Raiken
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6 o clock today huh.. i'll try to make it 
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The new lubbock thread!
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felix45
Smash Lord
GGs tonight everyone I had fun!
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
Hey panhandel people you guy should come down to the reject wasteland corner of Texas for TMS. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199961
It's going to be a 3 day event with melee and crew battles included. Some guy even wants to do a 64 tournament winner take all if your into that. People from central texas and OOS have a chance at an extra 100$ if you win so thats free gas and a pure profit pot.
It's going to be a 3 day event with melee and crew battles included. Some guy even wants to do a 64 tournament winner take all if your into that. People from central texas and OOS have a chance at an extra 100$ if you win so thats free gas and a pure profit pot.
KingofTheSouth33
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i Meteor smash my teammates... what now..
Vitamin X
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But look on the bright side. That was probably the coolest kill of the night. Poor Felix.
(For those of you who weren't there, we we playing teams. Felix was off the stage and both Tyson and I tried to edgeguard him. It ended up with Tyson spiking me into Felix, which spiked Felix in turn. We both died.)
(For those of you who weren't there, we we playing teams. Felix was off the stage and both Tyson and I tried to edgeguard him. It ended up with Tyson spiking me into Felix, which spiked Felix in turn. We both died.)
felix45
Smash Lord
that was the most ridiculous kill ever. too bad we couldn't save it
KingofTheSouth33
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we could have.... just didnt save it... you can save replays.... =(
felix45
Smash Lord
the match was too long I thought
Raiken
Smash Cadet
I thought it was too long too, otherwise i would of said to save it D:
But yeah, that kill was crazy lol
But yeah, that kill was crazy lol
KingofTheSouth33
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oh wasnt sure about the time limit
KingofTheSouth33
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yeah... i think you did... and that would be me. iv always thought that... since melee.....so much i prided myself in not using it.. people that arent even that good can spam it and compete.....and yeah it gives a competitive advantage.... but none the less i view it as lame..( dont think im talking crap about yall... im not at all, im just saying my view on the Cstick) and brawl is on the Wii.... so why not use the Wii control... its what it was made for
KingofTheSouth33
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i know all of you are going to think im being stupid and dont know what im talking about
( for one reason you all use it)... all im saying is Cstick is lame.... play any wolf user and you will see that REAL fast... adam knows what im talking about... that 1 kid... and when i used wolf that one time i spammed it and beat his very good fox. so yeah i do think its lame/cheap
( for one reason you all use it)... all im saying is Cstick is lame.... play any wolf user and you will see that REAL fast... adam knows what im talking about... that 1 kid... and when i used wolf that one time i spammed it and beat his very good fox. so yeah i do think its lame/cheap
I hear this so much... People saying that something is lame/cheap just because in their mind it has low risk and high reward.
The reality is this:
1) You can use the c-stick too. If you are a better player and you are using c-stick, then that should even out the odds.
2) Even if the c-stick IS that easy to win with, why wouldn't you try to use that for your advantage?
3) If you are losing to someone who is using c-stick to spam ground smashes, you aren't punishing the spammer very effectively. If the spammer is so easy to predict, then why is he so cheap by using the c-stick?
But usually the argument is that it's "too easy" to win with the c-stick so the "honorable" players will decide not to use it!
The truth is the c-stick is a useful tool, and if you aren't willing to use it, then you're not going to be able to play at the best of your potential. What do you think?
EDIT: Actually, I think this article will describe nicely what I'm talking about.
http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/
This paragraph is pretty much what I'm saying:
Quote:
"His problem? He does not play to win.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant."
EDIT 2: Also, King, I'm not calling you a scrub, I've never even played you. I am saying however, that calling the c-stick lame/cheap/makes it too easy to win is a false statement. I bet I could beat plenty of people without the c-stick at all.
Hell, come to think of it, Snake players only REALLY need the c-stick to do their u-smash. Otherwise Snake is using his ****ing godly tilts...
The reality is this:
1) You can use the c-stick too. If you are a better player and you are using c-stick, then that should even out the odds.
2) Even if the c-stick IS that easy to win with, why wouldn't you try to use that for your advantage?
3) If you are losing to someone who is using c-stick to spam ground smashes, you aren't punishing the spammer very effectively. If the spammer is so easy to predict, then why is he so cheap by using the c-stick?
But usually the argument is that it's "too easy" to win with the c-stick so the "honorable" players will decide not to use it!
The truth is the c-stick is a useful tool, and if you aren't willing to use it, then you're not going to be able to play at the best of your potential. What do you think?
EDIT: Actually, I think this article will describe nicely what I'm talking about.
http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/
This paragraph is pretty much what I'm saying:
Quote:
"His problem? He does not play to win.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant."
EDIT 2: Also, King, I'm not calling you a scrub, I've never even played you. I am saying however, that calling the c-stick lame/cheap/makes it too easy to win is a false statement. I bet I could beat plenty of people without the c-stick at all.
Hell, come to think of it, Snake players only REALLY need the c-stick to do their u-smash. Otherwise Snake is using his ****ing godly tilts...
felix45
Smash Lord
yea this friday is the 24th so you shouldn't have problems with halloween lol
man I have tests all week, I have one tomorrow, one wednesday, and one friday T_T
this week sucks!
man I have tests all week, I have one tomorrow, one wednesday, and one friday T_T
this week sucks!
KingofTheSouth33
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Jra... i never said the Cstick made it too easy to win.. and i did say yes.... the cstick does give a competitive advantage... i know all of that.... and yeah i know it makes you " better" cause its faster and all that but i grew up playing with people that wont even play the game with people that cstick... and the thing about snake.... that really does not matter.... cause Cstick is only useful for some characters... take my Ness for example ..... the bat is too slow either way.. the yo-yo has no KO ability inless your like at 140% or so.. so even if i did want to use it a ton. it would not benefit my guy hardly. and im sure you could beat people without the cstick alot of people can..and the whole punish your opponent for spamming.. well im pretty sure you are familiar with Adam.. hes a good player... he couldnt do anything about it either when he played spamming wolf. all in all yeah.... it gives the player a speed advantage and all that and i never said it made things to easy... i just personally think its lame... i mean hell the game is on the wii. use the wii controls like it was designed for. in the end a wiimote user with nunchuck cant fully compete with a cstick cuz of the speed advantages.
Raiken
Smash Cadet
Just because the wiimote is the main controller for the wii, doesn't mean anything.
There's gamecube controller slots on it for starters <_<
There's gamecube controller slots on it for starters <_<
KingofTheSouth33
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well all i know is this argument is worthless
A. Every single person on here uses the cstick and Cube Controller.
B. I was not trying to convert anyone just saying my thoughts on it.
A. Every single person on here uses the cstick and Cube Controller.
B. I was not trying to convert anyone just saying my thoughts on it.
felix45
Smash Lord
I didn't have problems with that same wolf guy. my DK beasted his ***, showed that furry his place!
I dont see what is wrong with the wolf guy using cstick. he didn't win because of the cstick, he won because he used his smashes a lot and you weren't able to punish it. it wouldn't be different if he was using over +a in any way other than his smashes would have come out a bit slower than if he used cstick. I wouldn't doubt that guy could of done his smash attacks without it, all of those guys who came in said they played since 64, and anyone who played the first game and knew how to do smash attacks in it they can do it in any of the ssb games.
I dont understand how using cstick is cheap. anytime I want to charge a smash I use over and A, and anytime I want a smash to come out instantly I use cstick. anytime I want to do a retreating aerial I use cstick. you really cant do retreating aerials without cstick. there are a lot of things I use cstick for that I couldn't do if I didn't use it. most of it deals with where I want to move in the air. if I used control stick +a for aerials my aerial movement would be restricted as I stop going the way I want to go to use the aerial I want to use.
completley unrelated but very funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7D8aDp3RUs
XD
I dont see what is wrong with the wolf guy using cstick. he didn't win because of the cstick, he won because he used his smashes a lot and you weren't able to punish it. it wouldn't be different if he was using over +a in any way other than his smashes would have come out a bit slower than if he used cstick. I wouldn't doubt that guy could of done his smash attacks without it, all of those guys who came in said they played since 64, and anyone who played the first game and knew how to do smash attacks in it they can do it in any of the ssb games.
I dont understand how using cstick is cheap. anytime I want to charge a smash I use over and A, and anytime I want a smash to come out instantly I use cstick. anytime I want to do a retreating aerial I use cstick. you really cant do retreating aerials without cstick. there are a lot of things I use cstick for that I couldn't do if I didn't use it. most of it deals with where I want to move in the air. if I used control stick +a for aerials my aerial movement would be restricted as I stop going the way I want to go to use the aerial I want to use.
completley unrelated but very funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7D8aDp3RUs
XD
KingofTheSouth33
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like i said this argument is pointless. im not going to even try, im not the only one that thinks this.. and yeah exactly you would be restricted if you did not have it.. it restricts you greatly or benefits you greatly however you look at it. and yeah i know people can do fine without the cstick... but its just a lame enhancement to there quote " skill" if thats what you want to call it
Vitamin X
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Didn't want to bring up that match with the wolf guy b/c it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but...
1.) I kept waiting for him to smash wildly so I could punish it, and he only seemed to smash when I wasn't expecting it. Whether that was luck or prediction, I don't know.
2.) I wasn't using Lucario.
3.) If I faced him again, I'm sure I'd win. (I'd use Lucario, for one.)
But anyway, it seems I miraculously became [somewhat] able to play Melee again. As in, my game wasn't completely wrecked by control issues last night. Woot for a step in the right direction.
1.) I kept waiting for him to smash wildly so I could punish it, and he only seemed to smash when I wasn't expecting it. Whether that was luck or prediction, I don't know.
2.) I wasn't using Lucario.
3.) If I faced him again, I'm sure I'd win. (I'd use Lucario, for one.)
But anyway, it seems I miraculously became [somewhat] able to play Melee again. As in, my game wasn't completely wrecked by control issues last night. Woot for a step in the right direction.
Even though I haven't slept in 2 days I will put my two cents in =D.
I'm sure you AREN'T the only one that thinks the c-stick is cheap. But to amateurs, anything is a prime candidate for being cheap. Characters, Moves, being too aggressive, being too defensive, etc.
Bah, I am being too unbiased because I just got done watching some **** about Socrates...
Listen, the truth is:
You don't want to use the c-stick because it gives "too much" of an advantage. It's "too easy" to use. Or to quote you directly:
King, if you are just playing to mess around and have fun, that's okay =). I would highly suggest trying your very best to eke out every advantage you can find, though, as the game has much more depth that way. Just look at how much more you know than your button mashing friends =).
But, if you ARE playing to win in your mind, by not using the c-stick you are clearly leaving out some advantages either because you are resistant to changing your controls, or you believe that using the c-stick is just a "lame enhancement" and makes the game less skilled in your own opinion.
What do you think King? Do you think you are playing to win?
Are you implying your argument is pointless because you don't believe you can convince any of us? Because the majority of us use the c-stick and we are just going to cling to our beliefs? Are we really that closed-minded?
I'm sure you AREN'T the only one that thinks the c-stick is cheap. But to amateurs, anything is a prime candidate for being cheap. Characters, Moves, being too aggressive, being too defensive, etc.
Bah, I am being too unbiased because I just got done watching some **** about Socrates...
Listen, the truth is:
You don't want to use the c-stick because it gives "too much" of an advantage. It's "too easy" to use. Or to quote you directly:
You aren't playing to win, at least in my opinion. You are playing to win with your own definition of "skill" in which you handicap yourself from using the c-stick.
King, if you are just playing to mess around and have fun, that's okay =). I would highly suggest trying your very best to eke out every advantage you can find, though, as the game has much more depth that way. Just look at how much more you know than your button mashing friends =).
But, if you ARE playing to win in your mind, by not using the c-stick you are clearly leaving out some advantages either because you are resistant to changing your controls, or you believe that using the c-stick is just a "lame enhancement" and makes the game less skilled in your own opinion.
What do you think King? Do you think you are playing to win?
I use Cstick... And then I don't use it, I do the same crap all of the time with whatever buttons my fingers go to. It was the same on Melee... You have slightly more control in the air if you are used to it, and if you are fast enough if doesn't make THAT much of a difference really. But you can't charge smashes unless you move the Cstick and hold A real quick... I could always go through a match with just Cstick or not use it at all and it not have any real detrimental effect on my game, it was always about the same I think.
But of course, I am not a godlike smasher like all of you guys here.
But of course, I am not a godlike smasher like all of you guys here.
Exactly Shawn. Using the c-stick doesn't give an incredible advantage, especially at lower levels of play. But just look at some of these quotes...
Spamming c-stick is only effective if the opponent isn't punishing correctly, which would make it seem overpowered when it isn't overpowered at all.
I like Adam, but apparently if he is losing to a Wolf that is spamming c-stick smashes, then he isn't a good enough player to be punishing these c-stick attacks consistently.
The c-stick gives the player using it a slight advantage, but not enough to make it where you can just carelessly spam c-stick smashes. If you do this vs a good player he is going to punish you no matter what controls he's using.
Spamming c-stick is only effective if the opponent isn't punishing correctly, which would make it seem overpowered when it isn't overpowered at all.
KingofTheSouth33
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lol..............
Vitamin X
Smash Journeyman
It was ONE match. There's a reason any tournament claiming to be worth anything has SETS. Good grief. Am I going to have to seek out this guy, challenge him to a $20 3 of 5 MM, and beat him down just to get this out of the air!?Rant over.
felix45
Smash Lord
lol, I trust your lucario would of won adam
Lol, I bet you are better than this random guy, but if you were letting him just spam c-stick to win then you weren't punishing him. I wasn't there so I don't know if you weren't punishing him because he's actually a decent player or because you were just messing around.
Lol, I wanna **** this Wolf player with the ****tiest character now... Hahaha...
Lol, I wanna **** this Wolf player with the ****tiest character now... Hahaha...
felix45
Smash Lord
haha, dont rag on the wolf guy, he is a cool guy
he was some guy who lives in the dorms that came by once. we all played him in singles then we did doubles cuz there were a lot of people there. plus, sometimes people play bad vs others the very first time. for example, when I played this guy named small bad wolf for the first time at a tournament (in melee...long time ago) I beat him by 3 stocks, but when we did friendlies a week later he constantly beat me. so yea adam is right to say you need sets to decide who really is better.
he was some guy who lives in the dorms that came by once. we all played him in singles then we did doubles cuz there were a lot of people there. plus, sometimes people play bad vs others the very first time. for example, when I played this guy named small bad wolf for the first time at a tournament (in melee...long time ago) I beat him by 3 stocks, but when we did friendlies a week later he constantly beat me. so yea adam is right to say you need sets to decide who really is better.
felix45
Smash Lord
I assume it would be open, though really I have no clue.
will you be able to get into the rec ryan?
will you be able to get into the rec ryan?
Vitamin X
Smash Journeyman
It may not be free for him to get in the Rec. Hm, something we haven't thought of...
I go to tech just like all of you guys! Didn't you know?!
****, I will just run in =P. We should all go swimming too =D, I never hang out with any of you guys unless it's gaming.
EDIT: Also, Felix where is it at specifically? What time is it starting? Where did you even hear about this? Maybe we should meet up or something.
****, I will just run in =P. We should all go swimming too =D, I never hang out with any of you guys unless it's gaming.
EDIT: Also, Felix where is it at specifically? What time is it starting? Where did you even hear about this? Maybe we should meet up or something.
felix45
Smash Lord
I get out of class at 4. it is at the rec, it starts at 6pm. I'm up for anything after class, my weekend is free of worry, nothing due and no tests for some time. I had 3 tests this week and I need to relieve some stress!
Vitamin X
Smash Journeyman
You didn't miss much, Ryan. The event was very disorganized. They arrived way late and took time setting up the field; Felix and I spent almost and hour playing ping-pong waiting. Then they didn't inform us of the whole waiting procedure, and a whole bunch of other BS. And it was very easy to cheat.