc when you can have Ridley, Mewtwo, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Isaac, Takamaru etc. Characters that are bound to be opening wallets in droves.

Talking about DLC, this is pure speculation but I wonder if they might have dlc bundles that centre around one specific character and have stages, music, items etc to go with it......and release 2 to 4 of them a year. They could hype them up in directs and have a continuous stream of money heading towards them.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So what's new?

 

[UberPyro64]

The RosalinaX leak claimed 4 cuts. So that's seeming more likely now with the Lucas comment. But it also claimed 48. With the roster pick, it can only have 47. So somehow if that were true than they would have to be a 48th characters. Unless he was just counting slots and counted random with it. If there is a 48th it most likely would be Mewtwo. In the most recent one he didn't mention anymore newcomers which leads me to believe that's it for them.

 

[TheAnvil]

RosalinaX was debunked.

 

[Spazzy_D]

RosalinaX was debunked.

Was it debunked or was is dismissed? I feel like we just didn't have enough info and didn't think he was credible...I could be wrong though.

So what's new?

Going over Rosalina X... everything old is new again.

 

[UberPyro64]

RosalinaX was debunked.

That's what I've heard but it's still damn funny that it most likely got the 4 cuts thing right. Same with the roster size if Mewtwo is in.

 

[TheAnvil]

That's what I've heard but it's still damn funny that it most likely got the 4 cuts thing right. Same with the roster size if Mewtwo is in.

48+ Random would look awkward as fudge on a select screen. Unless they brought back another Melee cut which seems rather unlikely. It could easily end up being 4x13, with 12 newcomers, and 39 vets (Mewtwo or Snake) and random.

Plus CSS change from demo to release all the time, so using them to try and decipher how large a roster is fairly pointless. Remember the MvC3 demo screen?

 

[TheTuninator]

What really annoys me though, is if the Gematsu newcomers ARE 100% it, they've clearly purposely put characters that most (as in the non-die hards) people wouldn't pay for on (Chorus Men, Mii, WFT, 3rd FE clone and arguably Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac) and left the most wanted/unique Nintendo characters (Ridley's, Mewtwo's and K.K. Rool's) for DLC.

I doubt that we'll get Ridley and K. Rool for DLC if they aren't included in the main roster.

You're greatly overselling the popularity of K. Rool and Ridley if you think that way more people would pay for them than the characters you list.

Palutena was highly requested, FE is an old and popular series and FE characters are always very popular in Smash, Rhythm Heaven sold very well, everyone has played Wii Fit, Xenoblade was very popular and one of the defining games of the Wii, and the hype for Little Mac was insane.

The sour grapes attitude of Ridley and K. Rool fans is really disrespectful to fans of other characters. Those two aren't automatically the most deserving inclusions, and it's not a travesty if they don't make their way onto the final roster.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Keep in mind that Ridley, unlike Shulk, Palutena and Chrom, isn't popular over in Japan. K. Rool definetly is. If Paid newcomer DLC is going to be done, it would likely be done with characters that are popular world-wide.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sal's leaker did not say the DLC is paid only. He didn't even say it was about characters, but the latter can be assumed, since he's only talked about the roster.(can be, not guaranteed the case)

Ridley was not confirmed as anything. Seriously, dude, wait till Sakurai actually proves that. He's hinted at it without confirming anything. Could be a Stage Hazard and Playable. We don't know, and it's not even related to this topic. He also severely knows how much people want him now, so if DLC characters will happen and he's not in the original roster, he might still come up.

 

[Maxilian]

Keepi in mind that Ridley, unlike Shulk, Palutena and Chrom, isn't popular over in Japan. K. Rool definetly is. If Paid newcomer DLC is going to be done, it would likely be done with characters that are popular world-wide.

That doesn't really mean anything, Little Mac is a really obscure character in Japan (Most people there don't really understand why he was added)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It means that more likely, if Ridley was left out, it is not because Sakurai deliberately keeps him out for the sake of profit, but because he doesn't see Ridley as playable material for some reason and purposely putting in "less popular" characters just for DLC opportunities.

 

[TheAnvil]

I doubt that we'll get Ridley and K. Rool for DLC if they aren't included in the main roster.

You're greatly overselling the popularity of K. Rool and Ridley if you think that way more people would pay for them than the characters you list.

Palutena was highly requested, FE is an old and popular series and FE characters are always very popular in Smash, Rhythm Heaven sold very well, everyone has played Wii Fit, Xenoblade was very popular and one of the defining games of the Wii, and the hype for Little Mac was insane.

The sour grapes attitude of Ridley and K. Rool fans is really disrespectful to fans of other characters. Those two aren't automatically the most deserving inclusions, and it's not a travesty if they don't make their way onto the final roster.

Not really.

Let's take KI for instance, Uprising one sold about 1.18m copies.
DK country returns sold over 6m on the Wii, and an additional 1.5m on the 3DS. I know K. Rool wasn't in them, but as the Bowser for the DK series, he's far more well known than Palutena. And genuinely has been one of the most requested characters since pre-brawl. Palutena's "surge" in popularity came from the very right assumption that Sakurai is extremely biased towards franchises that he likes.
Similarly, FE Awakening sold under 1m copies, and the FE fanbase was split over whether they even wanted him.

Popularity and sales are intimately linked. Just because a very vocal minority wanted something, it doesn't translate to what would have been more universaly appreciated.

I'm not even a Ridley fan (and am a Little Mac fan), and I know how much people want him, how popular he is and that he was a LOT more wanted than Mac.

In extension to their popularity with the die-hards, you look at any list from any video game website (or youtube videos) about which characters they want, Ridley and/or K. Rool appear in nearly every one of them.

 

[Vintage Creep]

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Sneaky_Spirit

So, yeah, it's confirmed.
All the enemies appearing in Smash Run come from a franchise which has a playable character in the roster, and that can only mean that Rhythm Heaven does, indeed, have a playable character. I never played that franchise so I don't know if the Chorus Kids make sense, but it's simply too fishy to have any doubts. If that guy predicted both Wii Fit Trainer and Rhythm Kids, that guy knows something. There is no possibility of being that lucky.
Now, that means that Shulk is playable and that is my most wanted newcomer, so **** yeah. Let's wait, maybe they'll spot a Mechon in Smash Run if the Sneaky Spirit isn't enough.
I'm not too hot for Chrom but hey, I'm pretty sure Sakurai will make me love him too.
Now, if that was the complete roster of newcomers (12 characters for 14 movesets in total) I wouldn't be disappointed, but I wouldn't be crazy about it either. The fact that the leaker didn't mention Rosalina & Luma (if he did, we wouldn't even have this conversation I guess) makes me hope that there are going to be other newcomers. I expected around 15/16 which is still doable imho.
I don't know about that Rosalina_X leak, what did it say other than the total number and the cuts?

 

[Mechonis]

Guys, guys, Lucas will be an alternate costume with Ness and you can use the custom moves to make the moves be like Lucas' were.

/trollface.

 

[Staarih]

Ok, that Sneaky Spirit was it for me: I believe the Sal leak. Not that it should have taken me this long I guess.

 

[TheAnvil]

Sal's leaker did not say the DLC is paid only. He didn't even say it was about characters, but the latter can be assumed, since he's only talked about the roster.(can be, not guaranteed the case)

Ridley was not confirmed as anything. Seriously, dude, wait till Sakurai actually proves that. He's hinted at it without confirming anything. Could be a Stage Hazard and Playable. We don't know, and it's not even related to this topic. He also severely knows how much people want him now, so if DLC characters will happen and he's not in the original roster, he might still come up.

Nah, Sal's 3rd leak he said (I'm paraphrasing with this): "They're going to be doing post-launch character DLC", Sal commented that the "source" thought it was greedy.

 

[TheTuninator]

Not really.

Let's take KI for instance, Uprising one sold about 1.18m copies.
DK country returns sold over 6m on the Wii, and an additional 1.5m on the 3DS. I know K. Rool wasn't in them, but as the Bowser for the DK series, he's far more well known than Palutena. And genuinely has been one of the most requested characters since pre-brawl. Palutena's "surge" in popularity came from the very right assumption that Sakurai is extremely biased towards franchises that he likes.
Similarly, FE Awakening sold under 1m copies, and the FE fanbase was split over whether they even wanted him.

DK Country Returns sales' numbers are largely irrelevant for determining K. Rool's popularity for exactly the reason you point out.

I'm not saying that K. Rool and Ridley aren't highly requested, just that assuming that nobody else can rival their numbers is just silly.

K. Rool hasn't been in games in, what, over a decade? He will have much less visibility among younger Smashers, a major target demographic.

Popularity and sales are intimately linked. Just because a very vocal minority wanted something, it doesn't translate to what would have been more universaly appreciated.

I'd actually apply this in rebuttal of your argument. Ridley and K. Rool are highly discussed on sites that engage in Smash speculation, but that doesn't mean that they're the #1 most wanted newcomers overall.

I'm not even a Ridley fan (and am a Little Mac fan), and I know how much people want him, how popular he is and that he was a LOT more wanted than Mac.

In extension to their popularity with the die-hards, you look at any list from any video game website (or youtube videos) about which characters they want, Ridley and/or K. Rool appear in nearly every one of them.

Let's take a look at this poll for some hard statistics:

http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/

Ridley and K. Rool both had about as many votes as Little Mac in this round, and considerably less than Shulk. Ridley and K. Rool ended up advancing to the semi-finals, but lost there, where Shulk still got more votes than K. Rool.

Ridley and K. Rool are popular, yes. They are not the be-all, end all of Smash representation, and if you really think Sakurai would willfully hold them back for the sake of profit you do the man a great disservice.

 

[egaddmario]

Nah, Sal's 3rd leak he said (I'm paraphrasing with this): "They're going to be doing post-launch character DLC", Sal commented that the "source" thought it was greedy.

I'm hoping the post-launch DLC is for characters for games that release after Smash comes out, like an Inkling from Splatoon.

 

[MM3K]

With how stubborn Sakurai is, I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley doesn't ever appear as playable character in a Smash game. However, if you had asked me what I thought about the Villager's chances before he was revealed, I would've told the same thing, so I guess it is everyone's game 'till Ridley's deconfirmed for realsies.

I also can't really see K. Rool in Smash, I just don't think it'll fit, also, as a character, he isn't relevant anymore, but whatever, you could make a very solid case for G&W and he's already sort of confirmed. I really don't like him though, so I hope there's no more Rosalinas if their going to be either of them (Ridley, K. Rool), but it's not the end of the world for me if they do make it in.

 

[TheAnvil]

DK Country Returns sales' numbers are largely irrelevant for determining K. Rool's popularity for exactly the reason you point out.

I'm not saying that K. Rool and Ridley aren't highly requested, just that assuming that nobody else can rival their numbers is just silly.

K. Rool hasn't been in games in, what, over a decade? He will have much less visibility among younger Smashers, a major target demographic.



I'd actually apply this in rebuttal of your argument. Ridley and K. Rool are highly discussed on sites that engage in Smash speculation, but that doesn't mean that they're the #1 most wanted newcomers overall.



Let's take a look at this poll for some hard statistics:

http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/

Ridley and K. Rool both had about as many votes as Little Mac in this round, and considerably less than Shulk. Ridley and K. Rool ended up advancing to the semi-finals, but lost there, where Shulk still got more votes than K. Rool.

Ridley and K. Rool are popular, yes. They are not the be-all, end all of Smash representation, and if you really think Sakurai would willfully hold them back for the sake of profit you do the man a great disservice.

I'm really only using them as examples due to their popularity. You also need to remember that different continents like differnet characters. Mac maybe popular over here, but not in Japan etc. And different characters have popularity within different groups (casuals and die-hards).

I think it's actually about 7 years since K. Rool's last appearance in a game as he was in Barrel Blast.

I'm hoping the post-launch DLC is for characters for games that release after Smash comes out, like an Inkling from Splatoon.

I think Splatoon looks great. I'd love Captain Toad with his pickaxe.

 

[CaptainCrisb]

Seriously guys? You're acting really immature. Just because you don't get your Ridley or Mewtwo doesn't mean Sakurai is selfish and stubborn. You should be grateful he was able to get Little Mac in, he got Mega Man in, and you guys complain because one or two characters aren't in? Even I'm not like that, despite Snake's almost for sure deconfirmation.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

With how stubborn Sakurai is, I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley doesn't ever appear as playable character in a Smash game. However, if you had asked me what I thought about the Villager's chances before he was revealed, I would've told the same thing, so I guess it is everyone's game 'till Ridley's deconfirmed for realsies.

I also can't really see K. Rool in Smash, I just don't think it'll fit, also, as a character, he isn't relevant anymore, but whatever, you could make a very solid case for G&W and he's already sort of confirmed. I really don't like him though, so I hope there's no more Rosalinas if their going to be either of them (Ridley, K. Rool), but it's not the end of the world for me if they do make it in.

For the record, his message said that he wanted to put in characters before Villager. It's a bit of a different story. He also did legitimately say "I did not consider putting in Ridley during Brawl's development." He's aware of the situation, but I'm not so sure that's a good example of it. This is why I don't entirely expect Ridley. The constant teasing is the only reason I think he has a chance to be playable, and that's about it. Palutena was teased far less, and well... albeit, she was obvious.

Seriously guys? You're acting really immature. Just because you don't get your Ridley or Mewtwo doesn't mean Sakurai is selfish and stubborn. You should be grateful he was able to get Little Mac in, he got Mega Man in, and you guys complain because one or two characters aren't in? Even I'm not like that, despite Snake's almost for sure deconfirmation.

Let's calm down a bit, although I do overall agree. Kind of silly.

That said, um, is any of this type of thing appropriate to this thread?

Any Mods wish to chime in, or SSBFan?(seriously, your new name is hard type, man)

 

[CaptainCrisb]

For the record, his message said that he wanted to put in characters before Villager. It's a bit of a different story. He also did legitimately say "I did not consider putting in Ridley during Brawl's development." He's aware of the situation, but I'm not so sure that's a good example of it. This is why I don't entirely expect Ridley. The constant teasing is the only reason I think he has a chance to be playable, and that's about it. Palutena was teased far less, and well... albeit, she was obvious.


Let's calm down a bit, although I do overall agree. Kind of silly.

That said, um, is any of this type of thing appropriate to this thread?

Any Mods wish to chime in, or SSBFan?(seriously, your new name is hard type, man)

Ope, yeah, going on topic XD I honestly believe that this leak is real at this point. Just seems to stick out. But, of course, there'll be more deniers... that's how I look at it

 

[Maxilian]

DK Country Returns sales' numbers are largely irrelevant for determining K. Rool's popularity for exactly the reason you point out.

I'm not saying that K. Rool and Ridley aren't highly requested, just that assuming that nobody else can rival their numbers is just silly.

K. Rool hasn't been in games in, what, over a decade? He will have much less visibility among younger Smashers, a major target demographic.



I'd actually apply this in rebuttal of your argument. Ridley and K. Rool are highly discussed on sites that engage in Smash speculation, but that doesn't mean that they're the #1 most wanted newcomers overall.



Let's take a look at this poll for some hard statistics:

http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/

Ridley and K. Rool both had about as many votes as Little Mac in this round, and considerably less than Shulk. Ridley and K. Rool ended up advancing to the semi-finals, but lost there, where Shulk still got more votes than K. Rool.

Ridley and K. Rool are popular, yes. They are not the be-all, end all of Smash representation, and if you really think Sakurai would willfully hold them back for the sake of profit you do the man a great disservice.

Woooooooooo!!!!!! GHIRAHIM HAVE MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE!

The one who's close is Waluigi but he's already an AT... so YAY!

Edit: Yeah i know that Captain N have as much votes as Ghirahim but he's not going to happen sorry

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Why have people lost hope in Ridley and Mewtwo when they're probably still going to be in the game? Even if it's as DLC...

 

[Maxilian]

Why have people lost hope in Ridley and Mewtwo when they're probably still going to be in the game? Even if it's as DLC...

I haven't lost hope in Mewtwo but Ridley.... well i'm just trying to not expect much (If Ridley ends up being introduced i will expect Ghirahim based on the trophies hints)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As a moderator, I'm going to have to tell you guys to keep it civil.

On the same token though, The Sal leak is all but confirmed at this point based on recent developments. If you add on the math done by a user from another site, realizing that the roster select screen can hold 48 spots including Random, we're looking at a roster of 47.

If you subtract Snake, Lucas, Squirtle and Ivysaur, that bumps us down to 35 characters from Brawl. Add the Sal leak and the newcomers we know...

Villager, WFT, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Miis, Palutena, Greninja, Chorus Men, Shulk, Chrom, Mega Man (11). That gives us 46. Although, for all we know the Mii's might be their own slot separate from the roster based on the fact they aren't usable for Online Play. Take that for what you will.

 

[Toologist]

As a moderator, I'm going to have to tell you guys to keep it civil.

On the same token though, The Sal leak is all but confirmed at this point based on recent developments. If you add on the math done by a user from another site, realizing that the roster select screen can hold 48 spots including Random, we're looking at a roster of 47.

If you subtract Snake, Lucas, Squirtle and Ivysaur, that bumps us down to 35 characters from Brawl. Add the Sal leak and the newcomers we know...

Villager, WFT, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Miis, Palutena, Greninja, Chorus Men, Shulk, Chrom, Mega Man (11). That gives us 46. Although, for all we know the Mii's might be their own slot separate from the roster based on the fact they aren't usable for Online Play. Take that for what you will.

It was confirmed by an official in a video from the Treehouse yesterday that the Mii Fighters will occupy only one slot on the CSS.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It was confirmed by an official in a video from the Treehouse yesterday that the Mii Fighters will occupy only one slot on the CSS.

Hmmm...well that's interesting. Did they show a picture of footage of it?

The only reason I'm still wondering is because of them not being usable online. Would the roster itself change shape or size, or would the Mii's in generally have their own spot, similar to Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, or Mario Kart?

 

[Neo Zero]

As a moderator, I'm going to have to tell you guys to keep it civil.

On the same token though, The Sal leak is all but confirmed at this point based on recent developments. If you add on the math done by a user from another site, realizing that the roster select screen can hold 48 spots including Random, we're looking at a roster of 47.

If you subtract Snake, Lucas, Squirtle and Ivysaur, that bumps us down to 35 characters from Brawl. Add the Sal leak and the newcomers we know...

Villager, WFT, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Miis, Palutena, Greninja, Chorus Men, Shulk, Chrom, Mega Man (11). That gives us 46. Although, for all we know the Mii's might be their own slot separate from the roster based on the fact they aren't usable for Online Play. Take that for what you will.

You forgot Rosalina mate.

 

[ScottyWK]

Hmmm...well that's interesting. Did they show a picture of footage of it?

The only reason I'm still wondering is because of them not being usable online. Would the roster itself change shape or size, or would the Mii's in generally have their own spot, similar to Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, or Mario Kart?

They'll probably just get X'd or grayed out when playing With Anyone online. Not that strange or anything.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Hmmm...well that's interesting. Did they show a picture of footage of it?

The only reason I'm still wondering is because of them not being usable online. Would the roster itself change shape or size, or would the Mii's in generally have their own spot, similar to Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, or Mario Kart?

From what I remember, you select them, then select a style to use of them. Depending on the speed of how quickly you choose your customization, that could affect their competitive use. (same with customization in general)

That said, I think we did get a picture on this topic showing them in one slot.

 

[Toologist]

Hmmm...well that's interesting. Did they show a picture of footage of it?

The only reason I'm still wondering is because of them not being usable online. Would the roster itself change shape or size, or would the Mii's in generally have their own spot, similar to Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, or Mario Kart?

No, they did not. Still not sure how this affects the screen. He just basically said without visual aid that the Miis are all one spot. Let me find the video. Hold on one sec...

 

[ScottyWK]

From what I remember, you select them, then select a style to use of them. Depending on the speed of how quickly you choose your customization, that could affect their competitive use. (same with customization in general)

That said, I think we did get a picture on this topic showing them in one slot.

They are all listed together on the website, and the website uses the official character art for each character. So I would imagine that that's exactly how they'll show up on the char. select screen, with maybe a sub-screen popping up when you click it asking you which version you want, and which Mii face you want to import, etc.