The Official Michigan Brawl Power Rankings: Season 11 Images Up!

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Um the real reason that MI got such a growth of players is because me and tech met a bunch of West MI players at youmacon, also superTH did a good job of getting a west Michigan scene. The rest of our "recent" activity boom was ps3, where we got a bunch of new players due to advertising. The MK ban was a factor in that we got people from OoS and OoC to come, which generated hype and made people think it was gonna be a super legit tourney. But in reality like after ps3 we had a decent amount of new people say that they thought it was poorly run and don't want to come to another tourney of that size.

in short, the east MI scene hasn't particularly grown, we just got an influx of west MI to come to our events a scene that we had pretty much left for dead after the ludington fiasco. So um sneaky i guess u could hope that a bunch of new people start a scene on their own and get in touch with you about it via smashboards l0l.

The MK ban had a part... but its not even close to being the sole/main factor if anyone was leading you to believe that.

 

[Roller]

The rest of our "recent" activity boom was ps4, where we got a bunch of new players due to advertising. The MK ban was a factor in that we got people from OoS and OoC to come, which generated hype and amde people think it was gonna be a super legit tourny. But in reality like after ps4 we had a decent amount of new people say that they thought it was poorly run and dont want to come to another tourny of that size.

That's cool and all, but... How can you see the future?

 

[Ori_bro]

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[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

That's cool and all, but... How can you see the future?

Was it 3? I'll fix it if so.

 

[Ori_bro]

PS4 is in June.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

edited, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Roller]

Doesn't matter. I have it quoted in bold. The world will know of your error.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Well I'd rather fix my error's than leave them as errors.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

rollers all about that proofreading

 

[Roller]

Yoooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Ori_bro]

rollers all about that proofreading

lmao

 

[Infern Angelis]

your amv sucked tho

Thanks for the view

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

The OP has finally been updated with the upcoming tournaments and tournaments that count for Season 5. I will be adding more out of state tournaments that MI plans on attending.

 

[DtJ Composer]

1Down2Jared3Money

 

[DRDN]

So DW2 won't count?

 

[zyth]

have you seen ur stage list?

 

[Player-1]

i like roller is #4 cuz he's the dumb one, lulz.

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

lain should have ICs

he beat domo with them

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I will add that. Thanks, Gio.

DRDN...There isn't a thread for your tournament...lol.

On top of that, I can't really count it for the PR between your stage list and the fact that you are making people character lock for the entire tournament. You can't reasonably expect me to count that towards our state's rankings.

 

[Solharath]

I will add that. Thanks, Gio.

DRDN...There isn't a thread for your tournament...lol.

On top of that, I can't really count it for the PR between your stage list and the fact that you are making people character lock for the entire tournament. You can't reasonably expect me to count that towards our state's rankings.

I'd mention Cold Con, as it had Unity Ruleset, but.

Yeah.

 

[DRDN]

I will add that. Thanks, Gio.

DRDN...There isn't a thread for your tournament...lol.

On top of that, I can't really count it for the PR between your stage list and the fact that you are making people character lock for the entire tournament. You can't reasonably expect me to count that towards our state's rankings.

Lol stagelist hate before its even posted char locked shouldn't invalidate a tournament? You had char banned count...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

MK Banned was considered a standard at one point.

DRDN: Those are not on the same level by any means. You are essentially taking away half of the concept known as Counterpicking by forcing someone to stay to one character. As if top tier needed a boost. We might as well be in a Gamestop...lol.

I'm not knocking your event but there is absolutely no way I could count a character lock tournament as PR eligible.

You want your events to count for the PR?

Host a competitive tournament. Then we'll talk.

 

[MegaRobMan]

Character locking is pretty bad for a PR imho.

But his stage list is supposedly godly. If it really is BF/FD/DP only, it's not as if he has stages that are NOT legal Legal like at the last one.

btw, if you got rid of FD and added Pictochat, I would consider running it to coincide with your tournaments, no joke. Pictochat is way more neutral/competitive than FD.

Also, why is Thugz not at least #2.

 

[Zankoku]

DRDN, if you want to run non-standard rules at your tournaments, I highly suggest a much more frequent schedule for it. People might not have a problem coming by every week or two and enjoying something different. I can't say the same about going through two or three normal ones and then having yours after all that.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I'm not saying its a bad idea. Sometimes something more casual is ideal! But, I just can't justify it being a part of the PR. It's not like these type of events don't have a niche though.

 

[DRDN]

Taking out MK changes the counter picking system worse then a char lock

Atleast everyone gets to play Their Main. And it used to be

Lose game 1
Pick stage bad for your opponent
They go MK
FUUUUUUUUU

And doubles became quad mks because everyone has a poket mk from doing that






But no I don't ever expect a DW to be pr worthy. Its meant to be a fun break from normal tourneys. Also a chance for us to keep up on our abilty to win ****ed up MMs

Drunk brawl we will rule all

I was thinking of having a tourney a month but they wouldn't be DWs

 

[Roller]

Should probably add SKTAR and CoT6 for tourneys next season. I've seen MI interest for both.

 

[kd-]

Pick stage bad for your opponent

Why not just pick a good stage for you?

 

[Damittom]

Why not just pick a good stage for you?

Because that's not how Americans think. Rather than try to win by being a better player than their opponent we try to handicap our opponent by putting their character on a stage that it struggles on. Honestly people should only pick stages they enjoy and feel comfortable on not the stage that makes their opponents character unplayable forcing a mk switch

 

[Ori_bro]

Legit knows whats up.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I like how Ori d-rides Japanese players, then instead of playing like them relies on broken stages and hard character counterpicks to almost win sets.














EDIT: Zinoto sucks

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I probably should not have laughed.

But I did.

 

[Eddie G]

Ouch...lol.

 

[Ori_bro]

I like how Ori d-rides Japanese players, then instead of playing like them relies on broken stages and hard character counterpicks to almost win sets.












EDIT: Zinoto sucks

Aight Tutu I wanna hear this,

What broken stages have I cp'd to win sets or get close to winning the set as of late? The only one I did was DeLux on Brinstar at VENGEANCE because he was ICs and I was Olimar.

Hard Character Counterpicks? I use in only 3 MUs because I feel the most comfortable with them. Sure I throw MK in there but its bad lol and hasnt won a tourney set in a while.


Please elaborate. Because arent you the guy who went Sheik on a new guy who used fox?

 

[Damittom]

Please elaborate. Because arent you the guy who went Sheik on a new guy who used fox?

Wait a sec that is irrelevant Tutu mains Shiek, it is the only character he plays (competitvely). It would be different if I picked shiek in that situation

 

[Gifts]

Oh please ori you shouldn't be throwing out the "arent you the guy who used shiek against a fox" card on tutu when you have used icies against multiple new comers both in friendlies and in tournament.

Not to mention EVERY single person you play in tournament/pools you wait for them to pick their character and then you pick yours. You do understand that this is hard counterpicking right? You get to hand pick every single mu you play so its either a character advantage or mu knowlege preference with a certain character.

 

[Roller]

Why not just pick a good stage for you?

You are thinking like a Melee player. You guys don't have "hard CPs." In Brawl, why pick your "best" stage, when you can pick a stage that forces your opponent to use a character they aren't good with, or stay and get ****ed with their main due to abusive strategies/stage gimmicks.

Please elaborate. Because arent you the guy who went Sheik on a new guy who used fox?

I mean... The guy MAINS sheik. It's different.

And didn't you go ICs vs a new fox in tournament at ICE? That is at LEAST as hard of a CP. I'd consider it an even stronger CP, myself.

You switch your characters BASED on the character your opponent mains/chooses. That is exactly what CPing is. You went MK vs me, you went ICs vs Tutu, you went to Brinstar vs DeLux, etc.

I have no doubt that if Brinstar was legal at a tourney, and I didn't ban it you would take me there if we played.

That is hard CPing.

Also, I've seen you use ICs vs at least double the number of characters you listed. None of which are bad MUs for ICs however. You never play a bad mu, unless you lose in the good mu first and make a last ditch effort.

That is CPing.

I don't understand how you can feel you don't do this. Anyone with multiple high-top tier characters inherently does this.

That all being said. It is what you SHOULD do given the rulesets and MUs. You use having multiple characters to your advantage, and push that advantage as much as you can. Nothing wrong with that. It's what any competitive player with multiple characters and a desire to win would do.

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

yeah like at ice when ori randomly CPed me to FD and switched to olimar because he knows i hate that matchup

very 'japanese' of him.

i'm pretty sure ori is the person in MI that plays the most like an 'american' in the regard of CPing

also obviously you'd be more 'comfortable' using ICs against sheik when it's like a 1000-0 matchup, dont even try with that bull****

 

[kd-]

In Brawl, why pick your "best" stage, when you can pick a stage that forces your opponent to use a character they aren't good with, or stay and get ****ed with their main due to abusive strategies/stage gimmicks.

I mean, sure there's obvious advantages to picking against your opponent, but you can't really complain when they pick a different character that has advantages on that stage like mk - and before you nitpick me ^_^;, I'm not saying you, Roller, specifically complained about it, just in general. Even though I'm not a Brawl player, I'm not so sure that the stage gimmicks are that helpful - they help, but it's still going to come down to the two players.

You are thinking like a Melee player. You guys don't have "hard CPs."

Captain Falcon kind of has the same "win game 1 or else" sort of thing, as Juggleguy explained to me after playing Anther's Pikachu - during stage strike he has to remove Fountain and FD, and then win game 1 so he can ban one of those. Pikachu's chain grab and overall game against Falcon is great on FD and Fountain has it's quirks against Falcons. Fountain is kind of a hard CP for Falcon as is.

Fountain is also a good hard CP against Ganon.

Try Samus vs. practically anyone on Kongo Jungle 64. She can get camped all day, is super forced to approach in terrible situations, and it's hard to tether.

I'd say Marth vs. Fox on FD is a decent hard CP. It's true that it's pretty scary for Marth as well, since he can get combo'd across the stage and the moderately low ceiling doesn't help in the matchup at all, but he can definitely slow the Fox down and take stocks easily with the chain grab. Fox vs. Falco in FD is in the same light, since Fox can chain grab Falco here and it may or may not be easier to navigate through lasers without the platforms (I like platform camping myself but that's only because I suck vs. lasers with Fox).

IC's on Brinstar is lolz in both games.

Any floaty will probably try to hard CP Marth to Dreamland. Marth's kill moves/skillset are a little more exploited on that stage, as Marth can't non-gimp kill as easily. I'm not sure, but it's probably the same for Mario as well.

Fox taking Jiggs to Yoshi's is pretty common since the blastzones are small and the Jiggs has a pretty hard time getting Fox off of her. Plus Randall is probably only going to help the Fox recover during opportune times.

I mean... The guy MAINS sheik. It's different.

You said it before I could =]

 

[k9.]

Why isn't inui number one anymore?