The New Counter Game: Read the **** Rules or the Thread Get's Locked

[WouW]

First of all, there's no guarantee slowbro used trick room.

But if you want me to redo the set:

Exeggutor @ Expert Belt
Quiet/ Chlorophyl
0 Speed IVs
128 DEF/252 SP.ATK/128 SP.DEF
Psychic
Energy Ball
Synthesis
Ancientpower

With no speed IVs and with your full IVs, I'm slower and I get the OHKO.

Who says I have full speed IVs? Granted, I'm too lazy to type that down but me using a Brave nature and saying I'm assuming Trick Room should be saying enough.

That said, Hariyama is still not countered as this is outslowed and 2HKOed by Stone Edge.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Who says I have full speed IVs? Granted, I'm too lazy to type that down but me using a Brave nature and saying I'm assuming Trick Room should be saying enough.

That said, Hariyama is still not countered as this is outslowed and 2HKOed by Stone Edge.

:flame:
Ugh... no one has countered this yet? If I don't, who will?

Slowbro @ Wise Glasses
Bold/Own Tempo
192hp/252defense/66specialattack
Psychic
SlackOff
CalmMind
Surf

I'm actually not fully sure on this counter. Ever since Highschool ended, I haven't been using my brain much.... actually, I didn't use it much anyway. But I should be able to simply Slack Off, barely surviving each Facade, until your burn puts you at the point where I can kill you with Psychic, right?

And despite how frustrating it is to try to calculate the statistics of this game with Sunnday, Reflect, LightScreen, Raindance, SandStorm, Hail, and TrickRoom, they are all very valid factors that must be considered if used by a Pokemon (although if this counter works, the field should be normal again).
:flame:

 

[NJzFinest]

Bellossom @ Heat Rock
Timid
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Sunny Day
SolarBeam
Sleep Powder
Hidden Power Fire

(still works hehe)

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Bellossom @ Heat Rock
Timid
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Sunny Day
SolarBeam
Sleep Powder
Hidden Power Fire

(still works hehe)

:flame:
You seem to be lacking an ability....

Also, allow us to verify that the Slowbro even counters the Hariyama. I might be wrong, and Hariyama could still be up.

So, Wouw, what is your standing on this situation? Does my counter fail? Or is Slowbro the current Pokemon to beat?
:flame:

 

[WouW]

:flame:
You seem to be lacking an ability....

Also, allow us to verify that the Slowbro even counters the Hariyama. I might be wrong, and Hariyama could still be up.

So, Wouw, what is your standing on this situation? Does my counter fail? Or is Slowbro the current Pokemon to beat?
:flame:

It works; Facade does just under 50% max so you can stall out with Slack Off until I die from Flame Orb or you get a Psychic in.
Also, Bellossom can only get one ability (Chlorophyll) so that isn't really important.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

It works; Facade does just under 50% max so you can stall out with Slack Off until I die from Flame Orb or you get a Psychic in.
Also, Bellossom can only get one ability (Chlorophyll) so that isn't really important.

:flame:
Hehe, I just felt like being anal. So, how are you going to roast my Slowbro?
:flame:

 

[WouW]

Isn't Bellossom the current counter as it can just sleep you and set up?

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Isn't Bellossom the current counter as it can just sleep you and set up?

:flame:
Oh crap. I'm mother frigging blind. I didn't even see that that was SLEEP Powder. My God I need my eyes checked. I'll kill it in a second though.

Hopefully my poor eyesight won't screw me over in college.

Honcrow @ Expert Belt
Timid/Insomnia
4hp/252specialattack/252speed
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Flying
Heat Wave

Sunnyday as I come in, then HiddenPowerFire while I use Heatwave. This one should work, right? If so, Yay for the boosted weather for like 6 turns!
:flame:

 

[supermarth64]

:flame:
Oh crap. I'm mother frigging blind. I didn't even see that that was SLEEP Powder. My God I need my eyes checked. I'll kill it in a second though.

Hopefully my poor eyesight won't screw me over in college.

Honcrow @ Expert Belt
Timid/Insomnia
4hp/252specialattack/252speed
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Flying
Heat Wave

Sunnyday as I come in, then HiddenPowerFire while I use Heatwave. This one should work, right? If so, Yay for the boosted weather for like 6 turns!
:flame:

Chansey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
252 Def / 252 SDef / 4 Spe
-Wish
-Protect
-Seismic Toss
-Toxic

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Chansey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
-Wish
-Protect
-Seismic Toss
-Toxic

:flame:
You seem to be lacking some Ev's there....

Pikachu @ Light Ball
Naive/Static
36attack/222specialattack/252speed
BrickBreak
NastyPlot
Thunderbolt
HiddenPowerIce

You can only Protect for so long, while I definitely outspeed, and get an eventual instant kill with Brick Break.
:flame:

 

[supermarth64]

Whoops, knew I forgot something there. Also, it's not an instant kill (after I added in the EVs).
310 Atk vs 109 Def & 641 HP (75 Base Power): 306 - 362 (47.74% - 56.47%)
25.44% of 2HKO with Brick Break.
Actually, even less.
If I Toxic on the switch in, you lost already.
If I Toss on the switch in, it goes:
Toxic, Protect, Wish while you Brick Break 3 times.
You'd have to roll max damage 2 times in order to win.

 

[NJzFinest]

Since Pikachu gest beat by the Toxic/Wish Stall

Gastly @ Macho Brace
0 Spe IVs
Quiet

Taunt
Trick Room
Curse
Toxic (Thi was orginally Destiny Bond, but it's banned Yeah, I was going for the TR Destiny Bond cause it's pure lulz)

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
**** my computer not showing the updates to post after my post!
:flame:

 

[NJzFinest]

I updated before you posted.

And you NEED to OHKO Blissey if it does Toxic on the switch.

In other words...


get at my Gastly yall

 

[supermarth64]

Your Pikachu still fails.

Remember what a counter is: A Pokemon that can safely switch into any of the attacks from the Pokemon.

It can't switch into Toxic as then I outstall with Wish + Protect.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
I absolutely hate how I don't seem to be able to see any posts or modifications to posts until I close and re-open internet explorer.

I also hate that you people can null and void a counter that has been posted by going back and editing your pokemon. -.-

And I hate how I just realised the way that Toxic , Wish, and Protect stall works.

I just feel like a hater right now.

Zangoose @ Lifeorb
Adamant/Immunity
4hp/252attack/252speed
SwordDance
Return
CloseCombat
ShadowClaw

Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate...
Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate...
*begins cutting self and bathing people in the blood*
Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate...
Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate... Hate...
:flame:

 

[supermarth64]

Ironically, that works on both Chansey and Gastly.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Ironically, that works on both Chansey and Gastly.

:flame:
.... *cuts own throat* ....
:flame:

 

[KrazyGlue]

Sorry for late responses, I've been off the site a couple of days due to finals.

Bellossom @ Heat Rock
Timid
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Sunny Day
SolarBeam
Sleep Powder
Hidden Power Fire

Yes we do, we have to.

Counter = being able to switch in and threaten the opponent's pokemon.

This is a misunderstanding; here's what I meant:

Example:

Hariyama comes in on crawdaunt.
Hariyama takes some damage when it switches in.
Exeguttor comes in. We now don't assume hariyama has the damage it took from crawdaunt.

Who says I have full speed IVs? Granted, I'm too lazy to type that down but me using a Brave nature and saying I'm assuming Trick Room should be saying enough.

That said, Hariyama is still not countered as this is outslowed and 2HKOed by Stone Edge.

Nope, you have to specify IVs. Being lazy is no excuse (it's only 3 words anyway). So, hariyama was countered. But, since it's too late to fix the whole chain now, I'll just counter the most recent one.

Zangoose @ Lifeorb
Adamant/Immunity
4hp/252attack/252speed
SwordDance
Return
CloseCombat
ShadowClaw

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Bold/ Pressure
252 HP/252 DEF/4 SP. ATK
HP fighting
Will-o-wisp
Sucker Punch
Pain split

 

[supermarth64]

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Bold/ Pressure
252 HP/252 DEF/4 SP. ATK
HP fighting
Will-o-wisp
Sucker Punch
Pain split

I'll beat your Pokemon with the same Pokemon.

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Bold / Pressure
252 HP / 92 Def / 144 SpA / 4 Spe
-Substitute
-Rest
-Will-o-wisp
-Dark Pulse

The given EVs never let Sucker Punch destroy a Substitute in 1 hit, blocks WoW (and can rest off if switches into it anyway). WoW for residual damage, Dark Pulse for attacking.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I'll beat your Pokemon with the same Pokemon.
Spiritomb

:flame:
I know this rule has been violated several times, but it was placed on the first page that you can't use a counter that has already been listed...
:flame:

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Err... Disregard everything I just said.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
And on that note:

Toxicroak @ Leftovers
Quiet / Dry Skin
4hp/124defense/252specialattack/124specialdefense
NastyPlot
Vacuum Wave
SludgeBomb
Dark Pulse

I feel confident about this one. Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I cancel out Willowisp with my Leftovers, take little damage from Hidden Power Fighting and Sucker Punch, and can simply Nasty Plot until Sludge Bomb is an instant kill, as to stop Pain-Split. Thank God the weather has cleared up by now ((Bellosom vs Slowbro) vs Honcrow vs Chansey vs Gastly vs Zangoose vs Spiritomb), since so many turns have passed, or I'd be burning alive. If only we can do something about that freaking Trick Room.
:flame:

 

[KrazyGlue]

:flame:
And on that note:

Toxicroak @ Leftovers
Quiet / Dry Skin
4hp/124defense/252specialattack/124specialdefense
NastyPlot
Vacuum Wave
SludgeBomb
Dark Pulse

I feel confident about this one. Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I cancel out Willowisp with my Leftovers, take little damage from Hidden Power Fighting and Sucker Punch, and can simply Nasty Plot until Sludge Bomb is an instant kill, as to stop Pain-Split. Thank God the weather has cleared up by now ((Bellosom vs Slowbro) vs Honcrow vs Chansey vs Gastly vs Zangoose vs Spiritomb), since so many turns have passed, or I'd be burning alive. If only we can do something about that freaking Trick Room.
:flame:

Trick room is long gone.

Anyways, you best bet would be to use dark pulse; sludge bomb is weak against spiritomb. And actually, it wouldn't be an OHKO, lol.

But, you could still win by doing 2 nasty plots and then a 2HKO Dark pulse, and lose only about 200 health.

And on that note:

Gallade @ Expert Belt
Adamant/ Steadfast
252 ATK/4 DEF/252 Speed
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Night Slassh

 

[WouW]

Nope, you have to specify IVs.

4) Assume that all Pokés have 31 IVs in each stat, unless things like Gyro Ball/Trick Room are used.

You can't just assume I have 31 IVs for Speed when I have a Hariyama made specifically for Trick Room.

Above rule also says that it's not necessary to specify IVs, since we can assume max everything - bar hp in some special cases.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Trick room is long gone.

Anyways, you best bet would be to use dark pulse; sludge bomb is weak against spiritomb. And actually, it wouldn't be an OHKO, lol.

But, you could still win by doing 2 nasty plots and then a 2HKO Dark pulse, and lose only about 200 health.

And on that note:

Gallade @ Expert Belt
Adamant/ Steadfast
252 ATK/4 DEF/252 Speed
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Night Slassh

:flame:
I'm almost certain that I could have gotten enough Nasty Plot Boosts for Sludgebomb to have hurt Spiritomb.

Oh well. Check the post at the bottom for the counter. It's a Staraptor. On a random note, does Experbelt only power up Super Effective moves? Do neutrals stay... neutral?
:flame:

 

[Pink Reaper]

That Kingler has less than 1% chance of actually working. You'd have to roll absolute max damage on Crabhammer, dealing 87.73%, which is just BARELY enough to kill with Jacoba berry in the mix, however anything less than absolute max will result in 1HP left on Gallade.

tl;dr Fix it so it works better.

 

[KrazyGlue]

That Kingler has less than 1% chance of actually working. You'd have to roll absolute max damage on Crabhammer, dealing 87.73%, which is just BARELY enough to kill with Jacoba berry in the mix, however anything less than absolute max will result in 1HP left on Gallade.

tl;dr Fix it so it works better.

So... should I counter the kingler, or wait?

 

[supermarth64]

Are you using Metalkid's damage calculator? That one's inflated. Libellera's is a lot more accurate. Also,

353 Atk vs 167 Def & 277 HP (90 Base Power): 204 - 241 (73.65% - 87.00%)

No way to OHKO Gallade after Jacoba Berry. Even with max Atk EVs, it's only 7.69% chance of OHKO.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
I made a stupid mistake on my paper. I forgot that Fighting types take reduced from Bug attacks, and was hoping X-Scizzor was just close enough minimum for the Jacoba berry to kill. New Counter:

Staraptor @ Leftovers
Adamant/Intimidate
138hp/138attack/138defense/96speed
Fly
Brave Bird
Close Combat
Return

This one definitely works. Or I'm going to cut myself more.
:flame:

 

[ungulateman]

Woops, I posted an OU Pokemon.

Electivire @ Choice Band
Adamant / Motor Drive
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Brick Break

That's better.

 

[WouW]

14) For Choiced Movesets, Make Sure That All Moves Work Against What It's Supposed To Counter. For Example, Don't Post A Choiced Slaking With Shadow Claw On Something Like Lopunny, As Shadow Claw Would Not Be Able To Beat The Previous Counter.

Electivire @ Choice Band
Adamant / Motor Drive
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Brick Break

AAAAAAAARGH

Spoiler

l

 

[supermarth64]

Woops, I posted an OU Pokemon.

Electivire @ Choice Band
Adamant / Motor Drive
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Brick Break

That's better.

That's still OU...

Staraptor @ Leftovers
Adamant/Intimidate
138hp/138attack/138defense/96speed
Fly
Brave Bird
Close Combat
Return

Uxie @ Life Orb
Modest / Levitate
116 HP / 252 SpA / 140 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Energy Ball

 

[NJzFinest]

Uxie @ Life Orb
Modest / Levitate
116 HP / 252 SpA / 140 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Energy Ball

LOL, sweeper Uxie xD

Shiftry @ Life Orb
Modest / Chlorophyll
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Sunny Day
SolarBeam
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse

 

[WouW]

LOL, sweeper Uxie xD

Shiftry @ Life Orb
Modest / Chlorophyll
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Sunny Day
SolarBeam
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse

Blaziken @ Choice Band
Jolly/Blaze
4HP/252Atk/252Spe
Superpower
Flare Blitz
Brave Bird
Poison Jab

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
Darn you, Wouw... I wanted to use a Bug on him.. Heck, Kakuna might have gotten close.... my Pinsir feels neglected.

YOU *******! YOU WOULD PICK THE ONE POKEMON I CAN'T COUNTER! -.-

Someone else has to do it... I can't... I just... I... I can't.... Please make it quick....
:flame:

 

[NJzFinest]

Apparently STAB Dark Pulse doesn't effect Bug pokemon.

Also, I love how earlier you posted a Slowbro set and now you're saying you can't counter a Blaziken,... lol?

Slowbro @ Wise Glasses
Bold/Own Tempo
192hp/252defense/66specialattack
Psychic
SlackOff
CalmMind
Surf

There, countered.

 

[Hobobloke]

I think he may be indicating his love for Blaziken therfore he can't bring himself to counter it.

 

[NJzFinest]

I guess so, Blaziken fanboys are like that.

They need to realize that Infernape is more amazing / cooler in everything

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I guess so, Blaziken fanboys are like that.

They need to realize that Infernape is more amazing / cooler in everything

:flame:
Monkeys suck Monkey Nuts. And you are a cold hearted monster for just so calmly harming the elegant Phoenix. You can officially burn in Hell.

And I'm more of a Dragon Trainer than a Blaziken Fanboy. But Blaziken will always be special to me, because of a friend of mine who used to use her.

Also, Infernape isn't that much better than Blaziken. The only thing that Infernape has over Blaziken is more speed and access to Nasty Plot. Blaziken is stronger, arguably a little bulkier, can Baton Pass, and has Agility. Close Combat might be nice, but I'm perfectly fine with Sky UpperCut, so I don't lose my defenses over time. I prefer not killing myself while I fight, which is why I like Blaze Kick over Flare Blitz. Also, Blaizken has access to Reversal too, which is a little plus after I have taken a few hits.

But enough about this. Let us continue the game. Finest, since you copied the earlier Slowbro, I'll counter it:

Magneton @ Shuca Berry
Modest/Sturdy
4hp/252specialattack/252speed
Metal Sound
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power Ice
Hyper Beam

I can't wait to be outspeed and Earthquaked.
:flame: