Q&A The official "Ask Your Questions" thread

[Strong Badam]

They're all even or close enough to where fretting over the advantage is silly and I'd rather focus on winning.

 

[MEXICAN]

My opinion.

Dk/luigi is 60/40
Dk/mario is 55/45
Dk/Dr mario is 45/55

 

[Max?]

Let's go Phish, looking forward to playing you again

 

[phish-it]

You going to SwagIII?

 

[Max?]

Nah son, I have work all day. No idea when I'll be able to go to a tournament again...

 

[bubbaking]

I feel like Doc should be hardest of the 3 just cuz he can zone pretty well if he needs to.

 

[Strong Badam]

Note to self to test next time I play:
Ledgestand -> Shield -> Up-B OoS while edgeguarding.

 

[MEXICAN]

Smashed a lot today when Drunk Parakeet (DP) and Catnip came over. I played a lot of matches with DP's falco. I forgot how good I was at this game. haha. I wish I had recorded the matches, they were really good. I forgot how fun smash was too. I hadn't played since Genesis 2.

 

[Strong Badam]

Melee is a great game.

 

[bubbaking]

Note to self to test next time I play:
Ledgestand -> Shield -> Up-B OoS while edgeguarding.

Would that be a light shield?

 

[Strong Badam]

n o

 

[bubbaking]

What the.....how'd you make a two letter post? (O_O)

 

[MEXICAN]

What the.....how'd you make a two letter post? (O_O)

One of the perks of being a moderator?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

he's not even a mod anymore lol

you guys are bad at smashboards.

maybe if you quoted his post you'd find THE SECRET

 

[bubbaking]

n o

I s ee.

 

[Max?]

n o

 

[Strong Badam]

n o

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

нет

 

[bubbaking]

? ?

 

[KingofCereal]

Is there a quick or otherwise way to train yourself to be faster? Or DI better? Or avoid hits better? Say you're playing fox... how do you work him so you can get your grabs and combos going? He's just so fast

 

[Strong Badam]

Most of that stuff is just experience, and people learn at different paces. You can kinda practice not getting hit by fighting various levels of CPUs and dash dancing within their range and dashing away via reaction but the best thing to do is just play a lot. Getting grabs sometimes requires reads so you have to learn how to study your opponent's habits really quickly with DK.

 

[bubbaking]

As for just playing faster and avoiding hits better, I found that playing as Fox for a while really helped me to learn how to think on my feet and make quick decisions more easily. Of course, it helped my tech skill, but it also forced me to make choices quickly as to how I would tech when I got hit and such. It also upped my reaction speed. My dash dancing got better and I 'reacted to hits' much better, so I missed much less techs.

 

[Green Ranger]

What are DK's options from the ledge?

People catch on to the get up attack pretty easily, ledgehop nair and ledgehop fair are easy to react to, and I feel like his ledgehop waveland is really slow for some reason (maybe I'm doing it wrong).

Insights?

 

[bubbaking]

Below 100%, get-up attack *****. Even if people "catch on" to it, it's kinda hard to stop if they're not already in the right position to guard against it. Ledgehop fair is easily reacted to, and I feel like ledgehop nair doesn't have enough range to help that much. Wavelanding should be fine. I think all wavelands have 10 frames of lag, so it shouldn't be 'slow' so to speak. Waveland>grab could be pretty cool. Ledgehop uair comes out fast and punishes your opponent for being too close to the ledge. Ledgehop upB is fairly safe, has decent knockback, comes out quickly, and has very little lag. I don't know how good ledgehop dair is, but it seems like it could lead into some pretty sweet combos if it connected. Don't forget that you also have ledgejumping, which is pretty solid for DK, imo. Oh, and let's not forget ledgehop Giant Punch. I've never used it, but in my mind, it seems like a nice, fast, punishing get-up that could reap a big immediate reward for not too much risk.

 

[Soft Serve]

So I've been watching vids of DK mains for a while now, studying and generally just lurking around trying to get better.

I feel like watching others and how they react to certain situations really diversifies my game, and whenever I see something I didn't expect I know I have more to learn.

So, I was studying up on the arts of Nedech, particularly the first match in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoBuy8elzfs&feature=relmfu
and was wondering specifically if the cargo-up Throw > Fair on sheik is PAL specific ( about 1:00 and 1:40). It looked like the fair came out much much faster and that the Up-throw had much less knockback growth. Is this do-able in NTSC?

 

[phish-it]

DK is the same in both PAL and NTSC, so yes it's doable. That combo works on most characters at certain percent sans a few super floaties like Samus, Luigi and Jigglypuff.

When the Sheik downthrew the first time it made me happy.

 

[MEXICAN]

DK doesn't lose his charge when he gets hit out of his up b in pal. And I'm almost positive that cargo u throw to f air isn't guaranteed. I'm pretty sure they can just n air you out of it. Somebody who's not lazy like me should thoroughly test that. lol

 

[Strong Badam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBvTVPZbd8
this is the single greatest video ever made

MEXICAN: They can't nair out. And Cargo U-Throw -> Fair is not PAL specific; no falling speeds are changed between the versions so the combo functions exactly the same in both. Might kill Marth earlier in PAL though.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

if you like that, maybe you should pick up ssb64

 

[Soft Serve]

And Cargo U-Throw -> Fair is not...on Marth, wasn't sure which other characters.

 

[Strong Badam]

Marth, Sheik, Ganondorf, DK, Bowser, Roy, Link at slightly different percentages. Probably a couple more too. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox/Falco/Falcon eventually fell victim to it, but they die to other combos earlier.

 

[bubbaking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBvTVPZbd8
this is the single greatest video ever made

The comments on that vid were kinda confusing cuz they mentioned an AR code. Does DK taunt cancelling actually exist in Melee, or was that a cheat of some kind?

Marth, Sheik, Ganondorf, DK, Bowser, Roy, Link at slightly different percentages. Probably a couple more too. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox/Falco/Falcon eventually fell victim to it, but they die to other combos earlier.

Link but not YL? I always felt like YL fell faster than Link...

 

[Strong Badam]

It's an Action Replay code. lmao is that a serious question.

YL as well, my bad. But YL doesn't fall faster than Link

 

[bubbaking]

Same speed, perhaps?

 

[Strong Badam]

ye s

 

[bubbaking]

Serious Q: Is ledgehop > Giant Punch (after it's been fully charged) a good getup option?

 

[Strong Badam]

not really. it can work... but not very often lol. i more often use ledgehop reverse giant punch as an edgeguarding option than using that as a recovery option.

 

[bubbaking]

I see... Then other than ledgehp>WL, ledgehop>upB, below 100% get-up attack, and ledgejump, what other good get-up options does DK have?

 

[Strong Badam]

Wavelanding should be fine. I think all wavelands have 10 frames of lag, so it shouldn't be 'slow' so to speak. Waveland>grab could be pretty cool.

DK's double jump rises slower than some characters. sheik/falco/fox all have really fast, high DJs that allow them to clear the ledge quickly so they can waveland. DK has to wait a bit longer, so his waveland is less useful, and, yes slower than most.

i usually find myself ledge jumping when i need to get back onstage. ledgehop nair can work, so can ledgehop upb. just don't be predictable lol

 

[bubbaking]

I see. Ledgehop rotate your body.