The Official "Megaman in SSBB" Topic!

[RDK]

The funny thing is that whenever someone brings up the 3 laws, I start thinking about I. Robot.
"Well, you know what they say; Laws are meant to be broken."

Lol, I like how they totally ripped Asimov off.

 

[Blood Alpha]

Has this been posted before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpRTGtAmno

if not why?. A prelude of things to come in the future perhaps, especially if X makes it into Brawl.

 

[Rex+]

Lol, I like how they totally ripped Asimov off.

Wasn't Asimov the guy who wrote the original script for I, Robot?
The true first one was never made into a movie.

Back on topic... of course X wasn't made to be a killing machine, but since the robot actually had a highly advanced A.I., it could question those rules for itself.
Even Dr. Light was scared about this. In fact, X was the first in his generation of robots with free will.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

>.>; I still find it hard to believe that, as far as X canon goes, he was discovered and reactivated by a frickin' botanist.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Rex+]

Ok, here is Dr. Light's complete warning message that came along with the capsule he was sealed in...

"X is the first of a new generation of robots which contain an innovative new feature - the ability to think, feel, and make their own decisions. However this ability could be very dangerous. If X were to break the first rule of robotoics "A robot must never harm a human being" the results would be disastrous and I fear that no force on Earth could stop him.

Approximately 30 years will be required before we can safely confirm his reliability. Unfortunately I will not live to see that day, nor do I have anyone to carry on my work. Therefore, I have decided to seal him in this capsule, which will test his internal systems until his reliability has been confirmed. Please do not disturb the capsule until that time.

X possesses great risks as well as great possibilities. I can only hope for the best."

 

[bluebomber22]

i might even be inclined to argue that original mega man was starting to think for himself too.

not only because he was charging to KILL wily, not disable him (Mega Man even uses the word KILL when talkin to Wily), in MM7 before Bass interrupted, but also because he VOLUNTEERED to be changed into a fighting robot to fight against wily.

He didn't just do what he was told or "programmed" to do, he could come up with ideas and concepts and make decisions about those ideas all on his own. Thats what made him unique. Thats why he could always defeat Wily's bots, he had better AI.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

i might even be inclined to argue that original mega man was starting to think for himself too.

not only because he was charging to KILL wily, not disable him (Mega Man even uses the word KILL when talkin to Wily), in MM7 before Bass interrupted, but also because he VOLUNTEERED to be changed into a fighting robot to fight against wily.

He didn't just do what he was told or "programmed" to do, he could come up with ideas and concepts and make decisions about those ideas all on his own. Thats what made him unique. Thats why he could always defeat Wily's bots, he had better AI.

So now instead of I. Robot, this is getting into Ghost in the Shell stuff...

 

[bluebomber22]

So now instead of I. Robot, this is getting into Ghost in the Shell stuff...

*Wikis Ghost in the Shell*.....

Oooooooh! now I see

yeah pretty much. Think about it. Mega Man wasn't some mindless robot. Look at how he interacts with rush. His concern for Roll, Dr. Light , etc... He ACTS like a human. If he was just a simple robot who had to be programmed for every function. He would have no purpose in petting Rush, smiling, being passive in fighting against Bass, etc.

 

[WarxePB]

As I recall, the Robot Master AI is artificial intelligence, meaning that Robot Masters can think for themselves. However, the AI is limited, either by hardware or limiters in the code itself (ie. the Three Laws or their equivalent). Thus, a Robot Master can make on-the-fly decisions for certain tasks, but these decisions have to be in line with any laws or directives in the code.

Mega Man is a bit different, though. He's been around for a long time, and has probably had quite a few upgrades (not to mention all the times he's been destroyed and rebuilt). We all know that patches don't always fix everything (they might even screw up other things), so it's possible that an upgrade to Mega Man's AI slightly corrupted his laws and directives code, giving him the option to kill Wily to end the threat.

 

[bluebomber22]

As I recall, the Robot Master AI is artificial intelligence, meaning that Robot Masters can think for themselves. However, the AI is limited, either by hardware or limiters in the code itself (ie. the Three Laws or their equivalent). Thus, a Robot Master can make on-the-fly decisions for certain tasks, but these decisions have to be in line with any laws or directives in the code.

Mega Man is a bit different, though. He's been around for a long time, and has probably had quite a few upgrades (not to mention all the times he's been destroyed and rebuilt). We all know that patches don't always fix everything (they might even screw up other things), so it's possible that an upgrade to Mega Man's AI slightly corrupted his laws and directives code, giving him the option to kill Wily to end the threat.

nicely put

 

[Pluvius]

Oh yeah, you weren't here for that check here

Er...I can't seem to find our discussion. Just read this then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quint_%28Mega_Man%29

I know who Quint is, but Quint doesn't prove anything about Rockman's fate. The Rockman world follows a set of rules governing time similar to those of DBZ. Wily's actions merely created an alternate timeline.

In the intro for Mega Man X, Dr. Light's message specifically states all three laws.
Mega Man was a robot all under Light's control; X has complete free will and abides by the three laws as he does so.

EDIT: RDK, you're actually wrong.

Robot Masters have free will, as is made clear by Quick Man's actions in Super Adventure Rockman, so why wouldn't Rockman's?

Ok, here is Dr. Light's complete warning message that came along with the capsule he was sealed in...

"X is the first of a new generation of robots which contain an innovative new feature - the ability to think, feel, and make their own decisions. However this ability could be very dangerous. If X were to break the first rule of robotoics "A robot must never harm a human being" the results would be disastrous and I fear that no force on Earth could stop him.

Approximately 30 years will be required before we can safely confirm his reliability. Unfortunately I will not live to see that day, nor do I have anyone to carry on my work. Therefore, I have decided to seal him in this capsule, which will test his internal systems until his reliability has been confirmed. Please do not disturb the capsule until that time.

X possesses great risks as well as great possibilities. I can only hope for the best."

Is that from a sourcebook, the English game, or the Japanese game? I would trust anything but the first & last. Let's remember that where Rockman said nothing, Mega Man said "I gonna do what I should have done years ago. Die Wily!"

 

[bluebomber22]

I know who Quint is, but Quint doesn't prove anything about Rockman's fate. The Rockman world follows a set of rules governing time similar to those of DBZ. Wily's actions merely created an alternate timeline.

Robot Masters have free will, as is made clear by Quick Man's actions in Super Adventure Rockman, so why wouldn't Rockman's?

Is that from a sourcebook, the English game, or the Japanese game? I would trust anything but the first & last. Let's remember that where Rockman said nothing, Mega Man said "I gonna do what I should have done years ago. Die Wily!"

QFT pluvious

 

[Pluvius]

I just had a friend of mine check his Rockman X Compendium & a ROM of Rockman X, & neither say either Rockman or Rockman X must follow the 3 laws of robotics. They merely state that Rockman X was built with the spirit of them, but not that he explicitly follows them.

 

[bluebomber22]

I just had a friend of mine check his Rockman X Compendium & a ROM of Rockman X, & neither say either Rockman or Rockman X must follow the 3 laws of robotics. They merely state that Rockman X was built with the spirit of them, but not that he explicitly follows them.

yeah, we know X can violate any of the 3 laws of robotics.....i was just commenting on how i thought the original mega man could too

 

[Tony_]

Speaking of X, I was wondering if you all thought he had higher chances because of Grey Fox being an AT. It seems plausible IMO.

 

[bluebomber22]

Speaking of X, I was wondering if you all thought he had higher chances because of Grey Fox being an AT. It seems plausible IMO.

i agree. X could show up as an AT.....

 

[Pluvius]

Higher chances of what? Being an AT?

 

[Ninjuku]

No, no, no, no...no...
Rock will not be an AT...
Why throw in a major franchise, just to make ot a side-note feature???
Rock has high chances of being in as a PC...
Why demote your hopes to AT???
And I can see the point made about Rock's AI...
Maybe Light upgraded his AI to the point of it being X's prototype AI...

 

[error_alt_delete]

i agree. X could show up as an AT.....

think about it this way,
X=stronger version of megaman classic if he is made a assist trophy, you wont get megaman classic as playable. they are almost the same except in sill and size, if an assist trophy was made, it wouldnt be another form of megaman. I dont see what makes you think that is even possible.

 

[AuraLancer]

Well guys it seems our character update for the week was not Mega Man.

Ness was my favorite video game character for several years after Earthbound came out
I will miss him...

 

[tirkaro]

speaking of AT's, it would actually be cool if they had the biometals from rockman ZX as items. It would turn your character into a megamerged version of themselves. ZX pikachu FTW!

No, no, no, no...no...
Rock will not be an AT...
Why throw in a major franchise, just to make ot a side-note feature???
Rock has high chances of being in as a PC...
Why demote your hopes to AT???

he was talking about X, not megaman.

 

[Storm Eagle]

I just got another idea for Rock's Final Smash:

All the robot Masters from Mega Man 1 appear (remember: They were built by Dr. Light) and wreak havoc on the opponents. Guts Man could throw a rock, Elec Man shoots thunderbolts, ...etc.

Yes, I am crazy.

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Rockman.exe is bigger fail than the sandman and lord hokage COMBINED...

there I said it...

Gutsman: Protoman, what does the scouter say about EXE's failure level?

Protoman (taking off shades and breaking them): It's over NINE THOOOOUUUSSSAAANDDD!!

[/end stupidity]

so what have i missed in 10+ (i think it's 12 pages) pages of Megaman support?

 

[error_alt_delete]

Gutsman: Protoman, what does the scouter say about EXE's failure level?

Protoman (taking off shades and breaking them): It's over NINE THOOOOUUUSSSAAANDDD!!

[/end stupidity]

so what have i missed in 10+ (i think it's 12 pages) pages of Megaman support?

arguments over wether X can be an assist trophy if classic was made playable.though I think it wouldnt work, why put the stronger of the two in as a assist trophy? I dont care if classic is the original, X shouldnt be in at all if he would be put in as a assist trophy. that just doesnt make sense to put in X like that, it just doesnt. we also argued about the 3 laws (you know them from I robot but I robot stole it from megaman).

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Has this been posted before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpRTGtAmno

if not why?. A prelude of things to come in the future perhaps, especially if X makes it into Brawl.

you think that's good,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTVpBXK7OU

i jumped outta my seat when the MMX highway beat kicked in

 

[Legolastom]

think about it this way,
X=stronger version of megaman classic if he is made a assist trophy, you wont get megaman classic as playable. they are almost the same except in sill and size, if an assist trophy was made, it wouldnt be another form of megaman. I dont see what makes you think that is even possible.

What does his strength have anything to do with it? Seriously stop getting so worked up about X... you cant really deny that Classic has a better chance than X but I am not against X... just that Classic would be a much better choice.

Also they are not the same height... and why wouldn't it be possible? the only thing X does as an AT is improve classics chance.

 

[bksbestbwoy]

and thus the wars continued... (classic vs. x) hey maybe we should have a RMB war over the two, lol.. on a sidenote, someone earlier posted a grand list of playables and ATs and i thought that list was perfect, but alas my memory fails me, but at least they put Zero and the good ZX characters in good mention

@Tirkaro - two things, one, that (ZX pikachu) would just be digimon season 4. The second is that biometals would be a hot way to have ATs of everyone we care for from X/Zero series... think about it

you get the biometal, but instead of merging with it, it pulls a transformers and reshapes into the person it represents in the form best recognized by them [i.e. X and Axl would have their MMX look, Zero & Guardians their MMZ] and they would dish out the damage.... It'd be mixing all the megaman elements from X/Zero/ZX into a set of items and if classic is picked, we have reps for most of the stories

Also (pardon my rambling) what if it were lotto type, then we could probably get one more rep from the remaining series (ie Classic & legends) just stick to someone small (Rush or other helper types & Servbots) and you have a full house of important Megaman figures.

As im writing this, the only problems that come to mind would be if it's a lotto type AT (like you grab it and a random biometal appears), or each have their own AT (seperate).

Confused? i'll clarify if necessary.

 

[Xerroo]

Seeing as we haven't had a character update in quite a while and there is one more spot left in the Newcomer area. I can almost say with 100% confidence that Mega Man will be the next newcomer.

I could be wrong and all but it feels like that.

 

[tirkaro]

Seeing as we haven't had a character update in quite a while and there is one more spot left in the Newcomer area. I can almost say with 100% confidence that Mega Man will be the next newcomer.

I could be wrong and all but it feels like that.

but the newcomer area has been expanded a lot of times before. there's still plently of room left for newcomers.

however, I AM certain we'll get megaman next. This month has been too lame for us not to get an OMFG megaton(C WUT I DID THAR?) update soon.

 

[Storm Eagle]

Lame? Well, I don't think so but of course, he COULD be revealed tomorrow, because we have to get a new brawler every 2 weeks. It's the last chance.

 

[Aqua Rock X]

I don't know, I have this strange feeling Krystal will be the next newcomer revealed. I think Megaman is more like a grand revelation that would be saved for a big event, look at Snake and Sonic.

Speaking of Snake and Sonic, they have their own character specific trailers! Assuming all third party characters get the same treatment, I can't wait to see Megaman beat up Mario like they did (provided he's in of course).

 

[error_alt_delete]

What does his strength have anything to do with it? Seriously stop getting so worked up about X... you cant really deny that Classic has a better chance than X but I am not against X... just that Classic would be a much better choice.

Also they are not the same height... and why wouldn't it be possible? the only thing X does as an AT is improve classics chance.

1.I said they are the same EXCEPT skill and size.
2.yes I know that classic has better chances(I never said he didnt)
3. an assist trophy of X would seem out of place, esspecialy when we have classic playable.
4.just because it would improve classics chances does not make him a "good" assist trophy option, it wouldnt make sense...(hard to explain why).

either X is in brawl as a playable character, or not at all. I would rather not see him as a assist trophy, it just doesnt seem to fit the situation.

 

[Ninjuku]

speaking of AT's, it would actually be cool if they had the biometals from rockman ZX as items. It would turn your character into a megamerged version of themselves. ZX pikachu FTW!


he was talking about X, not megaman.

I meant Rocks in general:::
rockman; X; ZX; Trigger...
either have rockman -insert title here- as a PC or not at all...

 

[Ninjuku]

Well guys it seems our character update for the week was not Mega Man.

Ness was my favorite video game character for several years after Earthbound came out
I will miss him...

what???
that was his moves...
not a new char...

 

[Xerroo]

If we get AT's it will be AT's from the series they use.

Classic: Protoman, Bigeye, Sniper Joe, etc.

X: Zero, Axl, Vile, etc.

Zero: Harpuria, Fefnir, Levithan, Phantom

ZX: Prometheous, Pandora etc...

 

[error_alt_delete]

If we get AT's it will be AT's from the series they use.

Classic: Protoman, Bigeye, Sniper Joe, etc.

X: Zero, Axl, Vile, etc.

Zero: Harpuria, Fefnir, Levithan, Phantom

ZX: Prometheous, Pandora etc...

thats what I was thinking of thank you!
ya, the best assist trophy woul be protoman for classic, and zero for X...

 

[Ninjuku]

If we get AT's it will be AT's from the series they use.

Classic: Protoman, Bigeye, Sniper Joe, etc.

X: Zero, Axl, Vile, etc.

Zero: Harpuria, Fefnir, Levithan, Phantom

ZX: Prometheous, Pandora etc...

classic: Blues...Rush...Forte/Gospel...
X: Zero...Axl...Sigma...Vile...
Zero: Harpuia...Fefnir...Leviathan...Phantom...Copy X...
ZX: Models ZX...H...F...L...P...O...A...Pandora...Prometheus...
.exe: Hahahahahahahahaa...
sorry...I tried there...

 

[bksbestbwoy]

classic: Blues...Rush...Forte/Gospel...
X: Zero...Axl...Sigma...Vile...
Zero: Harpuia...Fefnir...Leviathan...Phantom...Copy X...
ZX: Models ZX...H...F...L...P...O...A...Pandora...Prometheus...
.exe: Hahahahahahahahaa...
sorry...I tried there...

pure win. and copy X??? i wish if we could just get real X in that series sometimes (instead of bootleg navi the fairy) maybe that's what they should do if zero's in, lol

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Rush should be in Megaman's moveset more than an AT, at least that's why I think....(opinion)

 

[Pluvius]

Rush could run along with Rockman like in MvC & MvC2.