SSBPete
Smash Lord
lets start our own room
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The New Tier List
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The Star King
Smash Hero
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Now THAT would be hypocrisy 
Pssssssh yo I answered all of the new questions in the ADDENDUM did you guys read that oh you did and it was still a piss poor effort well SORRY I guess next time I'm doing an app in the business center of a holiday inn with old dudes lookin like they're gonna molest me if I use their computer for frivolous pursuits anymore it'll have more POLISH
I mad
I mad
Dont care so much Bcow, i think the backroom is pretty much useless anyway. For me would be more useful to use the backroom as a tool to make more people play this game, to make it more popular, instead of only focussing on the competitive/technical department, where we know so much already.
DMoogle
A$
Everyone can help to make it more popular. The Backroom focuses on the competitive/technical department to filter out noise. There would be zero reason for the exclusivity based on experience, knowledge, and playing ability, if the backroom just worked on how to make the game more popular.
Thats why i said the backroom is not useful. I think we need to work moreon preventing this game from dying (and increasing the popularity), rather than more competitive/technical imput, in which we have a lot of stuff already. Another kind of backroom for this could be done. It is obvious that the scene in 2011 is tiny and poor compared to the good old days.
But you like the scenario of "the backroom elite makes the rules, everyone else does the hard job of bringing people into this game" ??? this is dumb
DMoogle
A$
Why does creating strategies to increase the popularity of the game need a backroom at all? To filter out the people who know nothing about marketing and promotion? How would we determine that?
You're putting words into my mouth. I never said I like the idea of a backroom at all. I've been mostly against it from the start.
Again, you're putting words into my mouth. When did I say everyone else? I said "everyone." That is, those who have BR access and those that do not.
Why is it dumb?
EDIT: To re-emphasize, the point of the backroom, IMO, is to filter out the noise from the less-knowledgeable. I personally don't think the Smash 64 forums have enough noise to warrant a backroom, but that's just me (it seems much more suited for Melee and especially Brawl). It sounds like what you're looking for is some kind of marketing committee. It's a good idea, but there's no reason for it to be in a backroom.
Konata Star
Smash Rookie
Seems perfect, I agree with that list.
Its not bad but I wouldnt say perfect. We're working on a new one now, and it going to be some changes.
zeldasmash
Smash Lord
No offense to the backroom but.......very well said.
The Xtreem Steem Rolla
Smash Rookie
i agree that its not perfect, i feel that pikachu should b in his own tier, fox is really good, but pikachu is WAY better.
Kirby is GOD
Smash Rookie
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This game needs a 3rd tier list.
Flutter NiTE
Smash Lord
I wanna see Jiggly higher personally
Kirby is GOD
Smash Rookie
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I want to play the original Smash Bros.
I suggest you do it.
Shibbypod
BIM
I find this list to be pretty accurate, but the newbies in my region strongly disagree with Link and Luigi's placement. I am just getting them all to Z cancel and combo more fluidly, and it is a long road of improvement ahead, but things are looking good. I told them that even if they don't believe in tier lists, to be aware of where their characters are on the list and what their matchups look like. We have a weak smash scene here in UP Michigan, but let me tell you we are still alive.
Shibbypod
BIM
haha the problem is that my own metagame is far above theirs, but still far below what a lot of you guys are capable of, so my link (which is my 2nd) is about as good as my pika. Simply because he is played far more often than pikachu, however I can just pick up pika and win pretty much any match without having played with him in weeks. I am a Kirby main, and usually can barely get touched in matches against them. I think they do get the idea though. When they ask me who to main, I said well, look at the tier list, accept it as the truth, and then choose a character wisely. If you disregard the tier list and pick samus as your main, then more power to you! However, don't expect to win much especially while just learning the metagame and getting everything under your fingers. Especially not against me
I'd really like to start playing online.... It isn't an option for me yet. Maybe I'll eventually get my recording software up and running and be able to get some feedback on my play.
DMoogle
A$
The tier list was created to represent how "good" characters are a specific level of play. As the level of play deviates from that of which the list was based on, the list becomes less and less accurate.
Shibbypod
BIM
Thanks DMoogle, for pointing out the obvious XD
I've been around the smash community for a very long time, so I familiar with the way the tier list works. As for my game, it is not godly or anything but I read everything on these boards and try to work everything into my game, as many or most of you do too. Trust me I have mad respect for all the work the br put into the list.
I've been around the smash community for a very long time, so I familiar with the way the tier list works. As for my game, it is not godly or anything but I read everything on these boards and try to work everything into my game, as many or most of you do too. Trust me I have mad respect for all the work the br put into the list.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
At low levels Link is rather good because he has projectiles and spin attack, as well as strong forward and back smashes. People think ranged grabs are broken at lower levels too, especially if they stand there shielding to stop projectiles.
I'm sure the reasoning for Luigi is 'zomg look at his Up-B it's tremendously powerful, I bet pros can land that move all the time so Luigi must be god tier right?'...and Jiggs is ignored because they either don't know about Rest or think she is too easily killed due to her weight.
Let them think what they want to think, when (if) they get a fair bit better it'll dawn on them that what they previously thought might not be correct.
Also, this isn't a backroom produced list lol...
I'm sure the reasoning for Luigi is 'zomg look at his Up-B it's tremendously powerful, I bet pros can land that move all the time so Luigi must be god tier right?'...and Jiggs is ignored because they either don't know about Rest or think she is too easily killed due to her weight.
Let them think what they want to think, when (if) they get a fair bit better it'll dawn on them that what they previously thought might not be correct.
Also, this isn't a backroom produced list lol...
Shibbypod
BIM
Got ya, asianaussie. I must have been confused.
Yeah I definitely do like Links projectile spam, but that grab is a deal breaker, if the up-b recovery wasn't already one.
In any given night I'll try to play every character at least once. When you really enjoy the game, you realize that playing with every character can be pretty rewarding.
Yeah I definitely do like Links projectile spam, but that grab is a deal breaker, if the up-b recovery wasn't already one.
In any given night I'll try to play every character at least once. When you really enjoy the game, you realize that playing with every character can be pretty rewarding.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Meh, i still hate samus lol
Samus > Fox
t3h Icy
Smash Master
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So instead of pew pew, you PEW PEW?
Shibbypod
BIM
I enjoy playing as everyone. Part of me is still anti-tier, although it is hard to deny how dominant pikachu is...
asianaussie
Smash Hero
i think this is the first time I've ever quoted a FAQ from the index lol
Sangoku
Smash Master
Lol you should just remove the index and answer specifically each time someone asks. You can make them think you're that fountain of knowledge everybody knows you are
not.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
yeah but when i do that im usually wrong and get corrected rather snidely lol
You should give them the kirby. They will hate you.haha the problem is that my own metagame is far above theirs, but still far below what a lot of you guys are capable of, so my link (which is my 2nd) is about as good as my pika. Simply because he is played far more often than pikachu, however I can just pick up pika and win pretty much any match without having played with him in weeks. I am a Kirby main, and usually can barely get touched in matches against them. I think they do get the idea though. When they ask me who to main, I said well, look at the tier list, accept it as the truth, and then choose a character wisely. If you disregard the tier list and pick samus as your main, then more power to you! However, don't expect to win much especially while just learning the metagame and getting everything under your fingers. Especially not against me
I'd really like to start playing online.... It isn't an option for me yet. Maybe I'll eventually get my recording software up and running and be able to get some feedback on my play.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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But you can just copypasta from the FAQ without quoting it and fool all the newcomers
mario has a much better approach due to a lower short hop and quicker aerials. U-smash kills just as quick as Luigi'sup b with less effort. Mario's u-air is very easy to combo with. Mario has one of the best gimping games in smash 64 due to easy grab setups. Fireball is much better for Mario than Luigi due to its better trajectory. Mario has more priority with virtually all of his moves (outside of Up B and Down b for guessable reasons.)
It is also much easier to Smash DI Luigi's d-air compared to Mario so one of Luigi's main kill setups doesn't work nearly as well.
Mario also happens to be one of the few characters to have pretty even matchups with Pikachu, Fox, and Falcon (and in my opinion) possibly the only winning matchup vs Kirby outside of Pikachu (and possibly Fox on Hyrule.)
Basically:
Recovery: Luigi can go higher but Mario has more priority. Either way.
Priority: Mario by far as said
Approach: Mario>Luigi due to Luigi's floaty short hops and Priority.
Kills: Luigi kills quicker but has issues setting up due to Smash DI. Mario has much less of an issue due to a better d-air and a ridiculous u-smash. Mario's d-air is much harder to DI. Mario>Luigi here.
Gimp ability: Mario (probably the best gimper outside of Pikachu and Kirby.) Mario>Luigi here as well.
^ I disagree with large bits of that. Their Usmashes have identical KB AFAIK, although Mario's is easier to set up. Weegee's Up-B kills a fair bit quicker than Luigi/Mario's Usmash in most situations. Mario's recovery is a LOT better than weegee's- weegee's range does not make up for his relative gimpability, whereas Mario has great range as well and is really hard to gimp (2nd best in the game by most accounts). I don't think Mario's aerials are quicker, and IDK what you mean by "Priority" in this context, but most of their A-moves' hitboxes are nearly identical.
Mario's far better because his recovery pwns luigi's, he has better, safer combos, fantastic gimps, better air speed, a lower short hop, etc.
Just play good marios and you'll realize how good he is compared to weegee.
Mario's far better because his recovery pwns luigi's, he has better, safer combos, fantastic gimps, better air speed, a lower short hop, etc.
Just play good marios and you'll realize how good he is compared to weegee.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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Can't tell if Koro is trolling >_>
