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The Mega Man in SSB Wii-U and 3DS Discussion Thread

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At least it will all be worth it if he's finally confirmed.

In other news, I'm still playing through Mega Man 2 on my 3DS at the moment. I haven't had much time to play it, but it's a really good game. That being said, I definitely think Mega Man's Down B should be the Leaf Shield, since it would fit quite well. That is, if he has preset RM specials.
Yeah, that would be really cool. Granted any of the shield weapons can be implemented into Megaman's Down-B. Now that I think of it, What other moves robot master weapons could be implemented well into his moveset? I can see the Flame Sword, Charge Kick, Thunder Claw, Metal Blade, Ice Slasher, and maybe even the Mega Ball being put to good use.
 

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For Down B´s I can see several.

Guts Arm (would sort of work like Peach's Down B, except with boulders)
Quick Boomerang
Bubble Lead (he drops it on the ground anyway)
Top Spin (on ground he would short hop to do it)
Snake lead (like Bubble Man's)
(I'm almost at a blank of MM4 and MM5 weapons)
Flame Shot (again, fires at the ground... then again, could be an intersting Dsmash)
Power Ball
Concrete Shot (fires at ground and creates a block of cement)
Astro Vision (creates a clone that keeps firing astral bullets)
Chill Spike (the shot can freeze, the spike damages)
 

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Man, now that I really think about it, Mega Man is probably one of the hardest characters to pick a static moveset for! That's one reason I support a power-stealing B move, but man! So much potential for moves from the blue dude!
 

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Man, now that I really think about it, Mega Man is probably one of the hardest characters to pick a static moveset for! That's one reason I support a power-stealing B move, but man! So much potential for moves from the blue dude!

I agree. While I'm not completely opposed to RM weapons (it will be nostalgia inducing most likely), I stand on the side of him using MEGA moves only, with power stealing (and switching).

But yeah, I can go either way. Just as long as he's there!
 
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So I decided to post this from SmashChu's thread:
I believe that Mega Man is one of the very few third-parties worthy of consideration for a guest slot and I'd argue that he is the best choice out there.

Mega Man, if included, would be not only a more popular addition than Snake but also potentially as popular as Sonic's addition was in Brawl. Now being possibly as popular as Sonic's addition was in Brawl may sound crazy given how high of a bar he set for third-parties (although it could be argued that Snake set the standard), but it is achievable.

Let's consider the two inclusions first; Snake and Sonic. Both were extremely well-received additions that were highly popular with the Smash community, so much so that Sakurai has commented positively on their inclusions. However, their inclusions were not perfect as they came with issues (aside from Sakurai infamously commenting on the incredible difficulties of adding third-parties).

It should go without saying that Snake was added because Kojima practically begged for Snake's inclusion in Melee and he was the one third-party that was always meant to be in the game. Like said in the OP, it was obvious that Snake was treated as that one special addition and it's really the special treatment Snake got that made him so popular within the Smash community. However, despite his inclusion generally being a success, there were inevitably issues with his inclusion. The first thing is really the type of games he comes from. Snake comes from a world that is practically alien to the Nintendo world; a realistic stealth genre. He also faced the issues of not being able to use his guns in the game as a rule from Sakurai. As such, it's obvious why including Snake was an excruciating progress; because putting Snake in a relatively cartoonish platform-fighting game is something that can easily ruin his character. It was so difficult that Snake required disjointed box in order to fit in. The fact that Snake even got to be in Brawl is a miracle (although we could say that the roster in general is a miracle). Another thing is that while a lot of people loved him, he also faced a lot of objections. There's the inevitable dissenters of third-parties, but another thing to take into consideration is that Snake is generally synonymous with Sony platforms. When people think of Snake, most don't think of the sub-par NES Metal Gears port, the Twin Snake Gamecube remake or the 3DS Snake's Eaters remake, they think of the Metal Gear Solid games on the PSX, PS2 and PS3. Now don't get me wrong here, Nintendo history isn't relevant to a character's chance (which is why I consider the news of Tales of Symphonia remake going to the PS3 irrelevant to Smash), but it's undeniable that a large part of the objection for Snake has to do with him being mostly well-known for his non-Nintendo games.

Sonic was obviously included because of him being by far the most wanted character. When he was included, the gaming community pretty much exploded that Sonic was finally in. Sonic was one of the very most popular characters in the game and even more popular than Snake was. He along with Snake set the bar for third-parties exceptionally high. Yet like Snake, Sonic's inclusion wasn't perfect either. What kept Sonic from being the "perfect" addition was the fact that he was added so late to the game. Now it is true that Sonic was the most wanted guest before E3 2006, but the fact remains that Sonic simply was never going to be popular enough to add in. Before E3 2006, Sonic wasn't even in the Top 10 (it really doesn't matter that Sonic's popularity wasn't at it's full potential due to us not knowing that third-parties are possible, the fact remains that Sonic's popularity wasn't enough to get him in at the time). When Sakurai already struck a deal with Snake, what would make people believe that he would go through a painstaking process to add a guest character that failed to break into the Top 10 and didn't have companies trying to get him in? E3 2006 with Snake's reveal changed all that. Sonic became by far the most wanted character and the rest is history. However, the result of Sonic being a late addition is shown as he received much less work on him, which is shown by Sonic having practically no role in SSE and that there were no original remixes for Sonic (whereas Metal Gear had some remixes done specifically for the game). There were also a ton of criticism in regards to Sonic's move set being bland. All of these were a result of Sonic being added at literally at the last minute and Sonic's inclusion, while a fantastic move, could be significantly improved upon. It's for this reason why I believe that giving Sonic the Snake treatment could merit his return because his inclusion wouldn't be stale then.

Over five years since Brawl's release and we are at the cusp of Smash 4's unveil. Guest are now accepted by almost everyone in the community and most third-parties supporters are rallying for Mega Man's inclusions. Mega Man to this date looks to be likely the most wanted newcomer for this game worldwide (Shortie's poll indicates that Mega Man beats every other potential newcomer whereas ChronoBound's observation indicates Mega Man as probably the most wanted newcomer in Japan). There are reasons to believe why Mega Man might get in despite the odds.

The first thing to consider is the fitting in issues. Snake's inclusion was especially hard because of the realistic stealth-genre he was placed into; which would stick out like a sore thumb if placed with other Nintendo series (and he did despite his inclusion in Brawl being successful). Mega Man fits much better within Nintendo's world than Snake does since his series is a cartoonish action-platform game; much like how Smash is a platform-fighting game. Mega Man could be placed with other Nintendo series and it'd be like he fits right in. Sonic had to deal with being added literally at the last minute, so they had relatively little time to implement Sonic. Mega Man, if included, would be added much earlier (and perhaps even from the start), giving Sakurai and the team much more time to implement Mega Man. While Mega Man would still remain an extremely difficult addition by third-party nature, adding him early on would make it easier on Sakurai than Snake or Sonic would.

Another thing to consider is that if Mega Man is going to reach the same caliber of popularity as Snake and (more importantly) Sonic in Smash, Mega Man is going to need the Snake treatment. In other words, like Sakurai did with Snake, he will have to do as much as he can to make Mega Man's inclusion worth it. Including Mega Man as a last-minute character would end up having the "diminishing marginal utility effect" that you expressed as a concern in your essay on why you doubted third-parties but planning Mega Man from the start and giving him the Snake treatment can potentially rectify that. It would likely avoid the bland move set complaints that plague Sonic and Mega Man's much more relatively orthodox would go over better than Snake (and likely avoid disjointed hitbox as well if done right).

Finally, and this is the reason why Mega Man is even being discussed as a candidate, his massive popularity. While it is not on the same level as Sonic, Mega Man still performs well. Being likely the most wanted newcomer does help and is a big advantage other every other third-party character. Another thing to consider is that not only is he one of the most wanted characters but also one of the longest-running characters. Sakurai himself has noted Mega Man's popularity all the way back to pre-Melee time when Sakurai commented on Mega Man receiving a lot of requests overseas. What this means is that Mega Man has been requested for over a decade; before even Sonic became a popular guest request. No other third-party character can claim being highly requested nowadays that was popular pre-Melee. As a matter of fact, Ridley is the only character that was popular pre-Melee that is highly popular today. Also take into account the past few years, which to put it mildly, have been extremely difficult times for the Blue Bomber. Of course these events definitely don't help Mega Man's chances, but these past few years really shows how strong of a character Mega Man is. With most fan base, they would have toppled and collapsed with people moving on to support other characters, but the opposite effect has taken for Mega Man. The support for Mega Man has instead increased. Supporters want Mega Man in not only because of Mega Man's character, but also because they want assurance that the franchise will continue and not go into obscurity. The fire that lit up the support of Mega Man for almost all of it's fans have not been extinguished, but rather burn even more intensely with even more joining in. Along with Mega Man's iconic status, Mega Man is indeed a strong character, even for the incredibly high guest standard.

Mega Man, if in, would be one of the biggest additions to the game. He is undoubtedly the biggest third-party left with a realistic shot of getting in and he'd make a bigger addition than any potential newcomer (only Mewtwo would end up being a bigger addition). As a character, Mega Man is indeed strong. Probably the most wanted newcomer and being wanted ever since pre-Melee, being a video game icon and likely being an easier fit than Snake and Sonic can make Mega Man as popular of an addition as Sonic and Snake were if given the same treatment Snake was.

Whenever or not Mega Man gets in is a different story. Like every third-party, Mega Man has his negatives and there's a good chance he won't get in. However, when it comes to new third-party additions, there is no one else that compares to Mega Man (although that's not to say he's the only good choice, just the best) and I do believe there is a very real chance that he gets added. I'm very curious about what happens with guests for the next game, but Sakurai could pick pretty much any possible options that doesn't force Pac-Man upon us (in which case it'd be better to get rid of guests all together) and he'd do a good job (Mega Man, Layton and a Tales rep I feel would all make solid additions, although I only really care about Mega Man).
Hope you enjoy reading this because it's a long one.

Now I need to go to bed, summer school starts tomorrow.
 
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Ouch, you too huh? Granted, once I'm done with this Summer Semester I'm officially a college graduate, but blah.
Currently I have College Algebra and will probably take Trignometry as well. I was kind of shocked at first to figure out that homework were optional and not graded, but considering that college weigh more on individual grades (I remember that my biology college class had only five grades; all of them tests), I'm not that surprised anymore.
Man, now that I really think about it, Mega Man is probably one of the hardest characters to pick a static moveset for! That's one reason I support a power-stealing B move, but man! So much potential for moves from the blue dude!
This. I see no realistic scenario that Mega Man isn't a completely unique character. Because of how much he has to pull from and the many ways Mega Man could be implemented, guessing is like a crapshoot and really, that's a good thing.
 

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I dunno, I'm not too big on Megaman taking other characters moves. I feel that has been done rather well with Kirby as it is. Granted, if they tried hard enough, Megaman could have a moveset without the use of any Robot Master power-ups he gets in the game. But I feel that those powers represent him rather well character-wise anyway. And if he uses Robot Master power-ups, I feel that he can probably take least one at move from each of the 10 main Megaman games(Possibly from Megaman and Bass as well). While most his normal attacks could possibly be inspired from Marvel vs Capcom, to a degree anyway. Its not like he has to completely copy that particular moveset mind you.
 

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Even though I have not played a single one of his games, I must say the thought of Mega Man in Smash Bros has started to grow on me.

Maybe I will look for some old Mega Man games for the Wii Virtual Console.

I'd suggest Mega Man X or Mega Man 2. The original is a bit too cheap by today's standards.
 

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Guys, on taht site, the date is the same as the Smash Wii U and 3DS reveal!!!
Man, now that I really think about it, Mega Man is probably one of the hardest characters to pick a static moveset for! That's one reason I support a power-stealing B move, but man! So much potential for moves from the blue dude!
I actually makes it simpler because almost all of his weapon or move choices could literally not suck. I'm not sure how many characters you could say that for.
I'd suggest Mega Man X or Mega Man 2. The original is a bit too cheap by today's standards.
Honestly, I think the original has held up incredible well, and most if not all of the weapons still feel really rewarding and awesome to use. Also, I would recommend Mega Man 3.
 

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I want this to be true so badly. Mega Man would be awesome in Smash, and this would definitely be the best way to celebrate the 30th Anniversary for Capcom.
 

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It would certainly be superb if that did happen
Not just is Mega Man in Smash being revealed possible, but a Mega Man-related announcement possible, such as Mega Man 11, X 9, Zero 4, or a new Mega Man game or franchise.

Really, anything that announces Mega Man in something new is a good move that we have to appreciate at this point.
 

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While I Don't want his moveset to be full of Robot master Weapon, I think it would be to have some of his attacks being based on close combat ones like Break Dash, Charge Kick and Top Spin,
 
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Not just is Mega Man in Smash being revealed possible, but a Mega Man-related announcement possible, such as Mega Man 11, X 9, Zero 4, or a new Mega Man game or franchise.

Really, anything that announces Mega Man in something new is a good move that we have to appreciate at this point.
I'm really hoping that the June 11th correlation isn't just a coincidence. Capcom did state they had big plans at E3 this year and hopefully Mega Man has some involvement in it.
 

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I would laugh hard if they reveal a bunch of Mega Man games and one of them is starring the SFXT version of Bad Box Art Mega Man.
 

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Yes.

I would laugh hard if they reveal a bunch of Mega Man games and one of them is starring the SFXT version of Bad Box Art Mega Man.
...oh lord. Okay, maybe, but not in Smash. They've trolled enough with Megaman and Darkstalkers last gen. No Darkstalkers because a remake that wasn't even ADVERTISED AND SOLD ON PSN AND XBLA DETERMINES THE SERIES SURVIVAL? NOT EVEN PC? And no Jon Talbain and Megaman? The two most requested characters for MvC3? Gah.

...okay maybe this isn't the right place but the last thing I want to see is more trolling.
 

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...oh lord. Okay, maybe, but not in Smash. They've trolled enough with Megaman and Darkstalkers last gen. No Darkstalkers because a remake that wasn't even ADVERTISED AND SOLD ON PSN AND XBLA DETERMINES THE SERIES SURVIVAL? NOT EVEN PC? And no Jon Talbain and Megaman? The two most requested characters for MvC3? Gah.

...okay maybe this isn't the right place but the last thing I want to see is more trolling.
I did say it would be one of many games. :laugh:

Not talking about him in Smash. :laugh:
 

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I'm really hoping that the June 11th correlation isn't just a coincidence. Capcom did state they had big plans at E3 this year and hopefully Mega Man has some involvement in it.
Honestly, if it's not Mega Man in smash, at least give us something. If Capcom doesn't, they might as well just either make a new Mega Man team now or completely sell all the Mega Man-related IP's and library to the highest bidder (probably either Nintendo or Sony IMO). Seriously, Capcom currently has no plans for one of its' hugest stars. Could you imagine if Nintendo didn't have plans for say Luigi or Donkey Kong, including not putting them in Mario party/sports titles=???

But yeah, it could be a coincidence, but it goes back to the fact that Capcom knows that there's a whole legion of Mega Man and Smash fans that see the perfect marriage of Mega Man and Smash Bros. as a perfectly possible and beautiful thing that should happen. Now that Capcom is aware of it, Nintendo is aware of it, and we know at least Capcom and probably Nintendo are aware of it, Capcom ought to have stepped up to the plate, or else they will have set back this extremely troubled IP that 2 years ago seemed destined to reach a new golden era.

Mega Man being playable in Smash is a great way of "reinventing" Mega Man, and promoting his "return" to gamers in a new, yet classic form.
 

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If the final smash comes back, it would be awesome, at least to me. I would like to see Megaman in ssb4, just like many others, and I think his final smash would be his copy ability. With this, he copies a player's final smash, sorta like in the MM games. The attacks will be based on the robot powers, Rush powers, or Supercharged shots from the mega buster. The players that he can copy abilities from is limited to who is on stage. For example, Megaman jumps in the air with the orbs flying around him, copying an opponents final smash. Say Ike is on the stage. Megaman could use Sword Man's flame sword in Megaman 8, but use it like Ike would use the Great Aether. If Ness were on stage, MM could use Astroman's Astro Crush as the PK Starstorm. With Samus, he could have a supercharged mega buster. With Snake, he could use Grenademan's Flash Bomb. For Sonic, he could use Rush's jetpack form. For Zelda, i guess he could use the Gemini Laser? I would like to hear your opinions on this, what other robot powers he can use when using copy ability, and maybe even alternative final smash options.
 

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If the final smash comes back, it would be awesome, at least to me. I would like to see Megaman in ssb4, just like many others, and I think his final smash would be his copy ability. With this, he copies a player's final smash, sorta like in the MM games. The attacks will be based on the robot powers, Rush powers, or Supercharged shots from the mega buster. The players that he can copy abilities from is limited to who is on stage. For example, Megaman jumps in the air with the orbs flying around him, copying an opponents final smash. Say Ike is on the stage. Megaman could use Sword Man's flame sword in Megaman 8, but use it like Ike would use the Great Aether. If Ness were on stage, MM could use Astroman's Astro Crush as the PK Starstorm. With Samus, he could have a supercharged mega buster. With Snake, he could use Grenademan's Flash Bomb. For Sonic, he could use Rush's jetpack form. For Zelda, i guess he could use the Gemini Laser? I would like to hear your opinions on this, what other robot powers he can use when using copy ability, and maybe even alternative final smash options.
Copying a basic special attack would work out much better in the long run. If Final Smashes were copied, it'd be a bit more of a hassle to go through most likely. Though if you ask me, Megaman doesn't need a copy ability in Smash. He has enough weapons from his own games to make an interesting moveset. That and he'd be stepping on Kirby's territory.
 

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I'm really hoping that the June 11th correlation isn't just a coincidence. Capcom did state they had big plans at E3 this year and hopefully Mega Man has some involvement in it.
Putting their most well-known character in the two biggest crossover/fighting game ever = one heck of a party (game).

C'mon Capcom... do the right thing. Don't try to be EA or Activision anymore; be the Capcom that got stuff done, and made great and ground-breaking decisions.
 

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@supersmashbrosfan: Any confirmation of Megaman in Smash Bros 4?
Four days left and need a confiramtion.

No, Mega Man hasn't been confirmed for Smash Bros. 4.
And, no, Mega Man never belonged to Nintendo. He has always been a Capcom character.
But your games had belonged to the consoles of Nintendo.(NES, SNES, GBA, GBC)
Except Megaman Legends series.

Anyway, i don't think that Megaman attacks will be based in Robot Master abilities.
The Megaman's final smash must be badass, not like Marvel vs. Capcom.

And Sakurai had visited Keiji Inafune?
 

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But your games had belonged to the consoles of Nintendo.(NES, SNES, GBA, GBC)
Except Megaman Legends series.
Being on a Nintendo console isn't the same as being a Nintendo character, however, it is a requisite for non-Nintendo characters to be eligible for Smash Bros.
 

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So I'm going to be a bit off-topic here for a second. But has anyone played the Dreamcast game Cannon Spike? I never owned a Dreamcast so I never played it myself but its an arcade shooter with Megaman and a bunch of other Capcom characters in it.

Here's what the game looks like, with Megaman being used no less.

@Roberto zampari, I'm pretty sure the first MegaMan Legends game was released on the N64 as well. They even renamed it Megaman 64. Then there's Tatsunoko V.S. Capcom, where he's one of the three playable Megaman characters.
 

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So I'm going to be a bit off-topic here for a second. But has anyone played the Dreamcast game Cannon Spike? I never owned a Dreamcast so I never played it myself but its an arcade shooter with Megaman and a bunch of other Capcom characters in it.
I have. It's pretty fun. It also has Cammy, Charlie, B.B. Hood, and Arthur (from G&G) in it. I think there was someone from Capcoms AvP game in it as well.
 

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I have. It's pretty fun. It also has Cammy, Charlie, B.B. Hood, and Arthur (from G&G) in it. I think there was someone from Capcoms AvP game in it as well.
Yeah, Arthur definitely got taller, to say the least. But that armor of his in that game does look sick though.
 
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