The nerve of those who evade bulletseed

[Timothy2035]

I have been fighting a player lately who is getting out of bulletseed. He seems to flow through it or fall out of it as its starting (like the character is fainting or something). This throws his character a bit over to the side and he gets up.

I mean how do these people get out of bulletseed anyway?

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

DI I guess.You should use it while he is still.Its supposed to be the ultimate Punisher.

 

[Syrus_Draco]

If they act fast enough they have a chance to DI and avoid the attack all together.

 

[ksizl4life]

lolz this is full of fail XD

 

[Elliot Gale]

Bullet Seed sucks. Only way it's doing anything against someone who knows what they're doing is like... if you buffer it out of a Nair that picked them off the ground.

 

[ice_cream_man]

Nice sig elliot. haha "teamwork guys, teamwork"

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

Bullet Seed sucks. Only way it's doing anything against someone who knows what they're doing is like... if you buffer it out of a Nair that picked them off the ground.

Actually I managed to predict a Sideroll dodge and get perfect ones or when they are close enough and spotdodge.It should never be used alot however.Too open

 

[Syrus_Draco]

Bullet Seed is a great counter move.

Side step then counter with it.

Predict rolls going to you and punish.

Bair to Bullet Seed.

DASH AND BULLET SEED!

 

[Timothy2035]

Actually I managed to predict a Sideroll dodge and get perfect ones or when they are close enough and spotdodge.It should never be used alot however.Too open

I have used bulletseed to break up combos on me. Its handy. It doesn't stop all of them, but some it will have effect on.

Bullet Seed sucks. Only way it's doing anything against someone who knows what they're doing is like... if you buffer it out of a Nair that picked them off the ground.

Well its something he learned recently and have been applying. I am still going to try and nail him in a bulletseed when I can.

 

[Elliot Gale]

Yeah, Seeding a roll is mean. lol

 

[Phiddlesticks]

Yeah I dunno, maybe that's a subtle hint for you to not use Bullet Seed like it's some sort of godsend? It's not a spammable move and shouldn't be used nearly as much as I see most Ivysaurs use it.

 

[Bestiarius]

Yeah, Elliot, well, Bullet Seed does suck against IC's. You have to be amazing and they have to have the worst luck in order for both of them to get caught.

 

[Elliot Gale]

Don't you think I know that? oO

But it's not just them...

 

[Magik0722]

yes you can smash DI the first hit, but most people usually dont since it comes out so fast

 

[Bestiarius]

I know you know. I was just agreeing with you. I just don't think that it sucks against that many people. You just have to not be an idiot when you use it. It's highly punishable if you are stupid and decide to spam it.

 

[typh]

hit them with it once, if they DI out of the first hit don't use it again, but if they don't you can use it

you'll get punished but imo it's worth it to find out if you can use BS or not

 

[Miles.]

No SDI = Ivy will **** them really hard.

 

[Retro Gaming]

Bullet Seed is usable if you can get them into the stream without the aid of the first hit. You can use it near the ledge or something like that if you think they'll jump back onto the stage.
That's a lot easier said than done.

But yes, using the pop-up hit is unreliable.

 

[Magik0722]

Yes i have been avoiding using the first hit recently, its not all taht hard tbh since its really usful in punishing air dodges

 

[typh]

if they're airdodging that close id rather use upsmash 8)

 

[The Derrit]

if you use it in midair the popup is a lot safer

 

[Magik0722]

well i usually jump + B to catch air dodgers

 

[Canvasofgrey]

Doesn't pop-up only affect the enemy if they are touching the ground though? I thought it was that at least ._.;

Anyway, sometimes I find using BS right when they are edge hugging kinda nice because, especially to more aggressive, fastpace brawlers, they come up as fast as they can, and if you time it right, they just go right into the stream of seeds without really realizing it.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

I'm pretty sure every time something has DI'd out of a bullet seed, it was a falco. But that's on the ground, I'm pretty sure you can't DI out when an already bullet seeding ivy lands right on you.

 

[Canvasofgrey]

Wario has crazy DI, I think he can do well to take minimal damage if he's caught in the stream.

 

[Bomber7]

maybe this has been said but I'm too lazy to look.

This works at low %'s I highly suggest it should be one of the first things you do. Nair into a bullet seed. sinc you can follow up with virtually anyhting with out lag after a Nair, why not use BS? I've dont it quite a few times and am happy to say it works. Idk if my opponent will be able to easily DI from it but it hasnt been DI's out of yet.

then after this is done at a rough estimate you will deal at least 30-40+ damage, by then you are in the % range to start owning with ivy.

 

[Ukemi]

If only you could dash/walk and Bullet Seed at the same time...nah too broken.

 

[Timothy2035]

maybe this has been said but I'm too lazy to look.

This works at low %'s I highly suggest it should be one of the first things you do. Nair into a bullet seed. sinc you can follow up with virtually anyhting with out lag after a Nair, why not use BS? I've dont it quite a few times and am happy to say it works. Idk if my opponent will be able to easily DI from it but it hasnt been DI's out of yet.

then after this is done at a rough estimate you will deal at least 30-40+ damage, by then you are in the % range to start owning with ivy.

yeah I do the nAir into bulletseed as well. As often as I can. It really helps to get them being more cautious to try and attack me.

 

[CHOMPY]

if you fastfall a back air then a bulletseed. You can really pull it off as well as long as you space it right though.

 

[Ryusuta]

if they're airdodging that close id rather use upsmash 8)

Not if they're at a low percentage and/or Ivysaur is exhausted.

 

[K-Dog244]

I only use it on bigger foes and I jump above them then start it.