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It's nothing like when they put Miis in Mario Kart. The character you choose in Mario Kart has very little impact on the way you play the game outside of the weight of your kart. Characters in SSB aren't simply an avatar you put in the driver's seat, they're an entire unique playstyle. The only people who play as Miis online will be the people who like how Miis play - just as it is for every other character.
Yes but a lot of people will want to play Mii, regardless of how their playstyle works, because they're playing as themselves. I can basically guarantee that Mii will have by far the most mains of any character in SSB4.
Why's that? Overall, I think the feeling towards (even the idea of) Miis in SSB ranges from indifferent to vehement opposition. I don't think playing as "yourself" is enough to encourage someone to play a character they don't like, especially in a series with such a variety of iconic characters.
I agree and disagree with you. I agree with you on the fact that Miis aren't a very "popular" character, which means not many people would look at the roster and say, "I want to play as Mii!" However I do believe that if Wii Fit Trainer can get in the game, the Miis should have ever right to. If you say that the Wii Fit Trainer is an "Iconic" character then you're sadly mistaken.
Okay...
I wasn't suggesting for a second that Miis aren't iconic enough for a place on the roster. My point was that there's no reason people would be drawn en masse towards Miis when they're competing with so many other iconic characters, especially since characters in SSB are more than just a face in a kart like in Mario Kart.
I'm confused to what your point is. Your saying WFT is an iconic character, so she would make sense as a playable character. However that is beside the point because your stating that the Mii shouldn't be playable because they aren't popular enough. That makes little to no sense, Miis are by far more popular than the WFT. The WFT is a singular "Joke" character that is neat to watch and play as, but Miis are very important to Nintendo. Even Old People know what your "Mii" is if they ever owned a Wii before, but they probably don't know who the WFT is.
You are indeed getting a little mixed up here. I'm certain that Spectator is indifferent about the possibility of Miis being playable. He is definitely not arguing that Miis aren't well known enough.
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is right, my position on whether Miis should or shouldn't be in SSB4 is basically one of indifference, although I absolutely think they're possible. I said that I don't think Miis are a popular choice for a newcomer among Smash fans, but that has no bearing on how likely or appropriate I think they are.
My confusion is that whether you are saying that WFT is a character that many people want to play as or not. Because I say no, but I do think she is a good addition to the roster. No one is going to buy the game and think "Oh, Wii Fit Trainer is in this game! I'm totally going to play it now!" I would say more people would want to play as their Miis over Wii Fit Trainer because Miis are inherently more iconic than the WFT. That is my point.@
That isn't what we were talking about, anyway. We were talking about whether or not people would be drawn to Miis online in the same way they are in Mario Kart. I suggested they wouldn't be, because choosing a character in Smash has a much bigger impact on how you play the game than it does in Mario Kart.
... at the risk of going off on yet another tangent, WFT isn't a "joke" character in the same sense as joke character in other fighting game series. She's a legitimate addition when you take into account how significant her series is to Nintendo as well as the unique properties she has to offer SSB. "Joke" characters aren't really something that Smash goes in for.
I do know a couple of people that wanted to buy the game just because of Wii Fit Trainer though. Miis might be inherently more iconic, but I feel as though the implementation would be flawed, antithetical to what Miis represent per se.
Same; I don't really feel as though I would ever WANT to play as a Mii, but I would probably do it anyways. I actually like my Mii, it looks better than all of the repugnant Miis on Miiverse.
No, I didn't say that either. I'm making a pretty clear distinction between "iconic" and "popular". That's not even really that relevant to what we were talking about; yes people might prefer to play as Miis over WFT, but are they going to choose Miis over Link, Donkey Kong, Mega Man, Kirby, Little Mac etc? Some will, of course, but I don't think they'll be particularly favored like they are in Mario Kart.
Why would Sakurai risk a picture with the Mii in the background? That seems negligent.Don't know if someone has noticed this yet, but I'm just going to leave these here. When we first see the Find Mii stage in the Nintendo Direct, there is a Mii with a yellow shirt in the cage.
It quickly changes to another view of the stage, and now the Mii has a blue shirt.
Later, in a daily pic, we see the cage empty.
The dragon hasn't been defeated, so the Mii shouldn't be freed yet. Why is the Mii absent from the cage? Perhaps the playable Mii is currently on the stage in the daily pic, so the background Mii has been swapped out ala Toon Link. The coloured shirts also seem to suggest that the Mii in the cage is YOUR Mii, so why would it be empty? Also, the Find Mii stage has its own crown logo, which may be Mii's logo, and he would take some moves from Find Mii.
It just seems strange that the cage is empty. There could be many reasons.
I'm just sort of meh about Miis now, used to hate 'em, but I've come around to the idea bit, mostly because I want the Gematsu leak to be true so I can get my Shulk... lol. As long as you can report offensive Miis, it's ok. I might play as Mii a bit, but wouldn't main him.
What is an "offensive" Mii even defined as? What if the person actually resembles Hitler? It is possible.
As in a person made a d**k on their Mii's face.
I have never even seen one of those, after a Google search, I have only ever really seen that one nose being used in two examples. But whatever, I don't feel as though it is going to be a real problem.
Probably saving it for the Mii reveal.
I suppose people have too much time on their hands. Sakurai already confirmed a reporting system though, didn't he? I feel as though the option to report Miis would be there by default.
I wish they saved the Bowling Ball and Boxing Gloves for Mii. But I can't see them having a really unique move-set. It seems like it would be easier to just give them something generic that everyone could appreciate.
Sakurai wants unique fighters, though, and compared to Villager at least Mii has been in combat. Maybe he could use his sword or magic from Find Mii.
I would be interested in that; I do not know why I don't even want Miis. I actually like my Mii and I feel as though Jesus should be represented in Smash. So realistically, Miis aren't even that bad.
To be fair, this is a Japanese video game so Hitler probably wouldn't be treated as offensive. If anything, a Mii that resembles Harry Truman would probably get bamned before anything else
I find it highly unlikely that the Miis will have the Find Mii symbol as their own, and supercopper64 unknowingly touched on why. The Find Mii universe is only one small subset of the Miis very large universe, so limiting them to that one game through their symbol makes no sense. But there's something else. The Find Mii stage is almost certainly a 3DS exclusive stage, meaning that if the Miis used its symbol, it would lose all meaning in the Wii U version.
That's a pretty dumb thing to say, I don't think modern Japan (or any of the former Axis powers) holds the same mentality as its WWII equivalent. If anything, countries like Germany and Austria treat any reference to Hitler or Nazism much more seriously than we do.To be fair, this is a Japanese video game so Hitler probably wouldn't be treated as offensive. If anything, a Mii that resembles Harry Truman would probably get bamned before anything else
I think that works, but only to a degree. Stages like Pilotwings, which Miis have been a part of, but weren't central to (the series existed long before the Miis did), can have their own symbol separate from the Miis. But with a stage like Find Mii, which is entirely Mii focused, you'd think that it, of all stages, would have a symbol the Miis could use as well. Yet it doesn't. On top of that, there hasn't been that many Mii stages revealed so far. There's been the Pilotwings stage on the Wii U (which doesn't really tie into the Miis that much), and the Find Mii and Tomodachi stages on the 3DS. I don't think that's so many that lumping them under one symbol would be an issue.
You might be surprised, as I was, to find out that even today the Japanese are widely stuck in their WWII mentality. Indeed very much unlike Germany, which is desperately trying to distance itself from its Nazi past. The Japanese, and this much is just speculation, may view Hitler much in the same way we view Stalin, just a bygone dictator whose atrocities and mass-muders are ignored because we were allied with him, while the atrocities of the enemy are the focus of the cirriculum,
I think the problem with the Icon argument. Is that it's only one against the numerous reasons why Miis could be playable. They're by far the most successful series in the Wii era, they'd attract the casual crowd that enjoys mainly the Mii games resulting in more sales of the game, they are Nintendo icons whether we like to admit it or not, and the Miis still have Tomodachi Life's release in June and E3 as their chances to be revealed. If they're not revealed as playable at either June 6th or anywhere during E3 Suddenly Mii's chances have dropped considerably.
