The Mostly Critique Thread; COMPLETELY UPDATED 3/11/10; Just for Scabe! :D

[ndayday]

I WILL update late this week or early next week.

Just throwin' that out there.

 

[Scabe]

Whoo I got some new vids. I think that I've improved alot from a month ago. Your probably all bored of the Silfa vs Scabe thing since there's so many of them but everytime we play we always have epic matches.

Mid Tier Tourney, March 14th, 2010: Scabe vs Silfa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCUSJxra2_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4S8oicVLYc

Definitely more to come, about 50 replays saved against a whole lot of people. I suggest subscribing if your interested.

 

[Mota]

Awesome Link you got there Scabe.

Congrats on the new mod powers

 

[Anonano]

I posted and asked for critique over on the AiB boards, but since I know it'll be another five months or so before they get around to me, I'd also like to ask for critique over here.

*Offline* Ano v. Rich(Wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kMuMRVE9IM
*Offline* Ano v. Hawk(Ike)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pY-fEiMv58

(AiB Ladder) Ano v. UltraNOVA(Luigi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMu58FfSYbA
-Online- v Nesszors/Danny(?)(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd3ov7fXZSM
-Online- v Nesszors/Danny(?)(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDIO6XRZr4Q
-Online- v 2Link(Zelda) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWX9Lbw7hTo
-Online- v 2Link(Zelda) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z70ctMgTw78

Just assume I'm playing at my best in all of them. That's all the vids I'll submit.

 

[Scabe]

Critiquing the one where you play Rich:

Watching this Wolf, he liked to roll alot, a good thing to do is to do an empty short hop and fakeouts to get a response from the Wolf and then try to punish the rolls. Take the risk and look the other way and wait for him to roll.

He really liked doing Dash attack, don't know why. Sheild grab that shiz.

He had a habit of charging his smashes when you were on the ledge. I think patience and timing your get up attack would help that. He also shielded after everything he did, so again fakeouts just do some empty shorthops crossovers to the other side of his shield, or even better sheild pressure him by attack his shield while staying out of the shield grab range.

Some of your habits were missing alot with laggy ending moves like Jab combo.

Was this wifi?

Some things to learn are, Auto cancelled Dair's of the platforms on Battlefield you were up on the platforms alot, so that puts you in a good position to use your dair lagless.

Loved the gale push kill. Loved the bomb throw into Up air and Wolf's voice when he died LMAO! Epic ending as well. I like the way you always mix things up, I think that's why I find your Link to be great to watch. I liked the Zair's into Grabs.

I'm too tired to proof read x_x

 

[Anonano]

*Offline* Ano v. Rich(Wolf)

Yeah, you are pretty tired

 

[Rizen]

*Offline* Ano v. Hawk(Ike)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pY-fEiMv58

The main things are you're spending a lot of time doing nothing when you should be spamming the **** out of him, and you approach. Aggressively spam from a distance then switch to a bait and counter with Zair and melee combat when Ike is forced to approach. When he's far off stage jump an arrow then charge from quickdraw and release the second arrow when Ike's on the same horizontal plane; he can't avoid it and live. Don't intercept off the stage, spam instead. Sweet bomb spike, by the way.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh forgot to post vids here, I'll critique later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZxa9KPLMTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sNDizWMm8o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Eawwa3YX4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAfcu-Y-rmY

 

[Scabe]

I'm going to critique the first match, so if anyone else is going to critique, critique the others.

I think Castle Siege is a horrible stage and that ROB is a tough matchup for Link. So you did really well to get that win.

It looked as though you remained calm during the whole match. Which is something you always must do. Remain calm. I think the ROB started panicking especially in the last stock where he kept rolling back and forth.

The ROB player was really good, he had a good use of projectiles. I think the thing he did was, hardly shield and constantly be in your face. He didn't even airdodge, What you have to do is keep spacing well, make your aerials beat his, especially use Zair and predict where he'll be. Also I think if you shielded more in this matchup it would have helped with the constant in your face approach, Not only that he wasn't going for grabs nor did he do crossovers. So shieldgrabbing might have been good against Fair and Nair. Although ROB's Fair and Nair have really fast ending lag, it wouldn't hurt to try a shield grab and if it fails just don't do it again.

He also would roll away alot. You could exploit this, by experimenting with things like jab to see if he rolls away again. From then either run up to grab or DAC. But keep in mind that ROB's roll actually looks good and this probably won't work But the point is, you have to pick up on habits.

On Castle Siege by the looks of it in the beginning, you want to control the left side of the stage, this is where Zair would ****.

If the opponent is far away, that's a good oppurtinity to pull out a bomb. Bombs before boomerang. You definiltely need more of a bomb game.

Watching the Dair of the statues gave me a good idea, perhaps you can short hop Dair and the first one hits the statue while the second actually falls down with the chance of hitting the opponent.

I think it was mostly your first stock when you were at high percents you started rushing in. Just stay calm, pull out a bomb and don't do anything that can be punished easily.

The second stock of ROB, was ****, you did so well there! After that the ROB really started to panic for a bit so you really scared him.

Anyways hope some of this helps, feel free to correct me, also sorry it couldn't be more organised.

 

[ndayday]

Man.

Better update again I guess. o_o

 

[Scabe]

Got some more videos up!

14th March, 2010: ​

Mid Tier Tourney, Winner's Final:
Scabe vs Tedeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734-7Bcs_XI&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNK75AwjD4&feature=channel

High Tier Tourney:
Scabe vs swordsaint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jxB9S62KZo&feature=channel

Mid Tier Tourney, Grand Finals:
Scabe vs Tedeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTmWISO9z8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39nBIwx9u8

Pretty sure in all these matches I get *****

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

Got some more videos up!

14th March, 2010: ​

Mid Tier Tourney, Winner's Final:
Scabe vs Tedeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734-7Bcs_XI&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNK75AwjD4&feature=channel

High Tier Tourney:
Scabe vs swordsaint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jxB9S62KZo&feature=channel

Mid Tier Tourney, Grand Finals:
Scabe vs Tedeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTmWISO9z8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39nBIwx9u8

Pretty sure in all these matches I get *****

Might want to watch your spacing a bit and not let that Wolf in so close. Not much else I can really say. loved your bomb throw>footstool>fast falling nair>jab lock on Tedeth and your luring of the phantasm against swordsaint. Delicious.

EDIT: Just finished watching the Finals against Tedeth on Frigate. Better spacing. Amazing finish.

 

[Anonano]

Delicious. Luscious.

I gave Scabe in-person critique, though for the benefit of everyone else I just told him he was just flat-out tired in the final couple of matches; he would've beaten Tedeth if he hadn't have been so tired.

 

[Scabe]

I doubt it, even if I had all that energy, Tedeth is on a whole different level from me, I rarely ever win against him, so I'm actually proud of my 2 wins (I think) in winner's final. I'm thinking of regularly playing chess to train my brain and doing some exercise now (thanks Ano for that)

 

[parade17]

Hi, Hi

Hi everyone, how is it going?

It's been a long time since I posted videos here 'cause I try not to bother so much, but here I am again . I would like you to full critique my three videos, and thanks for doing it.

-parade17 (link) vs kira (ike): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9bzSzcShok

-parade17(link) vs mun (olimar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtcGDvdpMdY

-parade17 (link) vs dante (marth): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42utIA62eXY

And once again thanks for wathching the videos. Bye

 

[links24]

hey sorry if this bad timing but i was wondering somone could record some of my replays so i can get them critiqued thx in advance if somone can

 

[Scabe]

hey sorry if this bad timing but i was wondering somone could record some of my replays so i can get them critiqued thx in advance if somone can

No problem man. If you have MSN add me there, and I'll get it sorted out.

 

[ndayday]

Seriously good matches.
I can't critique, especially not now.

But man guys you're killing me with all these videos.
I'll find time sometime tomorrow probably.

 

[tedeth]

I gave Scabe in-person critique, though for the benefit of everyone else I just told him he was just flat-out tired in the final couple of matches; he would've beaten Tedeth if he hadn't have been so tired.

Dayum son. Some big words there. Tired johns for someone else.

Nah Scabe is too pro. I'm sure one day he's just going to **** me.

Although next time I'm going to shine spike him like everytime he gets offstage... I watched the vids myself and facepalmed at my lack of matchup knowledge/intelligence.

Love namesearching.

 

[Anonano]

Lol tedeth xD

That's true, you do get tired hjons as well. Also, lrn2MU. Then you can screw him even more.

Do moar edge dsmashes btw, I don't think you killed Scabe enough with that.

EDIT: Parade...

For opponents that like to move around you like Dante, you should use more moves with sweeping range and motions (especially use more utilt). Several times you tried to grab or fsmash him while he just jumped over you or moved past you.

With Olimar you just need more MU experience. Nair is great for wrecking his pikmin spam, it also helps your approach. On SV you can either rush him with FF nairs (which goes through everything he has, including usmash) or you can get to the platform and start bomb camping, which is nice for a breather. Just keep jumping so that his pikmin miss and he's forced to approach you.

 

[parade17]

Thanks

Hi everyone.

Thanks for the comments ANONANO, i'll keep in mind everything you said, and thanks for helping me to improve my game, I appreciated. About the Utilt i will try to practice that 'cause I play with the "TAP JUMP ON", so I guess it's practice time .

Hope more people see my videos to critique them. Thanks for all, bye.

 

[Scabe]

So I watched the match where you played against an Ike, Parade. First thing I'd that popped into my head was, man this Link is amazing. I loved your use of Fair and Nair, you've inspired me to hit with the first hit of Fair more. You were so lively and aggro, which was so cool to watch, I seriously wish I could play like that.

Your really good at mixing up your game, you kept doing different things each time, that's another thing that I'm jealous of you. You spot dodge really well, and you seem to know what moves push them back where they can't shield grab you and you get a free punish, something you did really well. Your spacing of Zair was nice, you didn't get punished for it.

Try to mixup your aerial approaches, everytime you went in the air it was an attack, doing empty short hops is a good mind game to see what their reaction is.

So yeah you have a really solid Link, what you need to work on is analysing your opponent's habits.

The Ike likes to run in at you alot, and tries to power shield everything you do, how to beat this? Try grabbing. Since he doesn't spot dodge and he just focuses on trying to powershield you, grabs are effective. But also your spacing game works as well, since he only tries to powersheild you but doesn't shield much in general.

And when he does run at you, he punishes your Full hops.

Anyways man, you have one of the best aggro Link's I've seen, I'm looking forward to seeing you grow and how you do in tourneys.

 

[parade17]

Thanks SCABE

Hi everyone, how is it going?

Thanks for everything you said to me SCABE, you would never imagine how much it meant to me, I really loved that you loved my link 'cause at least it wasn't a boring link to watch. I will keep in mind everything you an ANONANO said to me and I guess you guys was right in every aspect, so I really appreciated each single word.

I hope my link some day be as good as yours, I really love your link. I'll try to upload some vids of upcoming tourneys. Thanks for everything, bye

 

[Scabe]

Arcade is such a cool guy

Also I've noticed my critiquing really wasn't much at all, it was all compliments .

 

[Anonano]

You really do fail at critiquing people xD

(Btw, I'm in chat again... come back Scabe D: )

Parade, your Link really is good, and I'm glad you had excellent opponents to play. It kept me engaged the whole time, and I think I've learned some new strategies from you. You have my respect, hope to see more of you soon.

 

[parade17]

Thanks ANONANO

Hi again.

Thanks for the comment ANONANO, I really appreciated, and I'm glad i helped you in some way, AND THANKS FOR YOUR RESPECTS that means a lot to me (not a sarcasm).

See ya guys later. Bye

 

[Scabe]

14th March, 2010:

Low Tier, Grand Finals, Set 1 (1/2):
Scabe vs zxv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaSdlrCT2_w​

I never knew how hard it is to hit Jiggs. I also got to stop doing that stupid Dair auto cancel trick, man I spammed that and got punished for it so much

 

[Anonano]

Honestly, this is one matchup I don't condone the use of bombs. It's just a waste of time trying to pull them when you can just play a good spacing game and totally screw Jiggz. In fact, pulling a bomb messed you up and set you up for combos, particularly the one at the beginning.

DON'T SPAM DAIR, THAT IS YOUR KILL MOVE NOT A TOY. D:<
Dair autocancel is nice, but don't get overhyped about it. It will be nice to bait and punish occasionally, but not constantly. That's just asking to get punished yourself for a gimmick.

Fair is your move to spam. It outranges and outprioritizes Jiggz, and it can be used up high or FFed into the ground at a half seconds' notice. Jiggz has no retaliation, not even an effective shield grab retaliation. Zair is half-baked in this matchup; it'll miss about half the time, even if Jiggz can't retaliate, and it'll also only ever hit once. Just bait the Jiggz into approaching the fair.
Utilt only works well above 15%-30%, just FYI. That's why you got punished at the start of the second stock.
As soon as Jiggz is about 25%ish, just SHFF fair until the Jiggz makes it past; then go right into utilt.

Tbh, I see little reason projectiles should be used in this matchup at all. Link's close-range game is simply superior to Jiggz, and Jiggz has the maneuverability to move around the boomerang and catch bombs pretty easily.

Stages like Brinstar change the game a little, but I think you were taken more by surprise than anything. Get on a platform, and when Jiggz tries to approach, FF nair through them. Try and zone them so that they must either approach from directly above or directly below you, or straight at you. Keeping you at awkward angles was Jiggz' greatest strength in the Brinstar match. FF nair, run to a platform and then jump around on it until Jiggz tries to approach again. Then zone Jiggz again. Then again. This matchup is one you don't have to rush to win; just be patient.

 

[Scabe]

Why is Ano so amazing?

I loved all your points, definitely very helpful, thank you!

 

[Anonano]

You could take my arguments with a grain of salt.

I mean, you're not a world-recognized rising star, and I'm not a nobody, for nothing.

 

[Scabe]

14th March, 2010:
Low Tier, Grand Finals, Set 1 (2/2):
Scabe vs zxv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B05beSiD04U&feature=channel

Low Tier, Grand Finals, Set 2 (1/2):
Scabe vs zxv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx22QDzUYRo&feature=channel

Low Tier, Grand Finals, Set 2 (2/2):
Scabe vs zxv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG3yu74LeKk&feature=channel

zxv was amazing at finding all my bad habits and punishing me for them. I didn't ever pick up on how he was punishing me. I guess I'm really slow at adapting. I also should have watched his habits and tried to punish that. I can see that I get way way too impatient, and I spam the **** out of Dair :embarrass I really gotta get rid of these bad habits for the big major tourney coming up next month. So many things to work on and improve in such little time!

Any comments on the stage choices?

Because this matchup may bore you all, I recommend watching it for for the lol commentaries.

 

[Wafflez]

Uhm. Here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id9Ds4RrRpI


It's a really lulzy match I recorded at like, 3 AM when everyone was completely out of it. It's not great but I thought I'd give you guys something to work with.

 

[Scabe]

First of all, nice Link texture! :3

I really liked your use of Upsmash, I don't think I've seen anyone use upsmash that well with Link. Quite inspiring for me I liked your empty shorthops, your bomb in the air and catch it with Nair.

You have a spacing problem that I have. When you attack someone say with Zair/Fair/Nair, we both tend to space it so that we both get grabbed by it, so definitely work on spacing aerials so that either you don't get grabbed or space it so that you land behind their shield. (Something I haven't experimented with yet)

Another bad habit we both have is landing right in front of your opponent. One example is being hit and our natural instinct is to jump back and land in front of the opponent, train yourself to be more patient and space it so that you don't land in front of an opponent or you'll find that you'll get grabbed from the landing lag and such.

Your use of the boomerang is quite good, you utilise the second phase of the boomerang really well

With Snake you can actually shield grab his Ftilt's after they're done.

 

[Wafflez]

You have a spacing problem that I have. When you attack someone say with Zair/Fair/Nair, we both tend to space it so that we both get grabbed by it, so definitely work on spacing aerials so that either you don't get grabbed or space it so that you land behind their shield. (Something I haven't experimented with yet)

I actually already know the solution to this- it's been something that I should abuse.

Retreating Fair/Zair.

Anyways, that match was trash. We recorded it for lolz late at night. I'll get up something better next time.

 

[Huggles828]

Hahaha, it's Kakashi! Awesome!

That was really good (especially after factoring in it was late; I could tell when you short hopped right into a ftilt earlier on and how Snake kept blowing himself up). I don't know much about the matchup against a good Snake, but it looked like you did a great job stalling the grenades with your boomerang and using them against him and punishing his B up pretty badly.

I wish I knew someone who lived in my area, so I could play them.... and had a video capture device, because my camera sucks. As it is, the only "people" I have to play are computers except when I go home on break, so I just try to play them as if they were people and not abuse their stupid too much. But computers aren't very good judges of skill, or as fun to play.

...
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aszD5WwSDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QioiNL-s9ys
(Shameless links to battles against computers on a terrible camera :D )

 

[Anonano]

Since it's a CPU, there's not too much I can critique (because playing them is different from playing people). However, there are a few things I noticed:
When you knock the opponent high out of the screen, don't start jumping up and throwing bombs up at them. Usually it's fruitless; try and position yourself under them and time your jumping so that you can uair and come down with them, usually outlasting their airdodge and hitting them. Same can be said of dair.
Practice your zairs, particularly while advancing or retreating; you're (accidentally) full-hopping them instead of short-hopping.
Marth players will try and stagespike you--or wait a little longer so that your invincibility frames will wear off--as the recover onstage. So you get lucky with that, only facing a CPU.

Try and play WiFi with people, alright?

For you, Huggles: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=253491

 

[Scabe]

One of these are a tourney match and the other is a friendly. I'm not sure which is which though. I'll try to get some more vids up before it's starts being outdated.

March 14th,
Scabe vs ...Ellipsis...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FApqeJJ25hU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCmAgY9359I

 

[Yung Mei]

these are friendlies i would like to get critiqued on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDnh36L1Pwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaude0KxvAk


scabe i looked at your videos, i wish to play like you :D

 

[Scabe]

Haha thanks alot Calvo!

I watched the first one where it was you playing that Falco.

Always know that Falco's will want to get a grab on you at low percents. This is where you predict his grab opportunities and spam spot dodge and rolling.

You need more of a bomb game. When you do a move that pushes them out or you have enough space, pull out a bomb. Bombs are far more better than his Gale boomerang which you use alot but it never ends up hitting. This is a new way I've learnt to spam with Link. Bombpull > Throw Bomb > Gale Boomerang > Bomb Pull > Throw Bomb rinse and repeat, it's an amazing wall.

Don't fast fall Dair, use it in a way that you don't get the Dair lag: Offstage or from platforms.

Anyways I did watch all your match but then I had to go and do something and now I'm too lazy to critique , but I'll give a full critique on your second one another time

 

[Rizen]

Cruel Brawl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvSj19o54w